LTE Poll Question

[TheUI]

It is. He said point blank he could not go back to iOS after using Jelly bean.

I just watched the review and he actually never says that. He says, "the iPhone 5 is the best smartphone for the mass market," and that "some user's himself included would like to see smartphone OSes evolve."

So, there is that.

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[Woosh]

Then explain how apple is able to support LTE for a vast majority of networks worldwide on the iPhone 5.

The argument google is making makes absolutely no sense in light of newer Qualcomm chipsets that are as efficient as possible in the current market. They should have just been honest and said that the carriers suck so they're refusing to work with them, because that's the truth.

Apple made 9 billion ish in sales last quarter and you are having a hard time understanding how they can do it?

Why not look at the amount of lte that is deployed in comparison to straight gsm carriers. The number is very tiny. I agree with them....there will be a time that lte is important to provide....now is not that time.

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[TheUI]

Apple made 9 billion ish in sales last quarter and you are having a hard time understanding how they can do it?

Why not look at the amount of lte that is deployed in comparison to straight gsm carriers. The number is very tiny. I agree with them....there will be a time that lte is important to provide....now is not that time.

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Bingo.

First of all the iP5 costs what, $600 off contract? So unless that is a $250 radio, something doesn't add up.

Second, VZW is basically the only carrier on Earth with a substantial LTE footprint. The point of the Nexus is to sidestep as many "fringe" frequencies as possible in order to design a truly unchained phone (or as possible as that can be for a single device).

I have to ask, what is the point of "covering all LTE networks whenever carrier shenanigans wont even allow you to use that amazing iPhone radio from Sprint on T-Mobile? Maybe it has more to do with logistics and production costs than it does pursing a free range mobile handset.

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[JHBThree]

I just watched the review and he actually never says that. He says, "the iPhone 5 is the best smartphone for the mass market," and that "some user's himself included would like to see smartphone OSes evolve."

So, there is that.

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Actually read his review.

 

[JHBThree]

Apple made 9 billion ish in sales last quarter and you are having a hard time understanding how they can do it?

Why not look at the amount of lte that is deployed in comparison to straight gsm carriers. The number is very tiny. I agree with them....there will be a time that lte is important to provide....now is not that time.

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What apple makes has nothing to do with it. The fact is that multiple carriers are launching LTE service soon around the world, and this nexus won't be able to take advantage of it.

 

[TheUI]

Actually read his review.

So what he typed has more gravity than what he says? Lmao.

Anyway, whatever man, enjoy your tech. Cheers! :beer:

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[JHBThree]

Bingo.

First of all the iP5 costs what, $600 off contract? So unless that is a $250 radio, something doesn't add up.

That's apple pricing. They could sell it at $400 and not break a sweat.

Second, VZW is basically the only carrier on Earth with a substantial LTE footprint. The point of the Nexus is to sidestep as many "fringe" frequencies as possible in order to design a truly unchained phone (or as possible as that can be for a single device).

Not true. There are multiple full-scale LTE networks around the world, and the ones that are launching soon already have spectrum assigned.

I have to ask, what is the point of "covering all LTE networks whenever carrier shenanigans wont even allow you to use that amazing iPhone radio from Sprint on T-Mobile? Maybe it has more to do with logistics and production costs than it does pursing a free range mobile handset.

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It has nothing to do with production costs and logistics. It has everything to do with google being shortsighted and choosing not to support a technology that will be incredibly important in short order.

Their logic doesn't even add up; based on what Rubin said, we won't see another LTE nexus until 2014-2015 at the earliest.

 

[Woosh]

What apple makes has nothing to do with it. The fact is that multiple carriers are launching LTE service soon around the world, and this nexus won't be able to take advantage of it.

It has very much to do with it. They can make demands to carriers and they will comply because they see dollar signs. How do you know Verizon didn't tell Google to bug off if they offered them the phone.

The point is Google has no business adding lte unless the carriers are on board.

Multiple carriers launching lte soon means it isn't ready now to make a difference. Next year maybe lte will be more prevalent and they can make some more deals if this is successful.

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[JHBThree]

So what he typed has more gravity than what he says? Lmao.

Anyway, whatever man, enjoy your tech. Cheers! :beer:

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When he goes into more detail, yes. Here's the written portion, since you don't seem inclined to actually go find it yourself:

Maybe you'll call me an Android fanboy for saying this, or maybe it's because much of my business utilizes Google apps and its communication tools, but it didn't take me very long with the iPhone 5 to start thinking about getting back to the Galaxy Nexus and Jelly Bean (Android 4.1). For what I do, I think it's a more effective, more elegant, and more powerful OS right now. What it may lack in polish and consistency, it makes up for in power and flexibility.

