Lack of traffic here a harbinger N10 sales?

[trucksmoveamerica#AC]

I will just say, as an S10 owner, PowerShare has proved to be immensely useful. I just got back from a vacation on the Mediterranean and saved an iPhone XS user's dying device a few times. Left my Gear S3 charger back in the US and just used my phone to charge that. Charged my Galaxy Buds with it as well.

We also went to a soccer game in which security didn't allow power banks. Once again, saved the iPhone user with PowerShare.

I've used mine for my watch several times. It's nice feature

 

[103Softail]

If you think high price is related to quality. It isn't necessarily. It's more related to profit margins. The phones which used to be cheaper brands are now more expensive because they know that can get the $$$

I don't even know if it's the price. I mean really, phones just don't need to be upgraded every year. If they cost less, then maybe they would because they wouldn't be as high of quality.

 

[Jaycemiskel]

If you think high price is related to quality. It isn't necessarily. It's more related to profit margins. The phones which used to be cheaper brands are now more expensive because they know that can get the $$$

I guess I should say they wouldn't have as high of specs. I kinda equate that to quality in electronics. Yeah I'm sure they could reduce their profit margins, but what company is going to do that? In the end, if they don't keep making good profits they end up coming out with sucky products (see LG and HTC) or eventually stopping altogether. Quite often, you get what you pay for.

 

[debdroid1a]

If you think high price is related to quality. It isn't necessarily. It's more related to profit margins. The phones which used to be cheaper brands are now more expensive because they know that can get the $$$

It is related to quality. There are $250 Samsung phones or S or Note series that cost more. You will get what you pay for.

You could even get the LG Stylo 4 that has a stylus. My dad decided to get an LG because my brother got an LG (not sure why he switched from Samsung, but whatever.). It has a stylus like an Spen. No clicker, you use your fingernail to pull it out. No bluetooth. No little button for an eraser or other options. The tip to write with is a cheap plastic and thick. You can find one of these phones for under $250.

Quality and options determine price as much as demand.

 

[Morty2264]

Do people move around that much that they still rent?

Renting/leasing is big here. The prices of homes have gone up too. It's hard to find a place!

 

[corvette72778]

Other than some apparent media shilling, general comments seem to range more of indifference and negativity towards the new N10 devices. Previous Notes had far more traffic at AC.

Also wondering if Samsung is BSing S10 sales numbers with what's sitting in channels, verses what has actually sold through to consumers. I can't find one retailer I've visited in the US or England that touts great S10 sales. Typical response has been "less than expected", or "underwhelming".

Hopefully the 11 series gets rid of the notch and brings back the jack. Getting rid of the reflective and distorted curved edges would be nice too.

First time since the 5 series I'm skipping. Note 9 rocks overall.

There's a lot of features the Note 10 is losing:
Iris scanner
finger gestures
Ideally placed location rear fingerprint scanner
Home button haptic feedback
Holeless display
Power button perfectly placed on the right.

Samsung realized they made a mistake when they took so many features out of the Note 5. They are risking the same fate with the Note 10, not to mention the Note 10 will be a downgrade from the Note 9. It's the Note 10 Plus that's the improved version but it's gonna be at least $1150!

 

[hasasimo]

There's a lot of features the Note 10 is losing:
Iris scanner
finger gestures
Ideally placed location rear fingerprint scanner
Home button haptic feedback
Holeless display
Power button perfectly placed on the right.

Samsung realized they made a mistake when they took so many features out of the Note 5. They are risking the same fate with the Note 10, not to mention the Note 10 will be a downgrade from the Note 9. It's the Note 10 Plus that's the improved version but it's gonna be at least $1150!

Many of those aren't features. I had a Note 9 and I have an S10. The in-display fingerprint sensor is more ideally placed in the S10. Literally just right in the display. It's the most natural position possible on a touch screen, if you're someone that uses your thumb to scroll/type like most.

I personally never used the iris scanner, so I won't comment on what kind of loss that is for those that use it.

What is the point of home button haptic feedback? Serious question. I had mine on the lowest setting possible. You can now double-tap anywhere on the screen to wake it. Much more useful and long overdue IMO. And you can even lift to wake, though I'm not fond of that setting and leave it off.

The lack of bezels make the holepunch display very much worth it to me. I'd never go back to bigger bezels.

Power button placement is something I get used to within a week. As a mobile tech enthusiast I switch phones often enough that I'm used to it being in different spots on different phones, but I understand I'm in the minority with this.

Only "features" the Note 10 is losing are microSD support and the headphone jack. The latter is quickly becoming a relic on every flagship, and the former is being compensated with much more base storage. Though, I understand why that's still a problem for some.

Security options, display, etc. are all upgrades and leaps forward IMO.

 

[trucksmoveamerica#AC]

I love how everyone now loves the FPS on the back, in fact now it's nicely placed FPS on the back. When Samsung first put it there it was like that's the worst place, have to stretch to reach it. Now that everyone has adopted to the back, the front under screen is just horrible. Well, once you learn to do it, the front under screen is awesome, just have to learn a new way, just like we did with the back FPS.

