Lg v20 vs. Note 7, got both, let's compare!

[silverfang77]

OK. The Note 7 is a collector's item. It is not available for commercial sales and will not be updated except to cripple it further.

However: isn't it interesting that with around 1,000,000 N7 phones still in the wild, there have been no further reports of battery fires?

Do you think the whole thing was a hoax or a smear campaign against Samsung?

 

[subguy812]

OK. The Note 7 is a collector's item. It is not available for commercial sales and will not be updated except to cripple it further.

However: isn't it interesting that with around 1,000,000 N7 phones still in the wild, there have been no further reports of battery fires?

I thought the same thing, about no further reports. I guess Samsung's liability no longer exists. They have already said it is potentially dangerous. Public transportation has already banned them so they are off the hook.The cell provider's have stopped selling them so they are off the hook. I really think it would be a struggle to claim an auto claim or a homeowner's claim at this point, because it has been documented. It is no longer newsworthy and for some reason folks were against Samsung in this. The Apple cult loves to hurl barbs against Samsung because Samsung is innovative, I guess. I think the goal was achieved and Apple and Google were the positive recipient's of Samsung's misfortune. The Note7 will hopefully be forgotten and Samsung will have a slam dunk with the 8's.

 

[subguy812]

Do you think the whole thing was a hoax or a smear campaign against Samsung?

I think Samsung made some mistakes, hurried the device to retail to beat Apple. Then hurried the device back to market for a 2nd failed attempt. They probably should have disabled the IMEI's remotely to have avoided problems and confusion after the first recall. Green battery or no green battery, in the back of my mind I thought some originals made there way back in the wild, but who knows. For whatever reason, the company lost money and reputation and the consumer lost as well.

 

[silverfang77]

Haste makes waste.

 

[juliesdroidsync]

Do you think the whole thing was a hoax or a smear campaign against Samsung?

Personally, I believe the first batch had a problem. Mine got HOT! I mean really hot that it was burning my fingers as I tried to get the case off and stick it in the refrigerator hot... literally. (that was 2 days before the first recall)

I was wireless fast-charging, had just done the first big Android update, and since I have 165+ apps on the phone, the processor was chugging for a really looooong time "updating" each app.

Now, the second batch... that's where I reach for my tinfoil hat; mine hasn't even gotten warm, and I do watch it closely. I tried doing the same thing when it did its updates, and although it was warmer than normal, it didn't get hot. The second batch was probably fine in my estimation; and people looking to make a buck or being paid by other companies to damage and/or make their phones overheat is a reasonable possibility.

Why?

Because the FINEST minds on the planet cannot duplicate ONE meltdown of those phones in the second batch... and no more incidents... so, you tell me?

 

[speedlever]

Do you think the whole thing was a hoax or a smear campaign against Samsung?

Or perhaps simply the media running wild? I have no idea. There sure hasn't been much said about other phones that have had battery swelling and fires.

Regardless, afaik, Samsung still doesn't know what caused the Note7 battery issue(s).

 

[silverfang77]

Then why did Samsung recall the second batch?

 

[juliesdroidsync]

Or perhaps simply the media running wild? I have no idea. There sure hasn't been much said about other phones that have had battery swelling and fires.

Regardless, afaik, Samsung still doesn't know what caused the Note7 battery issue(s).

Definitely media hysteria... and sometimes the media is "induced" into targeting a particular company or person.

And agree 100%... Samsung engineers still don't know what caused the issue in the second batch... I believe they won't find anything because there is nothing to find.

but I have a sneaking suspicion that Samsung corporate people know... Sabotage, corporate espionage, and some people just out to make a buck... I believe these make MORE sense than telling me the finest minds in the industry - Sammy engineers - some of the most intelligent people in the world, with nearly unlimited resources can't duplicate a single meltdown in the second batch... <adjusts her tinfoil hat...>

they did find, relatively quickly I might add, a problem in the first batch...

 

[Almeuit]

OK. The Note 7 is a collector's item. It is not available for commercial sales and will not be updated except to cripple it further.

However: isn't it interesting that with around 1,000,000 N7 phones still in the wild, there have been no further reports of battery fires?

Jerry already commented on this. They're still happening -- Just most news sources stopped reporting them. See the post from him below.

http://forums.androidcentral.com/sa...-burning-note-7s-past-week-3.html#post5498731

 

[juliesdroidsync]

Then why did Samsung recall the second batch?

THAT is the million dollar question... or 6 Billion dollar question, actually...

Remember that Sammy engineers were indeed able to figure out (almost overnight) what was wrong with batch 1.

Maybe some of those Batch 1 phones may have gotten into the second batch accidentally (dudes in the warehouse are gonna be in BIG trouble! LOL)

I personally believe that in this day and age of people being sue-happy, some people intentionally dropped/damaged/otherwise tried to get their phones to malfunction to make a buck (i.e. - the ones that won't turn them over for review are suspect in my book...),

and if I was LG or Apple, I'd probably pay people to have these incidents. jus' sayin'...

