Is the Laptop Dock the Culprit Behind the New Droid Bionic Form Factor?

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Is the Laptop Dock the Culprit Behind the New Droid Bionic Form Factor?

Another Article I found..

Is the Laptop Dock the Culprit Behind the Impetus for a New Droid Bionic Form Factor?

I am hoping that the phone stays 4.3" I really do not want the Laptop Dock. It will ruin the phone. If They Do the same with this phone that they did with the Atrix!! 512MB DDR2 for the phone and 512MB DDR2 for the Laptop Dock.

If they do that with this phone It will be a deal breaker for me... This phone does not need a Laptop Dock!! Just straight up 1GB DDR2 Ram only All Phone.
 
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I hear ya Preach. WebTop will kill the Bionic off my list immediately.

I said a while back. Deal breakers would be: Less than a Gig of RAM and/or WebTop.

Article makes sense to me and it does align with the chatter about the docks and webtop for all their devices months ago.
 
I 3rd that...I want 1 GIG RAM and NO WebTop; I am just not interested in that technology at this point. I want FAST internet, smooth action, GREAT Voice quality (prefer VoLTE), and a BIG screen.
 
I hear ya Preach. WebTop will kill the Bionic off my list immediately.

I said a while back. Deal breakers would be: Less than a Gig of RAM and/or WebTop.

Article makes sense to me and it does align with the chatter about the docks and webtop for all their devices months ago.

If you never plan on using it, why do you care?
 
If you never plan on using it, why do you care?


Because it will just be 512MB DDR2 with the Laptop Dock!!! That why!!!! It is a Gimmick. I messed with the Atrix on the laptop Dock and it was so slow!!! This phone has to have 1GB DDR2 of Ram for it to sell... If I can do more on a Laptop then with the Laptop Dock then what is the use of having it. The Atrix would of been a Great Phone if it was Straight 1GB DDR2 of Ram.
 
Because it will just be 512MB DDR2 with the Laptop Dock!!! That why!!!! It is a Gimmick. I messed with the Atrix on the laptop Dock and it was so slow!!! This phone has to have 1GB DDR2 of Ram for it to sell... If I can do more on a Laptop then with the Laptop Dock then what is the use of having it. The Atrix would of been a Great Phone if it was Straight 1GB DDR2 of Ram.

Why are you persisting in the lie that 512 mb of memory is devoted to WebTop?
 
Why are you persisting in the lie that 512 mb of memory is devoted to WebTop?

Because I do not think it is a lie I think that there is some truth to it. Plus the Handouts that was handed to the AT&T Rep said it. I looked at it while he was reading from the hand out. The phone was fast by itself but on the Laptop dock it slowed down tremendously!!! It is a Gimmick!!! Plain and Simple.. The Dock just killed it for me... Do want anything that can't do what my Laptop can do!!!
 
I understand WebTop is a different Linux OS, and isn't Chrome OS or Android based, and that it runs alongside Android when the phone is docked. But are you saying that its ALWAYS running, even if you don't have a dock? I've heard things both ways about the memory, but if its not running all the time, I see no reason for them to lock out half the RAM, though I know things like this happen often. *cough* PSP Slim *cough*

Anyway, once Chrome OS comes out, it will make the whole idea of webtop pointless IMHO. Chrome OS netbooks will be far cheaper than these docks are turning out to be, and you don't lose the ability to use your phone as a phone whenever you want to use your computer. Yes, I realize you can still make/receive calls, but talking on a laptop is not the same as on a phone.

Personally, I think they should do one of two things:

1) Build a netbook form factor with the dock where the touchpad would be, using the phone itself as the touchpad. Use standard micro-usb for power and the keyboard, and hdmi for the display. Balance the weight of the phone up-front with a battery in the rear.

2) Build a wireless version that lets you keep the phone in your pocket. Basically, build a netbook-like terminal, consisting of a bluetooth keyboard and DLNA equipped display, as well as its own battery. You wouldn't even have to take the phone out of your pocket, and the device could be much lighter and thinner than a standard netbook, considering it has no hardwire other than the bluetooth and DLNA chipsets. This would likely be a higher-end version of the dock, but at the price the current one costs, I'm sure they could do it.

Either of these would just be netbook-shaped terminals for the phone, the software would be the very same Android OS that's on the phone. It may be useful to create a more laptop-oriented UI, though this should not be a separate OS, just something that the phone runs atop the standard OS whenever it detects its being used with a lapdock. Moto could try to make a UI themselves, or I'm sure a lightweight Linux window manager like XFCE, LXDE, or even an older version of Gnome would work great. Alternatively, Ice Cream Sandwich may have the built-in ability to switch to a Honeycomb-style UI based on the size of the screen, which could be easily adapted to a netbook-like device as well.

