Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC One (M8)?

[bembol]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

How can you deny the joy and ease of Google plus backing up your pics lol

I like SD cards for media and Roms that's it. Just because I hate streaming music at the cost of my battery

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Even if The Big 3 (Bell, Rogers & Telus) offered Unlimited Data, people seem to forget Batteries don't last long and worst takes forever to charge.

Having said that, I've adapted and learned to deal with what I have/given to me. 32GB nexus 5.

 

[Almeuit]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

I use it for storage but I do backup frequently. I don't mind to stream but I don't get a solid 80-100mbps connection to stream 4k.

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Well understandable.. Note my post didn't say storing the movies in the cloud.. But rather the SD card . I was saying SD cards are great for extra storage like movies, music, etc. Things (to me) that irreplaceable like photos belong directly to the cloud.

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[dpham00]

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Well understandable.. Note my post didn't say storing the movies in the cloud.. But rather the SD card . I was saying SD cards are great for extra storage like movies, music, etc. Things (to me) that irreplaceable like photos belong directly to the cloud.

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Sure everything important should be backed up.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

I apologize ahead of time if this was already said in this thread.

Kit Kat does have very specific support for SD cards. You can read from them, and apps can create their own folders on them. It is not a universal write type of scenario.

Also, they can still be done "wrong" like Samsung is doing when they mess with the mount points and stuff like that. If HTC or anyone else (this does include Samsung) do it the way Google wrote it in then how could anyone, including myself, complain? If it's done "the way Google intends" then I won't complain. I probably still won't use it, but I won't say it's the worst thing ever either.

 

[ugxvibe]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

On a side note, having an SD card may help speed up the rooting process of this phone also. ;-)

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[SeanJamesWright]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

SD card slot doesn't bother me. I find 32GB is enough for what I need but each to their own.

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[GrooveRite]

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II probably still won't use it, but I won't say it's the worst thing ever either.

Its better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it!

I know I said this quote some time within the past few days but it was worth repeating for your statement.

 

[JeffDenver]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

There is no advantage for the end user NOT to have an SD option. There is no reason it should not be there IMO.

 

[Almeuit]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

There is no advantage for the end user NOT to have an SD option. There is no reason it should not be there IMO.

I could think of one.. It's not right to do but if you look at Apple you'll see they've been doing it.. Up charge for internal memory and you pretty much have to buy it.. If you want the space. Versus a SD Card.

As I said not right.. But from a company standpoint I could see them using that reason (although never admitting to it).

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[dpham00]

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There is no advantage for the end user NOT to have an SD option. There is no reason it should not be there IMO.

First part I agree with. Second part, not so much, for the same reason stated above

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[JeffDenver]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

I could think of one.. It's not right to do but if you look at Apple you'll see they've been doing it.. Up charge for internal memory and you pretty much have to buy it.. If you want the space. Versus a SD Card.

As I said not right.. But from a company standpoint I could see them using that reason (although never admitting to it).

Thats why I qualified my statement:

"There is no advantage for the end user NOT to have an SD option. There is no reason it should not be there IMO."

As a phone buyer, there is no advantage for me not to have an SD option.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

Thats why I qualified my statement:

"There is no advantage for the end user NOT to have an SD option. There is no reason it should not be there IMO."

As a phone buyer, there is no advantage for me not to have an SD option.

On the surface yes. But what if the cost associated with redesigning for an SD card slot took away from the development of something else that would have even more benefit? This is something we'll never know the answer to, but it has to be accepted as a possibility since engineering resources are finite and they need to be allocated to projects in order of priority. If the market as a whole had accepted the death of SD cards who knows what we might see from manufacturers if they had those engineering resources available to develop other features.

What if, for example, HTC devoted so many resources to designing an SD card slot in the M8 (and the OS as well) that it prevented them for having an even better design? Or it restricted them in ways that weren't ideal for what they really wanted to do?

 

[A895]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

On the surface yes. But what if the cost associated with redesigning for an SD card slot took away from the development of something else that would have even more benefit? This is something we'll never know the answer to, but it has to be accepted as a possibility since engineering resources are finite and they need to be allocated to projects in order of priority. If the market as a whole had accepted the death of SD cards who knows what we might see from manufacturers if they had those engineering resources available to develop other features.

