iOS 8, Your Thoughts?

[A895]

XCode Apples Dev tool shows an emulator for resizable iPhone. A bigger 4.7" iPhone is all but confirmed.

I love iOS 8. You guys do realize handoffs won't just be Apple only apps but any app that implements that API right?

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What? I know a bigger screen is confirmed. He was talking about a 6 inch screen.

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[anon5664829]

What? I know a bigger screen is confirmed. He was talking about a 6 inch screen.

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Oh sorry my bad.

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[cliffy223]

Just to be clear, it's ONLY the SMS text messages (sent to your mobile number) that don't sync across devices. Messages sent through the Hangouts system are synced across all of your devices. As far as I know, it's the same with iMessage, at least for now.

From the forums I have read and from using my wifi Nexus 7 Hangouts does not sync sms or mms message to wifi devices like tablets. But if I am wrong (and would really like to be wrong) then please show me how to get that working b/c that is my favorite feature from iOS.

 

[A895]

From the forums I have read and from using my wifi Nexus 7 Hangouts does not sync sms or mms message to wifi devices like tablets. But if I am wrong (and would really like to be wrong) then please show me how to get that working b/c that is my favorite feature from iOS.

SMS and MMS can't be sent through Hangouts yet.

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[z33dev33l]

Every OS has flaws but Android has less than the others this stage in the game. The only thing I can think of is inconsistency with devices and updates but other than that we reached the point where Android is just as good or better than other OS's.

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I would, to a very strong extent, disagree with that. It's openness allows more room for error and in the form of malware, lag, fragmentation, etc. the issue is still very present despite the willingness to disavow it on these forums. It has many more benefits but with those comes many work weaknesses. A bit of give, a bit of take. I actually don't hate the OS despite hating Google.

 

[A895]

I would, to a very strong extent, disagree with that. It's openness allows more room for error and in the form of malware

Such an overblown issue I am flabbergasted you brought it up.

lag

Gone since KitKat

fragmentation

Now you are just saying stuff. This is not a problem with the OS, it's a problem with updates which includes more than just Google.

etc. the issue is still very present despite the willingness to disavow it on these forums

Disavowed? It keeps being brought up by people like you and other who want to say something bad about Android.

It has many more benefits but with those comes many work weaknesses. A bit of give, a bit of take. I actually don't hate the OS despite hating Google.

No it does not have many weaknesses. Windows Phone has many weaknesses, BlackBerry 10 has many weaknesses, but Android? It is dishonest to say there is many problems. Or just wanting to spread propaganda or nonsense or whatever you want to call it.

 

[z33dev33l]

Such an overblown issue I am flabbergasted you brought it up.

Over 65,000 apps in the play store last year? One of which was downloaded several million times (See BadNews malware) Oh, yeah, totally negligible to have something like that on your play store.

Gone since KitKat

I've been around Android since the Dream and let me tell you about how it's gone.

1.6 most of the lag is gone
2.1 It only lags on text walls
2.3 The lag is totally gone
3.0 You're way too picky if you complain about that lag.
4.0 Project Butter is going to fix all of our lag problems
4.1 The lag is totally gone thanks to project butter. Oh, except on every device that's not quad core
4.2 Google tells me it's gone... Again... Yup, must be gone.

The lag issue is still present, it has just drastically improved from it's earlier state so the lag that you may have seen before in your OS seems all but dissipated because in relation to how choppy it was before, it is.

Now you are just saying stuff. This is not a problem with the OS, it's a problem with updates which includes more than just Google.

Sorry, can't hear you over the fact that just under 9 percent of the devices of your OS of choice are on this lag free update you so vehemently celebrate. Gotta love an open source OS where the OEMs can abandon you immediately. I remember crack flashing my G1 all the way up to 4.1. I had several other devices but that one was likely the most impressive Android phone to date.

Disavowed? It keeps being brought up by people like you and other who want to say something bad about Android.

I love how any time anyone does not praise the almighty Lloyd they are treated as a personal attack. I want Android to improve to the point that I can use it because I love open source. I do. I adore it. I just don't see it to be a viable option for me in it's current state as it's not the best for a daily driver. I have two extra Android phones that I toy with. I want it to improve but in it's current state, it's not pleasant in terms of user experience and that's what matters to me for a daily driver.

No it does not have many weaknesses. Windows Phone has many weaknesses, BlackBerry 10 has many weaknesses, but Android? It is dishonest to say there is many problems. Or just wanting to spread propaganda or nonsense or whatever you want to call it.

Windows Phone has areas in which it can improve. The features it does have are well organized, well-maintained and work in a clear and concise manner that leaves little to confusion. It has room to grow. Outside of, "My phone has this and Windows Phone doesn't" You'd be hard pressed to find any day to day flaws.