The alternative would be to just let you use the dock to log in as a different user. You'd of course still have the same Google profile, apps, preferences, etc. I'm simply talking about logging into the same hardware with a second user profile, sharing resources as each account needs them. Anybody who's remotely familiar with a desktop Linux OS or two should know what I'm talking about, where multiple people can be logged into the same computer at once, providing you have enough terminals, without any perceivable performance hit. This would be good, as it would likely be a better way to have two separate UI's and sets of preferences than running one set on top of the other every time it detects a webtop device. I don't know for a fact that this would work in Android, but every other Linux-based OS has had no problem doing that.
 
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I dont like it, but it definitely wont be a deal breaker for me.

Instead of using a laptop dock though, i hope they change it up and make it a tablet dock.

Like a tablet without the guts, but there is a hole in the back of the tablet dock where you can attach the phone to, and it turns into a tablet.

THAT I WANT!!!
 
Also i do think Webtop is playing a big role in the Bionics delay.

If you remember the statement released last week, it said something along the lines of "After recieving feedback from CES, they wanted to change somethings".

And guess what, at CES everyone was wondering why bionic didnt have webtop and Atrix did. Everyone was complaining about it. They arent now after the reviews, but during that period they were.
 
Also i do think Webtop is playing a big role in the Bionics delay.

If you remember the statement released last week, it said something along the lines of "After recieving feedback from CES, they wanted to change somethings".

And guess what, at CES everyone was wondering why bionic didnt have webtop and Atrix did. Everyone was complaining about it. They arent now after the reviews, but during that period they were.

They were also wondering why it had 512MB RAM and not 1GB like the Atrix. ;)
 
There's a lot of talk about the Webtop ability of the Atrix. When I first played with the Atrix when it was first released, it was SLOW and would lock up. However, I played with it last week and after the updates it's as smooth as butter, in fact the smoothest I've ever seen. I wouldn't pass up on the Bionic/Targa simply because of Webtop abilities because of the other features it'll possess and that mind-blowingly beautiful screen.

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Is it safe to assume that the Bionic screen would have to be downsized to a 4" vs the 4.3" to accommodate the laptop dock?

This is the only issue that would possible send me searching for a different phone. I know many don't like the larger screen but I am a big fan of the 4.3"

Either way it would be nice to hear something from Moto as to what the hell they are working on. Being the fiasco that the Bionic has been Don't see them releasing any information at all until its 150% nailed down, so two weeks before launch aka: 3 months from now... BLAH!!!!
 
Well I remember them saying multiple times that the Bionic would definitely be getting Webtop, even before the announced revision. I don't see why they would feel the need to have a single standardized dock though, so I doubt they would downsize the screen just to get it to fit the Atrix dock. Again, after hearing BMX's comments, I'm almost certain the hardware revision had to do with the fact that the Bionic simply wasn't performing like it should. They couldn't get the battery life where it should be, LTE wouldn't work reliably, and they still couldn't get it to perform the way it should for a dual-core device. Basically, the finalized software that makes phones work the way you'd expect them to for their hardware never was created.

If so, that may have been enough to cause them to push development on another device they had in the pipeline, one with OMAP 4 and 1 gig of ram. Hopefully, they've learned some lessons from the Atrix as well, and webtop will be just a skin on top of Android. At the very least, I should hope its not running all the time, and preventing Android from using the full gig of RAM, as some have suggested for the Atrix (though still not confirmed for that phone from what I've seen).

Anyway, give it OMAP 4 and a usable gig of RAM, and I don't think an IPS display is too much to ask for at this point (though not S-AMOLED+) and I could care less if it has Webtop.
 
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Is it safe to assume that the Bionic screen would have to be downsized to a 4" vs the 4.3" to accommodate the laptop dock?

This is the only issue that would possible send me searching for a different phone. I know many don't like the larger screen but I am a big fan of the 4.3"

Either way it would be nice to hear something from Moto as to what the hell they are working on. Being the fiasco that the Bionic has been Don't see them releasing any information at all until its 150% nailed down, so two weeks before launch aka: 3 months from now... BLAH!!!!

No. The reason it has such a big screen has more to do with the LTE radio requirements than anything else. (and that won't change)

BMX has said on Twitter that Verizon doesn't even have the hardware from Motorola yet, so its going to be a long slog until we see it. I'd wager August.
 
I just heard rumor that the form factor was going to change because of the Laptop dock, and that Moto would prefer to us the same one the atrix used and that would require them to shrink the size of the Bionic. Thus causing them to shrink the screen size down to 4" instead of 4.3" I'm hoping that isn't the case, and based of what you are saying it doesn't sound like the screen will be shrinking.
 
I just heard rumor that the form factor was going to change because of the Laptop dock, and that Moto would prefer to us the same one the atrix used and that would require them to shrink the size of the Bionic. Thus causing them to shrink the screen size down to 4" instead of 4.3" I'm hoping that isn't the case, and based of what you are saying it doesn't sound like the screen will be shrinking.

They can't. The phone would be ridiculously thick if they shrank the screen.
 

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