LGV30 vs Pixel XL 2

[Mike Dee]

But 64+SD is better for people who want to keep a lot of media on device.

There is rumoured to be a 128+SD version of the V30, but on LG's past form that's likely to be a Korean, or maybe Asian, exclusive.

That's the plus model

 

[Aquila]

But 64+SD is better for people who want to keep a lot of media on device.

There is rumoured to be a 128+SD version of the V30, but on LG's past form that's likely to be a Korean, or maybe Asian, exclusive.

I get it, but SD is an unacceptable replacement for internal storage. It's still much slower, much less secure and it is less stable. 128 + SD would be acceptable if it came to all markets, but then they might as well do 128 without the card.

 

[jamezr]

But 64+SD is better for people who want to keep a lot of media on device.

There is rumoured to be a 128+SD version of the V30, but on LG's past form that's likely to be a Korean, or maybe Asian, exclusive.

I agree.....SD cards are great alternative to storing media files. SD cards are proven to be very reliable. Literally millions are sold world wide every day and have proven to be quite stable.

 

[Almeuit]

I will never understand why people are so worried about security. I have been on Android for like 9 years and haven't had a single security issue. If your phone gets hacked, it will be because someone hacked an online database that had your username/email and password or because you fell for a phishing scam. A security update isn't going to protect you from either of those things.

Understand? What is there to understand? You don't care about it so obviously it isn't a big deal for you. It doesn't mean everyone is in the same mindset.

 

[Aquila]

I agree.....SD cards are great alternative to storing media files. SD cards are proven to be very reliable. Literally millions are sold world wide every day and have proven to be quite stable.

lol

 

[Aquila]

Understand? What is there to understand? You don't care about it so obviously it isn't a big deal for you. It doesn't mean everyone is in the same mindset.

For some users it is a top priority. Others clearly don't care at all.

The people who care the most are buying only Google and Apple devices. The next tier of people are people who think it's important, but not enough for them to research what's actually most secure and they're also able to choose from buying TCL Blackberry devices, perhaps the new HMD Nokias. Then all the people who would say they care if you ask them, but take no actions to be more secure other than common sense activities are going to be able to buy LG, Samsung, perhaps HTC. The remainder who legitimately don't care are going to be able to get along with Huawei, Xiaomi, Blu, Oppo, OnePlus, Lenovo/Moto, Sony, ZTE, etc, etc.

Long story short, the less security is a priority for you, the more devices become available to you to choose from.

 

[Ryano89]

LG V30 Pros: Quad DAC

Pixel 2 XL Pros: Better design, better build materials, better software, better security, better support, better storage options, better processer

Too soon to tell: Which has a better display, which has better battery life, which has a better camera. Assumption is that the Pixel 2 XL will win all three of those based on history, but we could be surprised.

Better design? Better build materials? Both phones being roughly the same size made by the same company, out of the same materials. Software, and updates may very well be a win for the XL, but physically I'm expecting the phones to be of similar quality.

 

[Aquila]

Better design? Better build materials? Both phones being roughly the same size made by the same company, out of the same materials. Software, and updates may very well be a win for the XL, but physically I'm expecting the phones to be of similar quality.

LG G6 is going to have the curved glass and a glass back. Flat > curved and metal > glass is how those two got in that order. If you prefer curved and glass, then moved them from Pixel 2 to V30 for your list

 

[JohnMcL7]

I get it, but SD is an unacceptable replacement for internal storage. It's still much slower, much less secure and it is less stable. 128 + SD would be acceptable if it came to all markets, but then they might as well do 128 without the card.

Given micro sd cards are fast enough to record 4k video, I'm not sure why they need to be faster given the internal storage is used for the application memory - the transfer speed is more than fast enough to read HD video which is likely what's going to be used for large amounts of storage. Android supports encrypting the sd card so it's no less secure and I don't know what makes micro sd storage 'less stable', aside from the occasional failure of the SD card I've never had stability issues with sd cards. I can understand those arguments back in the early days of Android when manufacturers were using SD cards as primary storage and only a tiny amount of onboard memory but that's no longer the case.


I quite liked the look of the Pixel but the lack of micro SD storage is a deal breaker, even aside from the crazy price you pay for more onboard storage you don't even get that much - the Pixel XL tops out at just 128GB whereas my three year old Note 4 has 232GB. Furthermore, where money spent on more internal storage stays with the phone the micro SD card can go into other devices so you only pay for it once.

 

[Aquila]

Given micro sd cards are fast enough to record 4k video, I'm not sure why they need to be faster given the internal storage is used for the application memory - the transfer speed is more than fast enough to read HD video which is likely what's going to be used for large amounts of storage. Android supports encrypting the sd card so it's no less secure and I don't know what makes micro sd storage 'less stable', aside from the occasional failure of the SD card I've never had stability issues with sd cards. I can understand those arguments back in the early days of Android when manufacturers were using SD cards as primary storage and only a tiny amount of onboard memory but that's no longer the case.