Trust me, I was the biggest fandroid. I can show you over 11,000 posts on XDA of roms I developed, questions I asked, fighting the iSheep, everything that were mostly in favor of Android. I still use it as a toy but for a daily driver, it's not the best option.

 

[anon5664829]

Swift has been in the works for 4 years.

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[A895]

Over 65,000 apps in the play store last year? One of which was downloaded several million times (See BadNews malware) Oh, yeah, totally negligible to have something like that on your play store.

From ArsTechnica:

"You can't even say Google was at fault in this because Google very clearly scrutinized all these apps when they want in," Marc Rogers, principal security researcher for Lookout, told Ars. "But these guys were cunning enough to sit there for a couple of months doing absolutely nothing and then they pushed out the malware."

Family of “BadNews” malware in Google Play downloaded up to 9 million times | Ars Technica

They put malware on apps already on the store that were doing nothing and put the malware on there. I can't fault anyone in that position because it was just people with intent to do something bad. At that this is only one example from 2013. Anything more recent?

I've been around Android since the Dream and let me tell you about how it's gone.

1.6 most of the lag is gone
2.1 It only lags on text walls
2.3 The lag is totally gone
3.0 You're way too picky if you complain about that lag.
4.0 Project Butter is going to fix all of our lag problems
4.1 The lag is totally gone thanks to project butter. Oh, except on every device that's not quad core
4.2 Google tells me it's gone... Again... Yup, must be gone.

The lag issue is still present, it has just drastically improved from it's earlier state so the lag that you may have seen before in your OS seems all but dissipated because in relation to how choppy it was before, it is.

I see you didn't mention KitKat. Smells fishy to me.

Sorry, can't hear you over the fact that just under 9 percent of the devices of your OS of choice are on this lag free update you so vehemently celebrate. Gotta love an open source OS where the OEMs can abandon you immediately. I remember crack flashing my G1 all the way up to 4.1. I had several other devices but that one was likely the most impressive Android phone to date.

Android 4.4 KitKat: 13.6 percent, up from 8.5 percent at the beginning of May.
Source is the front page of the site you are trolling on:
Latest Android platform version numbers show KitKat on the rise, Honeycomb finally gone | Android Central

I gotta love an OS that gives me choice through and through (and is on more devices Windows Phone will probably ever be on) and is not restricted and buggy as Windows Phone. God I really felt for the WP fans going through DPWP8.1 so many horror stories. At that we forget average consumers aren't tech heads, they don't care about updates.

I love how any time anyone does not praise the almighty Lloyd they are treated as a personal attack. I want Android to improve to the point that I can use it because I love open source. I do. I adore it. I just don't see it to be a viable option for me in it's current state as it's not the best for a daily driver. I have two extra Android phones that I toy with. I want it to improve but in it's current state, it's not pleasant in terms of user experience and that's what matters to me for a daily driver.

How is Windows Phone better? Besides your personal choice in UX/UI it is inferior to Android. That is not subjective either. You just now get features Android had for years and even then iOS managed to move past Windows Phone in terms of seamless integration in mobile and desktop. iOS has more ability and features than WP now, think on that.

Windows Phone has areas in which it can improve. The features it does have are well organized, well-maintained and work in a clear and concise manner that leaves little to confusion. It has room to grow. Outside of, "My phone has this and Windows Phone doesn't" You'd be hard pressed to find any day to day flaws.

Trust me, I was the biggest fandroid. I can show you over 11,000 posts on XDA of roms I developed, questions I asked, fighting the iSheep, everything that were mostly in favor of Android. I still use it as a toy but for a daily driver, it's not the best option.

Not a daily driver option for YOU. For the millions of other Android users like me, Android is just fine.

 

[z33dev33l]

From ArsTechnica:

"You can't even say Google was at fault in this because Google very clearly scrutinized all these apps when they want in," Marc Rogers, principal security researcher for Lookout, told Ars. "But these guys were cunning enough to sit there for a couple of months doing absolutely nothing and then they pushed out the malware."

Family of ?€œBadNews?€? malware in Google Play downloaded up to 9 million times | Ars Technica

They put malware on apps already on the store that were doing nothing and put the malware on there. I can't fault anyone in that position because it was just people with intent to do something bad. At that this is only one example from 2013. Anything more recent?

They generally don't run these numbers til later in the year or even the beginning of next year so they can get an accurate representation of the whole year. In 2013 it was at 42,000. It's been constantly an upward movement. 11,000 in 2011. 26,000 in 2012, 42,000 in 2014. That's apps on the play store infected with malware mind you. Here's one of many sources.

