Is the camera any better?

[Mike Dee]

Agreed, that's what has kept me from upgrading my Canon 60D is because I don't lug it around enough to spend the extra on a new body. For what I use it for it's still a great camera and until I begin to carry my kit around more often or it gives up the ghost I'm not putting more into it other than maybe a new lens if something catches my fancy.

I can actually fit my Sony NEX6 in my pocket with the kit lens and have gotten away with at some events because they think it's a point and shoot.

 

[kolyan2k]

For the cost of that new phone, you can buy a.................REAL camera!

For 1k you can probably get a nice 1inch sensor compact but you won't be able to trade in your Note 10 for $700 and get $125-225 worth of freebies

 

[L0n3N1nja]

For 1k you can probably get a nice 1inch sensor compact but you won't be able to trade in your Note 10 for $700 and get $125-225 worth of freebies

You can get a quality compact with 1" sensor for around $500, or a M4/3 mirrorless, ASP-C DSLRs and Mirrorless often dip that low in price too.

 

[Mike Dee]

You can get a quality compact with 1" sensor for around $500, or a M4/3 mirrorless, ASP-C DSLRs and Mirrorless often dip that low in price too.

I just looked up how much my mirrorless Sony is going for on Ebay. It's insane like smartphones how much they depreciate. Film bodies used to retain their value and sometimes even go up.

 

[tcdude]

I just looked up how much my mirrorless Sony is going for on Ebay. It's insane like smartphones how much they depreciate. Film bodies used to retain their value and sometimes even go up.

I am guessing lenses retain their value a little more than the camera body does?

 

[L0n3N1nja]

I am guessing lenses retain their value a little more than the camera body does?

As long as it's on a current lens mount and hasn't been replaced by an updated or better version they usually do. Some lens designs are sold for well over a decade before they get updated. I think Canon and Nikon still sell a few new that haven't been changed or updated since the 90s.

Digital cameras don't hold value as well because they are rapidly replaced by better cameras. Auto focus has greatly improved. ISO performance, dynamic range, battery life, higher frame rates on still images, new video features like slow motion or 4k.

 

[L0n3N1nja]

I just looked up how much my mirrorless Sony is going for on Ebay. It's insane like smartphones how much they depreciate. Film bodies used to retain their value and sometimes even go up.

Film bodies didn't change all that often from my understanding.

 

[Mike Dee]

Film bodies didn't change all that often from my understanding.

They didn't until the early 80s when they started adding auto settings so that almost anyone could take good pictures without worrying about lighting. My first DSLR was fully manual with a analog light meter built in.

 

[Emig5m]

Played with all three S20s at Best Buy today and compared to my S10... IMO, and I mainly care about video recording, long story short, the only real upgrade is the Ultra model. If you have an S10 and want a camera upgrade get the Ultra or wait till next year... The optical zoom and less grainy image indoor/low light of the Ultra is where the real upgrade is. However the bulkiness and weight is a deal breaker for me. The Ultra camera in the size/weight of the Plus would of been.... perfection!

 

[Mike Dee]

Played with all three S20s at Best Buy today and compared to my S10... IMO, and I mainly care about video recording, long story short, the only real upgrade is the Ultra model. If you have an S10 and want a camera upgrade get the Ultra or wait till next year... The optical zoom and less grainy image indoor/low light of the Ultra is where the real upgrade is. However the bulkiness and weight is a deal breaker for me. The Ultra camera in the size/weight of the Plus would of been.... perfection!

The reason the Ultra is huge is because of the camera design so it is literally impossible to get those features in a plus

 

[Mike Dee]

Played with all three S20s at Best Buy today and compared to my S10... IMO, and I mainly care about video recording, long story short, the only real upgrade is the Ultra model. If you have an S10 and want a camera upgrade get the Ultra or wait till next year... The optical zoom and less grainy image indoor/low light of the Ultra is where the real upgrade is. However the bulkiness and weight is a deal breaker for me. The Ultra camera in the size/weight of the Plus would of been.... perfection!