 

[JHBThree]

It has very much to do with it. They can make demands to carriers and they will comply because they see dollar signs. How do you know Verizon didn't tell Google to bug off if they offered them the phone.

The point is Google has no business adding lte unless the carriers are on board.

Multiple carriers launching lte soon means it isn't ready now to make a difference. Next year maybe lte will be more prevalent and they can make some more deals if this is successful.

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You're not quite understanding; google admitted they chose not to include LTE, not that the carriers said no or anything of the sort.

Further, they have the tech already because the Optimus g, which is for all intents and purposes the nexus 4s twin, has full LTE support. The chip the G uses supports all current LTE networks, and any that will be launching any time within the next two years.

If google were truly interested in creating the type of device they claim to be, they would have exerted the considerable force they have to allow the devices onto carrier networks. (And don't try to claim they have no influence, because the number of android devices out there, and the revenue they bring in for carriers, says otherwise )

 

[Woosh]

You're not quite understanding; google admitted they chose not to include LTE, not that the carriers said no or anything of the sort.

Further, they have the tech already because the Optimus g, which is for all intents and purposes the nexus 4s twin, has full LTE support. The chip the G uses supports all current LTE networks, and any that will be launching any time within the next two years.

If google were truly interested in creating the type of device they claim to be, they would have exerted the considerable force they have to allow the devices onto carrier networks. (And don't try to claim they have no influence, because the number of android devices out there, and the revenue they bring in for carriers, says otherwise )

It doesn't actually matter what they told the press. Just because they gave an answer on the matter doesn't mean its the whole truth.

SAMSUNG has power with carriers because their phones sell. The amount of Google phones that sold last year was SOOOOOO SMALL. They have 0 power with the carriers unless you are suggesting that they pull Android from every phone maker unless the carriers play ball.

4G LTE Network | Verizon Wireless

Take a look at all the holes in that stupid map. This is ONE network. The iPhone currently has 3 iPhone SKUs for just the US to have LTE, Google wanted to keep one fully unlocked phone without carrier limitations and they went the route they needed to go.

You may not like it, but they don't need LTE right now. Hopefully networks will open up in the future. Since LTE is supposed to be an open network. We'll see.

 

[TheUI]

When he goes into more detail, yes. Here's the written portion, since you don't seem inclined to actually go find it yourself:

Still, my back peddling friend, you are proving me right. Since you are too proud to redact your first statement, I won't bruise your ego by pointing out your cavalier approach to hyperbole demonstrated earlier in this thread.

Second, name another carrier (besides VZW) that has a significant LTE footprint (including coverage in rural areas). Hint: "Bunches of lots," for all of its vague charisma doesn't count.

Third, Bro; show some class and stop trying to pi55 in everyone's Cheerios. If you want to make a statement and open a dialog concerning, anything really, practice reeling in your exaggerative tendencies, and focus on facts. Falling back on the logical fallacy of generalization is lazy and not really respectable or relevant.

If you want to talk about this, lets talk about it - but so far its been an exercise in you trying to prove "you're right," whatever the hell that even means or is worth on a smartphone forum. - who cares?

:beer: Dig? :beer:

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[TheUI]

It is. He said point blank he could not go back to iOS after using Jelly bean.

Oh, and in case you forgot, have a peek at your totalitarian statement here, and ask yourself if "thinking about" matches its criteria.

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[DirkBelig]

It has nothing to do with production costs and logistics. It has everything to do with google being shortsighted and choosing not to support a technology that will be incredibly important in short order.

I am sooooooooooooo sick and tired of the whiny emo nerd ragers sneering that Google has epic failed because they chose to stick with solidly established HSPA bands instead of half-arsing it with LTE. Do us all a favor and go buy a phone from a more visionary maker and spare us the noise, mmmkay? I'm sure there are plenty of unlocked LTE phones with similar specs for $350. Go get 'em!

It's doubly funny when people whine that Apple can support LTE around the world WHEN THEY DON'T FULLY! Read this: Want global LTE roaming on iPhone 5? Don

Any iPhone 5 will be able to roam internationally by falling back to 3G networks, but Verizon and Sprint iPhones will enjoy 4G LTE speeds throughout much of the globe because they support five LTE bands. According to Apple, the AT&T iPhone 5 will support only two LTE bands:

The difference is crucial. If you cross-reference the LTE bands shown above with a list of LTE band usage by country, you find that the AT&T iPhone 5 will be able to access LTE networks only in the US, Canada, and Puerto Rico. The Verizon and Sprint iPhone 5 will get LTE speeds in the US as well as in at least some—but perhaps not all—of these countries: UK, Philippines, Sweden, Angola, Australia, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Hong Kong, Hungary, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Namibia, Poland, Singapore, South Korea, Uzbekistan, and the United Arab Emirates.