Computerworld India News | Malware-infected Android Apps Spike in the Google Play Store | Computerworld.in

I see you didn't mention KitKat. Smells fishy to me.

I'm sorry, that was like three AM or so.

4.4.2: They're finally making progress on the lag! It must be gone now!

Android 4.4 KitKat: 13.6 percent, up from 8.5 percent at the beginning of May.
Source is the front page of the site you are trolling on:
Latest Android platform version numbers show KitKat on the rise, Honeycomb finally gone | Android Central

Not trolling. I just don't sip on the kool aid of any OS. I will point out the flaws of each of them and actually have on several occasions.

I gotta love an OS that gives me choice through and through (and is on more devices Windows Phone will probably ever be on) and is not restricted and buggy as Windows Phone. God I really felt for the WP fans going through DPWP8.1 so many horror stories. At that we forget average consumers aren't tech heads, they don't care about updates.

Windows Phone, being a niche market, actually does have tons of people who very clearly care about updates. Otherwise, we wouldn't have 8 percent of users on the developer preview that requires extra steps and some knowledge to install. People don't care about Android updates because they don't get them. I did laugh in the fact that you called Windows Phone buggy though. Sure, with a developer preview there were a few minor hiccups, that's a risk that you take installing a developer preview. Outside of that, you won't find a more stable or secure OS.

How is Windows Phone better? Besides your personal choice in UX/UI it is inferior to Android. That is not subjective either. You just now get features Android had for years and even then iOS managed to move past Windows Phone in terms of seamless integration in mobile and desktop. iOS has more ability and features than WP now, think on that.

I'm just going to reuse this one:

Sure, happy to. It's the second mobile OS behind MeeGo to take into account the directions in which the human thumb generally flicks offering a more comfortable experience.
It offers a voice integration as deep as Google Now without the data sharing. All information Cortana learns is kept locally on the phone but it's just as deep and infinitely more personable with Google Now being a simply robotic question and answer as opposed to the more personal and friendly Cortana.
It has the fastest keyboard though for the sake of the inability to find the link I'm after, I'll say fastest stock keyboard with better accuracy and predictions than any other beating the next stock keyboard down by almost a full 4 seconds in the completion of the sentence.
The User Interface is designed to keep you constantly informed. When I unlock my phone, without leaving the home screen I have my most recent Facebook update, the current song I'm playing, a constantly cycling rotation of the latest news articles from WPCentral, the local weather, how far I am from home, all my basic notifications, all the signal, wifi and battery as they're presented across the top and tons of other minor things.
Sure, you could spend an hour downloading all the apps to do this in a less aesthetically appealing manner through widgets but aside from the Windows Phone Central tile, everything here came stock on the device. My screen is nowhere near as live as some people's and it still displays much more without looking cluttered.
Wifi sense is so much more useful than I ever thought possible, battery management is better than any other OS fresh out of the box
You're provided free truly offline maps and services, guaranteed updates (Even the $40 Lumia 520 is getting Cortana and everything)
Kids corner allows you to set up a completely separate device on your device for your kids to use when you don't want them getting into your info.
Xbox live integration is a huge plus for all the gamers

Then there's Nokia support but that's purely subjective. That said, for years people have been pining for a real Nokia Android device and not those budget clunkers meant to sway people in the direction of Windows Phone.

I could likely come up with more but that's off the top of my head.

Oh, and a real Glance background is pretty awesome too. It's adorable how Motorola tried to take the idea and claim it as their own but Nokia had it 5 years ago and have very much improved upon it since.

Not a daily driver option for YOU. For the millions of other Android users like me, Android is just fine.

Those people who don't care about updates which make up a much larger percentage of Android users, don't care about what OS they're on either. Does it instagram and Facebook? Works for them then. Android got big because it was the cheap alternative to the iPhone that could be had on every carrier.

 

[A895]

They generally don't run these numbers til later in the year or even the beginning of next year so they can get an accurate representation of the whole year. In 2013 it was at 42,000. It's been constantly an upward movement. 11,000 in 2011. 26,000 in 2012, 42,000 in 2014. That's apps on the play store infected with malware mind you. Here's one of many sources.

Computerworld India News | Malware-infected Android Apps Spike in the Google Play Store | Computerworld.in




I'm sorry, that was like three AM or so.

4.4.2: They're finally making progress on the lag! It must be gone now!





Not trolling. I just don't sip on the kool aid of any OS. I will point out the flaws of each of them and actually have on several occasions.