I quite liked the look of the Pixel but the lack of micro SD storage is a deal breaker, even aside from the crazy price you pay for more onboard storage you don't even get that much - the Pixel XL tops out at just 128GB whereas my three year old Note 4 has 232GB. Furthermore, where money spent on more internal storage stays with the phone the micro SD card can go into other devices so you only pay for it once.

Samsung is developing faster removable storage tech (UFS), when prices come down on that we'll lose the speed argument. Stability and security have never been fixed. Both have been improved, but they're still less stable and less secure than internal storage. Adoptable storage is broken in it's own right, hopefully Google works on a fix for it. It's better than when storage is removable, but every unfriendly to users.

 

[JohnMcL7]

Samsung is developing faster removable storage tech (UFS), when prices come down on that we'll lose the speed argument. Stability and security have never been fixed. Both have been improved, but they're still less stable and less secure than internal storage. Adoptable storage is broken in it's own right, hopefully Google works on a fix for it. It's better than when storage is removable, but every unfriendly to users.

You've still not explained what this extreme speed is needed for? I could understand your point if SD storage was being in used in place of external storage but with 64GB internal memory there's more than enough space for application memory and given SD cards are fast enough to record 4k video in real time, they're hardly slow.

I guess you're right that stability/security have never been fixed because they've never actually been a problem although like your speed comment, you've failed to explain what makes micro SD cards insecure and unstable? Given they can be encrypted to the same degree as internal storage and useless when removed from the phone, they are no less secure than the phone's memory.

There is no problem with stability either aside from the occasional card failure which is also the same problem as internal memory except if the internal memory fails, it's the end of the phone whereas if the external card fails, you can just stick another one in. As microSD cards are generally very reliable these days it's not an issue to be even remotely concerned about.

John

 

[Aquila]

You've still not explained what this extreme speed is needed for? I could understand your point if SD storage was being in used in place of external storage but with 64GB internal memory there's more than enough space for application memory and given SD cards are fast enough to record 4k video in real time, they're hardly slow.

I guess you're right that stability/security have never been fixed because they've never actually been a problem although like your speed comment, you've failed to explain what makes micro SD cards insecure and unstable? Given they can be encrypted to the same degree as internal storage and useless when removed from the phone, they are no less secure than the phone's memory.

There is no problem with stability either aside from the occasional card failure which is also the same problem as internal memory except if the internal memory fails, it's the end of the phone whereas if the external card fails, you can just stick another one in.

John

Woah, you entirely misconstrued what I said and misrepresented it.

 

[JohnMcL7]

Woah, you entirely misconstrued what I said and misrepresented it.

That's what you get when you refuse to explain your points and reply with an almost copy/paste of your first post which is pretty much a copy/paste of manufacturer's reasoning for not including micro SD storage.

I've asked you twice you explain your points, if I'm misrepresenting your post how about third time lucky and you explain your points? I've still to see what you need this extreme speed for, how having the same level of security as internal memory makes micro sd storage less secure and what makes micro sd 'less stable' which doesn't even make sense. I've taken the time to explain my points, now it's your turn.

John

 

[Aquila]

how having the same level of security as internal memory makes micro sd storage less secure

They do not have the same level of security. They do not have the same stability. They do not have the same speed. In all three points, internal storage is performing better and programmatically better suited towards the nature of Android file structures.

There are reams of research available for this, I have no intent of turning this thread into yet another "should we SD or no SD debate". These points have been drawn out to death in dozens of threads, as well as blog posts, research from OEM's, white papers, etc. Feel free to research on your own or keep your preconceptions, as you will.

 

[chriskwarren]

I use the SD card for videos and pictures, music, etc. I don't install apps to it or store app data there, just the camera.

64GB would be big enough for my apps and required data (even cached Google maps I like to use). I don't have storage anxiety on my 32GB Galaxy S7, as I easily have about 7-8GB of free onboard space. My 64GB SD card only has about 5GB of space remaining, however. I put movies, etc on there when I travel. I'll upgrade to a fast 128GB soon.

So for me, the SD card slot is important, and a huge downer for me on the XL 2. Could I get a 128GB model? Sure, but the price increase and availability on that model will make that tough. I can put the cash down on a V30 now, upgrade the SD card storage later on if needed. LG usually has their phones priced much better than Google. Pixel availability was a huge issue here in Canada, especially on the XL line, and especially on the higher storage options.

Software updates are the big advantage for the Pixels obviously. It is a rare person who does not care about updates and new OS features.

I'm hearing that the new Pixels will have water resistance, which I think should be a standard option on flagships these days.

I'll be disappointed if wireless charging is missing on the V30 here in Canada. My understanding is that this is not going to be an option on the XL2 line with that metallic back.