What if, for example, HTC devoted so many resources to designing an SD card slot in the M8 (and the OS as well) that it prevented them for having an even better design? Or it restricted them in ways that weren't ideal for what they really wanted to do?

If that was the case what took them so long to figure this out if they have been doing sd cards for years?

 

[JeffDenver]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

On the surface yes. But what if the cost associated with redesigning for an SD card slot took away from the development of something else that would have even more benefit?

I keep hearing this argument, but have never once seen any evidence to support it. There are dirt cheap Android phones that have SD. Do you have any sources which give cost or cost estimates for adding SD to a phone?

What if, for example, HTC devoted so many resources to designing an SD card slot in the M8 (and the OS as well) that it prevented them for having an even better design?

Considering how old SD is, and how ubiquitous it is, I find it hard to believe there are significant costs attached to adding it to a phone. Especially a flagship phone. HTC has apparently decided there is enough of a demand for it that they need to start adding it again to make their product more appealing.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

If that was the case what took them so long to figure this out if they have been doing sd cards for years?

You mean if other features were abandoned to put the SD card back in? No idea. But engineering an SD card slot and making sure it doesn't break other things probably isn't as simple as we think. The internal layout of the board and other electronic stuff has to be redone, and the antennas as well.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

I keep hearing this argument, but have never once seen any evidence to support it. There are dirt cheap Android phones that have SD. Do you have any sources which give cost or cost estimates for adding SD to a phone?


Considering how old SD is, and how ubiquitous it is, I find it hard to believe there are significant costs attached to adding it to a phone. Especially a flagship phone. HTC has apparently decided there is enough of a demand for it that they need to start adding it again to make their product more appealing.

Take my post as a whole. It doesn't matter how much it costs. If you have X amount of engineers, and you assign them to a task, then they can't help with another task. That's simple to understand. Companies don't have unlimited amounts of resources or the ability to just hire more people all the time. That's not how it works. The resource in question is time and people. Both of which are not unlimited.

Yes, HTC has obviously decided that it needs to be there. That, and Kit Kat introduced proper support in Android for SD cards with appropriate API's for apps to use. I'm also already seeing threads where this is causing problems, specifically with Samsung devices, because Samsung seems to be going the official way, which means the way apps used to write to the SD cards on their devices is no longer functional. So now we're going to be in a "waiting period" for apps to get updated to use the SD card the way it's supposed to be used in Kit Kat.

 

[JeffDenver]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

You mean if other features were abandoned to put the SD card back in? No idea. But engineering an SD card slot and making sure it doesn't break other things probably isn't as simple as we think. The internal layout of the board and other electronic stuff has to be redone, and the antennas as well.

Samsung, Sony, HTC, and many other OEMs (ZTE, Lenovo, ect) do not seem to have had an issue making it work. Just sayin...

That makes me think that the variable is not complexity, but something else. Like design or ideology.

 

[JeffDenver]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

Yes, HTC has obviously decided that it needs to be there. That, and Kit Kat introduced proper support in Android for SD cards with appropriate API's for apps to use. I'm also already seeing threads where this is causing problems, specifically with Samsung devices, because Samsung seems to be going the official way, which means the way apps used to write to the SD cards on their devices is no longer functional.

So what? Worst case scenario is that you just use internal storage...which would be the same case if you had no SD at all. So there is still no downside. You still have more options with SD than without.

 

[dmmarck]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

Samsung, Sony, HTC, and many other OEMs (ZTE, Lenovo, ect) do not seem to have had an issue making it work. Just sayin...

That makes me think that the variable is not complexity, but something else. Like design or ideology.

Like this?

Why Nexus devices have no SD card | Android Central

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Re: Is micro SD making a comeback in the HTC M8?

Samsung, Sony, HTC, and many other OEMs (ZTE, Lenovo, ect) do not seem to have had an issue making it work. Just sayin...

That makes me think that the variable is not complexity, but something else. Like design or ideology.

Oh like complexity of designing it into a unibody aluminum phone frame? Yep. I would agree. Kind of what I was referring to also. They want to keep the aluminum I think, because it was universally praised by press and media. It was a key point of differentiation for them in the market. It doesn't change the fact that putting an SD slot in it made the job of the engineers more difficult because even more has to be changed internally to account for that.

Ideology I'm not sure. Speculation here....but Google took away support, and then added it back in. FWIW (HTC seemed to want to follow that)