Windows Phone, being a niche market, actually does have tons of people who very clearly care about updates. Otherwise, we wouldn't have 8 percent of users on the developer preview that requires extra steps and some knowledge to install. People don't care about Android updates because they don't get them. I did laugh in the fact that you called Windows Phone buggy though. Sure, with a developer preview there were a few minor hiccups, that's a risk that you take installing a developer preview. Outside of that, you won't find a more stable or secure OS.



I'm just going to reuse this one:

Sure, happy to. It's the second mobile OS behind MeeGo to take into account the directions in which the human thumb generally flicks offering a more comfortable experience.
It offers a voice integration as deep as Google Now without the data sharing. All information Cortana learns is kept locally on the phone but it's just as deep and infinitely more personable with Google Now being a simply robotic question and answer as opposed to the more personal and friendly Cortana.
It has the fastest keyboard though for the sake of the inability to find the link I'm after, I'll say fastest stock keyboard with better accuracy and predictions than any other beating the next stock keyboard down by almost a full 4 seconds in the completion of the sentence.
The User Interface is designed to keep you constantly informed. When I unlock my phone, without leaving the home screen I have my most recent Facebook update, the current song I'm playing, a constantly cycling rotation of the latest news articles from WPCentral, the local weather, how far I am from home, all my basic notifications, all the signal, wifi and battery as they're presented across the top and tons of other minor things.
Sure, you could spend an hour downloading all the apps to do this in a less aesthetically appealing manner through widgets but aside from the Windows Phone Central tile, everything here came stock on the device. My screen is nowhere near as live as some people's and it still displays much more without looking cluttered.
Wifi sense is so much more useful than I ever thought possible, battery management is better than any other OS fresh out of the box
You're provided free truly offline maps and services, guaranteed updates (Even the $40 Lumia 520 is getting Cortana and everything)
Kids corner allows you to set up a completely separate device on your device for your kids to use when you don't want them getting into your info.
Xbox live integration is a huge plus for all the gamers

Then there's Nokia support but that's purely subjective. That said, for years people have been pining for a real Nokia Android device and not those budget clunkers meant to sway people in the direction of Windows Phone.

I could likely come up with more but that's off the top of my head.

Oh, and a real Glance background is pretty awesome too. It's adorable how Motorola tried to take the idea and claim it as their own but Nokia had it 5 years ago and have very much improved upon it since.





Those people who don't care about updates which make up a much larger percentage of Android users, don't care about what OS they're on either. Does it instagram and Facebook? Works for them then. Android got big because it was the cheap alternative to the iPhone that could be had on every carrier.

So....much....wrong....

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[z33dev33l]

So....much....wrong....

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Pretty sure aside from a few points I made on why WP is better which may be subjective to a degree those are all facts.

 

[A895]

Pretty sure aside from a few points I made on why WP is better which may be subjective to a degree those are all facts.

No they aren't. But I am not going to argue with someone who does not want to see something beyond their blinders. Let's get back on topic.

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[z33dev33l]

No they aren't. But I am not going to argue with someone who does not want to see something beyond their blinders. Let's get back on topic.

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I wish you could see how vehemently you're contradicting yourself. I'm open to all OSes and see them for their benefits and their flaws and choose the best for it's individual purpose based on as such. Right now, that may be iOS with iOS 8. Despite the UI that I'm not fond of, I might pick up the new iPhone when it drops with a bigger screen. The keyboard is the most important aspect of a phone in my eyes and with a phone getting all those specialty keyboards optimized specifically for it, the new iPhones are going to have insane benefits with little drawbacks.

I only ask that you take a step back and look at all the operating systems. There's absolutely nothing worse than a fanboy.

As to the rise of Android though, the reason it is as big as it is is that Apple only wanted their phone on what they felt were the premium carriers. For instance, in the US it was ATT. It was like that world wide. Android offered an alternative for all the other carriers and that's where it got it's start. Following that, Samsung released the Samsung Galaxy S series devices. These were the first, "Premium" android devices meant to compete with the iPhone in it's own markets and this is a huge part of the reason the iPhone had to broaden it's reach to stay relevant. Sammy ripped off the iPhone in many ways to do so as the courts will show you but ultimately, it worked.

 

[A895]

I wish you could see how vehemently you're contradicting yourself. I'm open to all OSes and see them for their benefits and their flaws and choose the best for it's individual purpose based on as such. Right now, that may be iOS with iOS 8. Despite the UI that I'm not fond of, I might pick up the new iPhone when it drops with a bigger screen. The keyboard is the most important aspect of a phone in my eyes and with a phone getting all those specialty keyboards optimized specifically for it, the new iPhones are going to have insane benefits with little drawbacks.