UK speeds may particularly be a problem, because the Verizon/Sprint iPhone supports the LTE band used by Everything Everywhere, but not the bands that will be used by the UK's three other major carriers.

Nor will the Verizon and Sprint versions be compatible with LTE networks in Canada, it turns out. If you shuttle between the US and Canada but never go further afield, AT&T may still be the best choice. However, as a plus for T-Mobile, the AT&T unit will support T-Mobile's imminent LTE rollout, giving the prospect of better-than-EDGE speeds on that network for the first time (if you can buy an unlocked phone and use it with T-Mobile). The Verizon/Sprint iPhone model will not support the LTE band to be used by T-Mobile.

Got all that? Hope your home carrier carries the version that works with the countries around the world you may travel to. There are no standards and even Almighty Apple has quietly fragmented their market and will be screwing over their iSuckers when they travel.

Meanwhile, mean ol' short-sighted Google has delivered a phone that does one thing: WORK ON EVERY GSM BAND IN THE WORLD!!! Go anywhere, buy a local SIM, whack it in, throw a couple of these: \m/ \m/

For a measly $350, you can buy a powerhouse handset that works everywhere in the world and frees you from contracts and overpriced service. Compared to what AT&T charges for the same service as Simple Talk, the phone itself will be paid for by the savings in service alone in about 7-8 months. FREE PHONE and no ETFs!

Wake me when LTE becomes incredibly important. I'll be here sleeping on my mattress filled with the money I've saved.

 

[Woosh]

I am sooooooooooooo sick and tired of the whiny emo nerd ragers sneering that Google has epic failed because they chose to stick with solidly established HSPA bands instead of half-arsing it with LTE. Do us all a favor and go buy a phone from a more visionary maker and spare us the noise, mmmkay? I'm sure there are plenty of unlocked LTE phones with similar specs for $350. Go get 'em!

It's doubly funny when people whine that Apple can support LTE around the world WHEN THEY DON'T FULLY! Read this: Want global LTE roaming on iPhone 5? Don

Any iPhone 5 will be able to roam internationally by falling back to 3G networks, but Verizon and Sprint iPhones will enjoy 4G LTE speeds throughout much of the globe because they support five LTE bands. According to Apple, the AT&T iPhone 5 will support only two LTE bands:

The difference is crucial. If you cross-reference the LTE bands shown above with a list of LTE band usage by country, you find that the AT&T iPhone 5 will be able to access LTE networks only in the US, Canada, and Puerto Rico. The Verizon and Sprint iPhone 5 will get LTE speeds in the US as well as in at least some—but perhaps not all—of these countries: UK, Philippines, Sweden, Angola, Australia, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Hong Kong, Hungary, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Namibia, Poland, Singapore, South Korea, Uzbekistan, and the United Arab Emirates.

UK speeds may particularly be a problem, because the Verizon/Sprint iPhone supports the LTE band used by Everything Everywhere, but not the bands that will be used by the UK's three other major carriers.

Nor will the Verizon and Sprint versions be compatible with LTE networks in Canada, it turns out. If you shuttle between the US and Canada but never go further afield, AT&T may still be the best choice. However, as a plus for T-Mobile, the AT&T unit will support T-Mobile's imminent LTE rollout, giving the prospect of better-than-EDGE speeds on that network for the first time (if you can buy an unlocked phone and use it with T-Mobile). The Verizon/Sprint iPhone model will not support the LTE band to be used by T-Mobile.

Got all that? Hope your home carrier carries the version that works with the countries around the world you may travel to. There are no standards and even Almighty Apple has quietly fragmented their market and will be screwing over their iSuckers when they travel.

Meanwhile, mean ol' short-sighted Google has delivered a phone that does one thing: WORK ON EVERY GSM BAND IN THE WORLD!!! Go anywhere, buy a local SIM, whack it in, throw a couple of these: \m/ \m/

For a measly $350, you can buy a powerhouse handset that works everywhere in the world and frees you from contracts and overpriced service. Compared to what AT&T charges for the same service as Simple Talk, the phone itself will be paid for by the savings in service alone in about 7-8 months. FREE PHONE and no ETFs!

Wake me when LTE becomes incredibly important. I'll be here sleeping on my mattress filled with the money I've saved.

Almost a perfect post.....But its Straight Talk.

 

[TheUI]

I am sooooooooooooo sick and tired of the whiny emo nerd ragers sneering that Google has epic failed because they chose to stick with solidly established HSPA bands instead of half-arsing it with LTE. Do us all a favor and go buy a phone from a more visionary maker and spare us the noise, mmmkay? I'm sure there are plenty of unlocked LTE phones with similar specs for $350. Go get 'em!