 

[debdroid1a]

Many of those aren't features. I had a Note 9 and I have an S10. The in-display fingerprint sensor is more ideally placed in the S10. Literally just right in the display. It's the most natural position possible on a touch screen, if you're someone that uses your thumb to scroll/type like most.

I personally never used the iris scanner, so I won't comment on what kind of loss that is for those that use it.

What is the point of home button haptic feedback? Serious question. I had mine on the lowest setting possible.

The lack of bezels make the holepunch display very much worth it to me. I'd never go back to bigger bezels.

Power button placement is something I get used to within a week. As a mobile tech enthusiast I switch phones often enough that I'm used to it being in different spots on different phones, but I understand I'm in the minority with this.

Only "features" the Note 10 is losing is microSD support and the headphone jack. The latter is quickly becoming a relic on every flagship, and the former is being compensated with much more base storage. Though, I understand why that's still a problem for some.

Security options, display, etc. are all upgrades and leaps forward IMO.

Lol user Corvette72778 said the same thing on another discussion and I replied similar to yours.
Here's the discussion: https://forums.androidcentral.com/s...ould-i-just-get-another-note-9-just-case.html

 

[Mr Segundus]

You guys have to remember we in this forum are a very small number of the phones sold, we buy more often. The general population do not and at these prices, they will slow down buying phones. Most everyone I know, they buy every couple years or more and at these higher prices they are leaning to longer. I think the average user, they found the it's to expensive price mark. Sales being down is showing proof of that.

This. The people I work with are still using iPhone SEs, iPhone 7s, and iPhone Xs (pluralized iPhone X, not the iPhone XS). One guy has the Note 8. None of them can afford to buy expensive phones and they don't want to buy them.

 

[kj11]

There's a lot of features the Note 10 is losing:
Iris scanner
finger gestures
Ideally placed location rear fingerprint scanner
Home button haptic feedback
Holeless display
Power button perfectly placed on the right.

Samsung realized they made a mistake when they took so many features out of the Note 5. They are risking the same fate with the Note 10, not to mention the Note 10 will be a downgrade from the Note 9. It's the Note 10 Plus that's the improved version but it's gonna be at least $1150!

"power button perfectly placed...."

Seems more of a personal preference thing than a 'lost feature'

 

[vnmous1]

I am an early adopter. I am normally a first day kinda guy.

My Note 8 is so good that I had no reason to do a Note 9. There simply wasn't enough meat pn the bone.

The S10 would have been perfect technically but the lack of a pen is a deal breaker for my work.


So Note 10 it is. As eluded to before this is hardly a valid test group for market appetite. It will sell well. Lots of N8 people waited.

As for the list of "lost" features.... The number of people that used all (if more than one) of them is smaller than the number of people that give a crap about Bixby. And that's REALLY small. Slightly more than people that purchased a Dex stand (I got a free one, but nope! Never use it. No need but wireless Dex will be more usable)

 

[corvette72778]

Many of those aren't features. I had a Note 9 and I have an S10. The in-display fingerprint sensor is more ideally placed in the S10. Literally just right in the display. It's the most natural position possible on a touch screen, if you're someone that uses your thumb to scroll/type like most.

I personally never used the iris scanner, so I won't comment on what kind of loss that is for those that use it.

What is the point of home button haptic feedback? Serious question. I had mine on the lowest setting possible. You can now double-tap anywhere on the screen to wake it. Much more useful and long overdue IMO. And you can even lift to wake, though I'm not fond of that setting and leave it off.

The lack of bezels make the holepunch display very much worth it to me. I'd never go back to bigger bezels.

Power button placement is something I get used to within a week. As a mobile tech enthusiast I switch phones often enough that I'm used to it being in different spots on different phones, but I understand I'm in the minority with this.

Only "features" the Note 10 is losing are microSD support and the headphone jack. The latter is quickly becoming a relic on every flagship, and the former is being compensated with much more base storage. Though, I understand why that's still a problem for some.

Security options, display, etc. are all upgrades and leaps forward IMO.

The in display fingerprint reader is not as good or as accurate as the Prior models. You can see that in reviews and on YouTube. You're finger is always on the back of the phone. You're thumb is not. It's an extra process.

A benefit of haptic feedback is an extra indicator of being at the right location for the home button. For various reasons the home button might not be showing so if you have the phone upside down, haptic feedback let's you know.

Some people on here remind me of the iPhone users in that I doesn't matter what features Apple takes on the iphone to cut costs, they buy anyways. That's how Apple became such a valuable company.

 

[trucksmoveamerica#AC]

The in display fingerprint reader is not as good or as accurate as the Prior models. You can see that in reviews and on YouTube. You're finger is always on the back of the phone. You're thumb is not. It's an extra process.

A benefit of haptic feedback is an extra indicator of being at the right location for the home button. For various reasons the home button might not be showing so if you have the phone upside down, haptic feedback let's you know.