 

[JohnMcL7]

They do not have the same level of security. They do not have the same stability. They do not have the same speed. In all three points, internal storage is performing better and programmatically better suited towards the nature of Android file structures.

There are reams of research available for this, I have no intent of turning this thread into yet another "should we SD or no SD debate". These points have been drawn out to death in dozens of threads, as well as blog posts, research from OEM's, white papers, etc. Feel free to research on your own or keep your preconceptions, as you will.

Right so you've told me I've miscontrued your points so I asked you not copy/paste your last posts and to explain your points, yet you've copy/pasted your last post (three times in a row) and completely to failed ot respond to all my points. I've done my research but you clearly haven't because while I've explained my points you haven't and clearly you can't - your arguments are all years old and long since been resolved, i'ts time to move into this century.

They do have the same level of security, Android can encrypt micro SD cards to the same level as internal memory so that when the sd card is removed from the phone it's worthless to anyone. So you're flat out wrong claiming the security is not as good, I guess you're just not familiar with Android when you keep making these wrong claims.

You keep going on about speed yet you can't tell me what you need this speed for? It's not hard, you're the one that keeps telling me how you need this speed so what do you need it for? I'm not claiming micro SD cards have the same benchmark speeds as internal storage but that's not my point, it's that they don't need to be because the phones have 64GB of memory for application space and caches. Beyond that storage is likely to be needed for media and given micro SD can record 4k video then it's more than fast nough.

These points have been done to death but you've got it the wrong way round - almost everyone has moved back to sd card storage now apart from Apple and Google. I can easily see why manufacturers don't like SD cards and why OEMs would parrot the same incorrect points you do, it's not good for them - sd cards allow consumers to extend the life of their phones and upgrade capacities for much lower than they charge.

John

 

[Mike Dee]

You've still not explained what this extreme speed is needed for? I could understand your point if SD storage was being in used in place of external storage but with 64GB internal memory there's more than enough space for application memory and given SD cards are fast enough to record 4k video in real time, they're hardly slow.

I guess you're right that stability/security have never been fixed because they've never actually been a problem although like your speed comment, you've failed to explain what makes micro SD cards insecure and unstable? Given they can be encrypted to the same degree as internal storage and useless when removed from the phone, they are no less secure than the phone's memory.

There is no problem with stability either aside from the occasional card failure which is also the same problem as internal memory except if the internal memory fails, it's the end of the phone whereas if the external card fails, you can just stick another one in. As microSD cards are generally very reliable these days it's not an issue to be even remotely concerned about.

John

I've found that the Camera for photos is more responsive saving to internal verses external especially for continuous shooting.

 

[Aquila]

Right so you've told me I've miscontrued your points so I asked you not copy/paste your last posts and to explain your points, yet you've copy/pasted your last post (three times in a row) and completely to failed ot respond to all my points. I've done my research but you clearly haven't because while I've explained my points you haven't and clearly you can't - your arguments are all years old and long since been resolved, i'ts time to move into this century.

They do have the same level of security, Android can encrypt micro SD cards to the same level as internal memory so that when the sd card is removed from the phone it's worthless to anyone. So you're flat out wrong claiming the security is not as good, I guess you're just not familiar with Android when you keep making these wrong claims.

You keep going on about speed yet you can't tell me what you need this speed for? It's not hard, you're the one that keeps telling me how you need this speed so what do you need it for? I'm not claiming micro SD cards have the same benchmark speeds as internal storage but that's not my point, it's that they don't need to be because the phones have 64GB of memory for application space and caches. Beyond that storage is likely to be needed for media and given micro SD can record 4k video then it's more than fast nough.

These points have been done to death but you've got it the wrong way round - almost everyone has moved back to sd card storage now apart from Apple and Google. I can easily see why manufacturers don't like SD cards and why OEMs would parrot the same incorrect points you do, it's not good for them - sd cards allow consumers to extend the life of their phones and upgrade capacities for much lower than they charge.

John

My apologies, what I was trying to get across is that we've already spent to many words on this one thing. If you'd like to make another thread so we're not derailing this one, I am happy to provide more detail. I'm trying to avoid these walls of texts on what seems like it's supposed to be a simple, "the V30 does this, that Pixel does that". The V30 is rumored to come with MicroSD card support and the Pixel 2 XL is not.

 

[Aquila]

Has anyone seen whether the LG V30 will support Quick Charge 3.0 or 4.0 and/or USB Power Delivery?

 

[JohnMcL7]

I've found that the Camera for photos is more responsive saving to internal verses external especially for continuous shooting.

Although that's not an issue with the storage speed (micro SD cards easily have the speed to do it), that's only an issue if the phone forces you to use the SD card in place of onboard storage as it was in early Android days and thankfully not now. With microSD storage, I use the onboard storage for application memory and stuff like taking photos while the micro SD is used for longer term media storage particularly mp3/HD video which there is no speed problem to read from

John