No matter what Sammy knew at that point, or suspected... they were in a no-win situation with the media hysteria. The only thing they could do is the second recall.

My *guess* is that they will never tell us what the defect was because there was no defect...

 

[silverfang77]

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[notacoach]

Jerry already commented on this. They're still happening -- Just most news sources stopped reporting them. See the post from him below.

http://forums.androidcentral.com/sa...-burning-note-7s-past-week-3.html#post5498731

Of course they're not reporting them - theoretically there aren't supposed to be any in the hands of consumers! And consumers who have them aren't going to report them if there's a problem, because liability will fall on them for not having done due diligence and returned their unit as requested.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming - this was supposed to be a thread about the lgv20 if I'm not mistaken?! LOL

 

[Almeuit]

Of course they're not reporting them - theoretically there aren't supposed to be any in the hands of consumers! And consumers who have them aren't going to report them if there's a problem, because liability will fall on them for not having done due diligence and returned their unit as requested.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming - this was supposed to be a thread about the lgv20 if I'm not mistaken?! LOL

It is a thread about the V20 .. The V20 vs. the Note 7 .

 

[frope01]

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Unexpectedly, mine were nearly identical. This is sitting in my bedroom. I did my very best to hold them exactly the same way, moving them even an inch or two makes the numbers go up or down by about 3 dbm. But they are freakishly identical. Maybe you had a bad note 7.

My Note 7 had poor reception. Even went to 3g in places my V20 has no problem getting 4g LTE.

 

[juliesdroidsync]

My Note 7 had poor reception. Even went to 3g in places my V20 has no problem getting 4g LTE.

...and there is always the possibility that I have a "bad" v20, or an unusually good N7, and if I had more of each, I could see the difference.

That's the problem with only having one of each phone to test with... I have to assume that each unit is more or less an accurate representative of the whole lot of them.

What I'm learning from everyone's comments is that "it ain't necessarily so..."

 

[juliesdroidsync]

OK! Get the pitchforks and torches ready!!! (both sides)
I've done a couple of vids as promised.
Let me say... I'm doing the comparison to try and help people, not to convince them of anything one way or the other. With a lot of people saying, "This one is better at x..." and having nothing to actually prove it, I thought I'd try to actually test things to the best of my limited ability.
I already know people will fault my testing... but if you don't have any better side by side testing of your own, please go easy, as any kind of actual testing is probably better than opinion and memory of a device you no longer have in hand...

I also realize that:

1.) I may have an "unusually good" or an "unusually bad" phone out of either batch of the Note 7 or the v20, but at least I have one of each to test side by side.
2.) I do not deny that I am biased toward Sammy, but I really am trying to give the LG every benefit of the doubt.

All that said, Antutu Benchmark testing. I've run the test side by side at least 15 times. The Sammy typically wins, but by less than a 10% margin. However, twice there must have been some errant app in the background because the Sammy threw 2 really low numbers out of nowhere.

Don't judge the display by this video, however. I was still trying to mess with the colors on the display of the v20, and I did not have it very close when I did this test. Also, I twice referred to the LG oversaturation when I meant Samsung... scroll though quickly to the end to see results.

Vid 1 - Benchmark test.
https://youtu.be/Mi94E9SLlGc

 

[juliesdroidsync]

And now to the second set of tests - Signal strength and utilization on wifi and on cellular.

How did I test?

SignalCheck Lite installed on both machines. Rebooted both phones, turned off wireless, and used Speedtest mobile by Ookla.
physically moved the phones until the dbm readings were as close as possible, and then started the tests. Repeated the tests letting the app choose the best servers, and also forced the apps to use the same server. Ran them at the same time, ran them staggered. Ran the tests for wireless in the same way.

Overall...

Signal strength on cellular - the nod definitely goes to the Note 7. This surprised me. Watch the video and see for yourself. <city people will never notice this, I don't think.>

Signal strength on wifi - the nod definitely goes to the v20 here. It consistently was able to utilize the full bandwidth of the service I have, especially on dowload speeds, as the Note 7 was consistently around 15% down. <I think everyone would notice this.>

The video is long, so you might want to jump ahead to the ends of each test, although it is kind of interesting to see how the phones handle the test...

If anyone else has both phones, it would be nice to see similar tests done...

https://youtu.be/PFB8DkURPcE

 

[juliesdroidsync]

I'll be back for the note 9

They'll skip 9 and go to 10... jus' sayin'. There was no Windows 9, was there... ;-)

Why will you skip a year?

 

[silverfang77]

They'll skip 9 and go to 10... jus' sayin'. There was no Windows 9, was there... ;-)

Why will you skip a year?

Perhaps similarly, they'll skip the Note 8 and go straight to 9.

 

[juliesdroidsync]

Perhaps similarly, they'll skip the Note 8 and go straight to 9.

I don't think so... from an article I read, the #9 is apparently bad luck in many cultures.