Some people on here remind me of the iPhone users in that I doesn't matter what features Apple takes on the iphone to cut costs, they buy anyways. That's how Apple became such a valuable company.

Think we are just having first world problems now.

 

[ahaxton]

Do people move around that much that they still rent?

For my wife and I it isn't about moving, it's about repairs. I have heard SO MANY horror stories from family and friends about "My A/C went out," "My foundation needs repair," "I need a new fence for the back yard." WHen our A/C went out, do you know what we did? Called the apartment office and they sent a guy. When our refrigerator stopped cooling, do you know what we did? Called the apartment office and they sent a guy. For us, that peace of mind is worth WAY more than the minor inconveniences of apartment living.

 

[Morty2264]

For my wife and I it isn't about moving, it's about repairs. I have heard SO MANY horror stories from family and friends about "My A/C went out," "My foundation needs repair," "I need a new fence for the back yard." WHen our A/C went out, do you know what we did? Called the apartment office and they sent a guy. When our refrigerator stopped cooling, do you know what we did? Called the apartment office and they sent a guy. For us, that peace of mind is worth WAY more than the minor inconveniences of apartment living.

You have a definite point there. We had plumbing issues here just last weekend and my landlord - you guessed it - sent a guy.

 

[ahaxton]

You have a definite point there. We had plumbing issues here just last weekend and my landlord - you guessed it - sent a guy. ??????

Yep. Also? No mowing, edging, weed pulling, or bush/tree trimming.

 

[hasasimo]

The in display fingerprint reader is not as good or as accurate as the Prior models. You can see that in reviews and on YouTube. You're finger is always on the back of the phone. You're thumb is not. It's an extra process.

A benefit of haptic feedback is an extra indicator of being at the right location for the home button. For various reasons the home button might not be showing so if you have the phone upside down, haptic feedback let's you know.

Some people on here remind me of the iPhone users in that I doesn't matter what features Apple takes on the iphone to cut costs, they buy anyways. That's how Apple became such a valuable company.

I have the actual phone. I had a Note 9. It is every bit as fast and accurate. It wasn't initially, but that changed after some early software updates.

It might just be me, but your explanation for why haptic feedback on the home button is better than double-tap to wake is just strange.

I've owned plenty of other phones besides Samsungs. Just because I like bezeless displays, maximum software features, in-display fingerprint sensors, and double-tap to wake simply means I want the most advanced tech in my smartphone along with aesthetics I can appreciate. Samsung happens to be the one delivering that most often. From 2012 to 2015 it was the Nokia Lumia line doing that for me. Samsung adopted the features those Nokias brought to the market (like always-on display and wireless charging) and improved upon them.

Ironically, it is your resistance to these technological advancements that is more aligned with Apple's iPhones.

 

[CKwik240]

You're finger is always on the back of the phone. You're thumb is not. It's an extra process.

This can be very dependent in the user. For the most part, if I'm holding my phone, I have 4 fingers on one side and my thumb on the other. Using the rear fps still requires some movement and usually an adjustment of my hand position to use.

However, in my case I rarely use it anyways. Both my smartwatches are tried devices and I'm rarely without one of them on if I leave home. At home, I use the trusted location. The usual case for me using the fps is to log into my banking apps. For me, it I seem to check my account most often while it's docked on one of my wireless charging stands out on a flat surface which means I have to pick up the phone to use the fps. Not exactly great placement for my use. A front sensor makes more sense for me.

Frankly, my favorite implemention of the fps was with the Sony Z5/C. It was integrated into the side mounted power button, which was placed right where my fingers tend to already be and can be accessed from the front while docked. I'd be pretty happy if Samsung used the same implementation but for the reasons I stated, I still prefer a front fps over a rear one.

 

[Nostromo79]

I want to wait for the Samsung Unpacked event on August 7th. Those glitzy presentations typically disclose a feature or two which help to inform my judgment. Each year I resolve to do more with the S-Pen and Bixby but my resolve fizzles-out after a while. I did annotate a number of photos this past year which I then shared so I give the S-Pen the credit for being very useful.

I believe it's how the Note Series has been revealed over the past few years that has had a Pavlovian effect on me. It's nearing the end of summer, I get wistful and want a new device to take on the annual Labor Day vacation. I used to be the only person with a Note smartphone at these end of summer celebrations but my younger relatives are now taking over the role of family scribe and they tend to wander around as young auteurs recording enough raw footage for a family miniseries.

A new Note10 sounds great; though I still have more than half of the available space left on my Note9. I bought the 8GB/512G model last year that was all the rage and initially somewhat difficult to obtain. I installed a 400GB micro SD card in the Note9 upon receiving it last August in time for last year's end of summer vacation! History is probably going to repeat itself this year and I look to bestow this still-excellent Note9 on my youngest sibling who will not be joining us on vacation. It's nearing summer's end. The local supermarket has already put out autumn-themed candy and in four weeks the Halloween items will go on display and I'll be there in the thick of it with a Note10 Pro if everything goes well.