The reason the Ultra is huge is because of the camera design so it is literally impossible to get those features in a plus

 

[Casey Cheung]

I am guessing lenses retain their value a little more than the camera body does?

Generally speaking, accessories such as speedlight flashes and lenses will retain their value a bit better than a body. I learned this the hard way when I was unloading my old Nikon D1x gear over 10 years ago. I bought the D1x body new for over $5,000 (body only) when it first came out, but it was only worth around $500 or $600 at the time years later. The owner of the camera store informed me that every Tom, **** and Harry want the newest camera body for the highest pixel count. But that doesn't necessarily apply towards accessories. Hence older bodies get devalued faster than accessories and you will see that in the resale value.

 

[Casey Cheung]

Probably because the market collapsed when cell phones began to pass compact cameras in image quality. I had the Galaxy Camera, thought it was great when I got it, S7 took better photos in anything but ideal lighting.

I had put away my Samsung compact camera in the closet for years. When I resurrected it one day, it still worked and takes nice pics. Unfortunately though, the Android Samsung app for wireless image transfer to the phone totally stopped working on my new phone. I later found out that the Samsung camera phone app only worked for the older phones with the older version of the Android O.S. Any new(er) Android phones with the newer operating system was no longer compatible with the Samsung camera wireless transfer. Sad. Yes, I agree that better smartphone cameras pretty much destroyed the market for Samsung compact cameras. I will continue using my Samsung compact camera cuz it takes decent images and even has a nice optical zoom lens to boot.

 

[strikeIII]

I really hope they address the over smoothing processing.


https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/26/21155255/samsung-galaxy-s20-camera-issues-update-promised

 

[neil74]

Found this interesting on notebook checker


Update: After a closer look at Samsung's technical spec sheet, we've found out that the Galaxy S20 and S20+ do not, in fact, even offer anything close to the 2.5x optical zoom originally estimated here. The phones only have optical zoom of about 1.06x—non-existent for all intents and purposes. Instead, the telephoto cameras of the phones use a 64 MP sensor with a wide-angle lens and crops into the image to offer Samsung's "3x hybrid optical zoom".

https://www.notebookcheck.net/3x-optical-zoom-for-the-Galaxy-S20-and-S20-Not-quite.453855.0.html

 

[donm527]

Interesting... when reading specs last week I also noticed “hybrid optical zoom” used and wondered what it meant.

The Ultra too also says “10x hybrid optical zoom.”

 

[neil74]

I guessed of course that these were hybrids at the long end but to not actually have any optical zoom at all but just a digital crop is cheating a little really.

 

[Casey Cheung]

I had put away my Samsung compact camera in the closet for years. When I resurrected it one day, it still worked and takes nice pics. Unfortunately though, the Android Samsung app for wireless image transfer to the phone totally stopped working on my new phone. I later found out that the Samsung camera phone app only worked for the older phones with the older version of the Android O.S. Any new(er) Android phones with the newer operating system was no longer compatible with the Samsung camera wireless transfer. Sad. Yes, I agree that better smartphone cameras pretty much destroyed the market for Samsung compact cameras. I will continue using my Samsung compact camera cuz it takes decent images and even has a nice optical zoom lens to boot.

Behold, my compact/pocket Samsung camera with a *real* optical zoom lens! Still works great after many years for shooting stills and videos. Plus offers manual exposure mode! I'm sad Samsung stopped making these pocket cameras, I like these better than the Canon Elph series. I think these can still be bought used on Amazon maybe. Unfortunately, the camera's Bluetooth/Wifi wireless transfer doesn't work anymore on my new Samsung phone. Samsung stopped updating their phone app years ago apparently.

 

[KrisYYC]

The 100x Super space galactic universal zoom is a total gimmick. The quality is garbage. I think they should have spent that R&D on improving the actual sensor quality and software processing instead ridiculous zoom lengths that are basically worthless.

 

[DanielLoreti]

It's the best https://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-phone-cameras,review-2272.html