I only ask that you take a step back and look at all the operating systems. There's absolutely nothing worse than a fanboy.

As to the rise of Android though, the reason it is as big as it is is that Apple only wanted their phone on what they felt were the premium carriers. For instance, in the US it was ATT. It was like that world wide. Android offered an alternative for all the other carriers and that's where it got it's start. Following that, Samsung released the Samsung Galaxy S series devices. These were the first, "Premium" android devices meant to compete with the iPhone in it's own markets and this is a huge part of the reason the iPhone had to broaden it's reach to stay relevant. Sammy ripped off the iPhone in many ways to do so as the courts will show you but ultimately, it worked.

You are telling the history of Android to Android fans. We know how it went down, and ain't nothing going to change how it was. iOS 8 is a big positive change and in my eyes between the functionality of both Android KitKat and iOS 8, I can't see a place for Windows Phone. They have a different UI/UX but unless you have a certain taste for that sort of thing, there is nor reason to jump from a iPhone 5S or a LG G3 to a 1520/930/Icon. Microsoft fails to capitalize on their biggest strength, which is Xbox, so if they won't make their phone OS better, I have no reason to support them.

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[z33dev33l]

You are telling the history of Android to Android fans. We know how it went down, and ain't nothing going to change how it was. iOS 8 is a big positive change and in my eyes between the functionality of both Android KitKat and iOS 8, I can't see a place for Windows Phone. They have a different UI/UX but unless you have a certain taste for that sort of thing, there is nor reason to jump from a iPhone 5S or a LG G3 to a 1520/930/Icon. Microsoft fails to capitalize on their biggest strength, which is Xbox, so if they won't make their phone OS better, I have no reason to support them.

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You're correct, Windows Phone just became even more niche. It sucks but it's true. We do have catching up to do to iOS in the ecosystem based strategy. They released a lot of things we have but more polished and it sucks. I won't deny that. I don't feel the same about Android though. I really don't feel that we have any catching up to do in that regard. Sure, Android can do some things that Windows Phone can't but everything Windows Phone does, it does better than Android. Hell, you seem like a prominent enough user, I'm sure you know how much work it takes to make an Android phone decent, launchers, keyboards, widgets, just to make it close to on par in terms of quality with the other. I've never known a power user to stick to a stock keyboard or launcher. Most need new roms before they'll consider the devices.

 

[A895]

You're correct, Windows Phone just became even more niche. It sucks but it's true. We do have catching up to do to iOS in the ecosystem based strategy. They released a lot of things we have but more polished and it sucks. I won't deny that. I don't feel the same about Android though. I really don't feel that we have any catching up to do in that regard. Sure, Android can do some things that Windows Phone can't but everything Windows Phone does, it does better than Android. Hell, you seem like a prominent enough user, I'm sure you know how much work it takes to make an Android phone decent, launchers, keyboards, widgets, just to make it close to on par in terms of quality with the other. I've never known a power user to stick to a stock keyboard or launcher. Most need new roms before they'll consider the devices.

As far as myself I am actually not an app hoarder. My only game is badlands and besides the AC app and WPCentral App I don't have much. I have never rooted (have no reason to do so), and I don't do the heavy customization. I replace home screen and icons at the most sometimes.

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[z33dev33l]

As far as myself I am actually not an app hoarder. My only game is badlands and besides the AC app and WPCentral App I don't have much. I have never rooted (have no reason to do so), and I don't do the heavy customization. I replace home screen and icons at the most sometimes.

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Questions, how long have you been an Android user and what do you generally use your phone for?

 

[A895]

Questions, how long have you been an Android user and what do you generally use your phone for?

Android User for maybe 3 years now and I use my phone mainly for productivity. But I use Google Services for my productivity so that why I have not switched yet Google Services the best on Android.

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[Slayix312]

They have a different UI/UX but unless you have a certain taste for that sort of thing, there is nor reason to jump from a iPhone 5S or a LG G3 to a 1520/930/Icon. Microsoft fails to capitalize on their biggest strength, which is Xbox

I agree 100%. I just got the Nokia Icon (think I saw you on the WP forums as well) and the UI is fairly nice, but even then I don't like it nearly as nice as my customized screen. Personal opinion of course, but I just don't know how having a screen that you can customize in 1000000 different ways is worse than WP UI as some WP fans suggest. I have said before that WP is super limited. The OS is great if you aren't a big power-user and you like getting only what you see.

Android is just a completely different animal and it can be as powerful or as useless as you want it to be.




On a separate note. I will give iOS BIG props for the many improvements in 8.1 The biggest imo is the Swift platform they will be using. This makes me even more excited for I/O personally as I know Google will be forced to come up with something great to match it.