It's doubly funny when people whine that Apple can support LTE around the world WHEN THEY DON'T FULLY! Read this: Want global LTE roaming on iPhone 5? Don

Any iPhone 5 will be able to roam internationally by falling back to 3G networks, but Verizon and Sprint iPhones will enjoy 4G LTE speeds throughout much of the globe because they support five LTE bands. According to Apple, the AT&T iPhone 5 will support only two LTE bands:

The difference is crucial. If you cross-reference the LTE bands shown above with a list of LTE band usage by country, you find that the AT&T iPhone 5 will be able to access LTE networks only in the US, Canada, and Puerto Rico. The Verizon and Sprint iPhone 5 will get LTE speeds in the US as well as in at least some?but perhaps not all?of these countries: UK, Philippines, Sweden, Angola, Australia, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Hong Kong, Hungary, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Namibia, Poland, Singapore, South Korea, Uzbekistan, and the United Arab Emirates.

UK speeds may particularly be a problem, because the Verizon/Sprint iPhone supports the LTE band used by Everything Everywhere, but not the bands that will be used by the UK's three other major carriers.

Nor will the Verizon and Sprint versions be compatible with LTE networks in Canada, it turns out. If you shuttle between the US and Canada but never go further afield, AT&T may still be the best choice. However, as a plus for T-Mobile, the AT&T unit will support T-Mobile's imminent LTE rollout, giving the prospect of better-than-EDGE speeds on that network for the first time (if you can buy an unlocked phone and use it with T-Mobile). The Verizon/Sprint iPhone model will not support the LTE band to be used by T-Mobile.

Got all that? Hope your home carrier carries the version that works with the countries around the world you may travel to. There are no standards and even Almighty Apple has quietly fragmented their market and will be screwing over their iSuckers when they travel.

Meanwhile, mean ol' short-sighted Google has delivered a phone that does one thing: WORK ON EVERY GSM BAND IN THE WORLD!!! Go anywhere, buy a local SIM, whack it in, throw a couple of these: \m/ \m/

For a measly $350, you can buy a powerhouse handset that works everywhere in the world and frees you from contracts and overpriced service. Compared to what AT&T charges for the same service as Simple Talk, the phone itself will be paid for by the savings in service alone in about 7-8 months. FREE PHONE and no ETFs!

Wake me when LTE becomes incredibly important. I'll be here sleeping on my mattress filled with the money I've saved.

And this is a grade A example of backing your noise up.

Well done, not because we agree (which we do - HSPA+ like the rest of the Nexus is incredibly practical) but because of how informative this post is.

Well played.

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[TheUI]

Almost a perfect post.....But its Straight Talk.

You would Whoosh. Haha!

 

[JHBThree]

Still, my back peddling friend, you are proving me right. Since you are too proud to redact your first statement, I won't bruise your ego by pointing out your cavalier approach to hyperbole demonstrated earlier in this thread.

Second, name another carrier (besides VZW) that has a significant LTE footprint (including coverage in rural areas). Hint: "Bunches of lots," for all of its vague charisma doesn't count.

Third, Bro; show some class and stop trying to pi55 in everyone's Cheerios. If you want to make a statement and open a dialog concerning, anything really, practice reeling in your exaggerative tendencies, and focus on facts. Falling back on the logical fallacy of generalization is lazy and not really respectable or relevant.

If you want to talk about this, lets talk about it - but so far its been an exercise in you trying to prove "you're right," whatever the hell that even means or is worth on a smartphone forum. - who cares?

:beer: Dig? :beer:

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Read what he said. He said jelly bean and his nexus were better and that he could not go back to iOS after using them. That is exactly what I said. You were wrong, so deal with it.

 

[Fairclough]

I coudn't justify myself an extra $200 for LTE particularly when prepaid in Australia cannot use it.

 

[TheUI]

I coudn't justify myself an extra $200 for LTE particularly when prepaid in Australia cannot use it.

Yeah, the bare-bones, essential point is that HSPA+ 42 is plenty fast and the difference between it and LTE is going to be negligible in day to day use, also GSM and the HSPA standard is far more established and far more relevant to far more people right now. Today. And for the next year, that will remain the case. For example, Sprint's Network Vision is slated to be completed by late 2013 - early 2014. That is a year away. And, in that year, savings of over $1,000 dollars can be had - effectively meaning the phone paid for its damn self.

Google wanted to reach as many people with a very acceptable standard as it possibly could, while keeping the product very affordable and very flexible. They've done really well here. IMO.