Majority of Android phones are not "junk" phones
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Nowhere in this quote is the word "worse". Project Butter improves performance on any device, and Project Svelte makes sure it has less impact on memory limitations. You seem to be trying to make a connection between having limited memory and the UI becoming laggy or unresponsive. Having low memory impacts how many apps can be kept in the background. A laggy or unresponsive UI has to do with CPU speed, which is why Project Butter ramps it up when it sees a touch event. That did take up some memory before Svelte. Now with Svelte, that footprint has been reduced to the point where it was before Butter.
Your quote from said engineer:
"The first thing that I was working on was Project Butter to make the system smoother," explained Google Head of Engineering Dave Burke in an interview with ReadWrite. "The thing is, butter puts on weight. So then I did Project Svelte to lose weight. So now my contribution to Android is basically zero."
Cheap? The version with the considerable memory is $399 and that's bordering on Flagship cost.
I love that you're really having to strain to find articles, often with just a couple replies that have experienced lag. Just makes it that much funnier. I can guarantee that searching Android lag on Google or Bing would have so many more results that were so much more applicable.
Bottom end Android is serious trouble yet. 4.1 and 1GB with 4GB storage is like Windows Vista with 1GB and 40GB storage. You get speed issues, crash issues, need to factory reset, often weak battery/antenna/camera/SoC. I was encouraged by the Optimus F3 until reports came in that the dreaded /userdata/ filling up and or corrupting just like 2.x was still hanging around.
If Google can finally solve some of its longstanding issues, maybe a late 4.x design can be like Windows 7 for phones. Because yes, there are a lot of prepaid junk phones. Like the S4 Mini.
If Google can finally solve some of its longstanding issues, maybe a late 4.x design can be like Windows 7 for phones. Because yes, there are a lot of prepaid junk phones. Like the S4 Mini.
It isn't an iOS phone, or a Windows phone. It is an Android phone, so yes, Android lags.
LOL "bordering"...a 32 gig iPhone 5S is $300 on contract(!) at major carriers - iPhone 5s - Buy iPhone 5s in 16GB, 32GB, or 64GB - Apple Store (U.S.) - The unlocked version is $750. Verizon's Galaxy S5 is $700 - Amazon.com: Samsung Galaxy S5, Black 16GB (Verizon Wireless): Cell Phones & Accessories (thats just the 16 gig version btw) - and the 32-gig HTC One M8 is $650.
Half the price of flagship phones is not "bordering" heh heh
The strain is finding the articles with the right definition of lag...most results talk about how awful Windows Phone marketshare is and how nobody wants to buy it.
A couple of experiences? So we went from "OMG Windows Phone has no lag" to "Well, only certain versions have lag" to "Well, all version have lag but it's not a lot".
You can't really have expected that no one would call you on such an obviously ridiculous claim. Especially on an Android forum.
Which part of that video shows Android lagging? Give me the time index. kthx.
Here's the video again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI8snnLpEDE
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No it does not. It has Android underneath, but Android as it is (AOSP KitKat) does not lag. You can spin it any way you like, but it will still not be true.
and the 920 was $429.99, sorry people like spending money on overpriced clunkers?
Pre-Portico had a bug in messaging that after you factory reset a phone or if you transferred from a WP7-WP8 device it would continuously be updating your messages to bring them all back. For instance, my phone had about 4 gigs of just text messages. It took forever to recover all of those to the phone. During the duration that it was doing that which spanned maybe two weeks, it'd be slow loading the messaging app because the server roll out of all the backed up text messages was poorly handled. It was a bug, it has long since been resolved. Should we talk about the first 8 major Android updates and how stable they were?
The specific excuse does not change the fact that you were wrong. You either did not know it or deliberately glossed over it. And this is why I always ask for evidence. This is why I am not willing to just take your word for it.
As for Android...we can talk about the now. Because the now is all that matters in this context. If I release an alpha OS tomorrow, how would you react if I said "OMG you can't compare it to Windows Phone...after all what was Windows Phone like at this stage" lol. No one cares what the excuses are.
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We can, but it might be embarrassing to WP to show how Android became so popular in such a small span of time. In 4 years after the HTC Magic, Android captured over half of over all smartphone market share. It'll be 4 years WP has been on the market in October and you just now hit 4%.
Yeah, that would be embarrassing, let's just skip that part.
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Wait... Did you just, in the same statement, justify using old data and then tell me it was wrong for me to do so? That seems contradictory. I was aware of the issue as it stood going on two years ago. One messaging issue that took no time at all to fix as opposed to framework they still can't get running on low end hardware. The only reason that it even seems usable on the Moto G and E is that, all of 2-3 years ago, that was top of the line flagship hardware. I love that the people who engineer the platforms willingly admit to, and even joke about the faults and yet the members here won't.
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Wait... You went into a market with no one in it and there was money to be made? Someone alert the presses, we've discovered the most rudimentary point in all of economics.
Wait... Did you just, in the same statement, justify using old data and then tell me it was wrong for me to do so? That seems contradictory. I was aware of the issue as it stood going on two years ago. One messaging issue that took no time at all to fix as opposed to framework they still can't get running on low end hardware. The only reason that it even seems usable on the Moto G and E is that, all of 2-3 years ago, that was top of the line flagship hardware. I love that the people who engineer the platforms willingly admit to, and even joke about the faults and yet the members here won't.
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Wait... You went into a market with no one in it and there was money to be made? Someone alert the presses, we've discovered the most rudimentary point in all of economics.
Re: Majority of Android phones are not "junk" phones
Most Android phones used right now are running Jellybean or above. And are not as laggy as the stereotypes would have you believe, and Windows phones are not as lag-free as you originally implied.
Even if that were completely true, it would not matter. Why is it our fault Microsoft dragged it's feet for 3 years? Who forced them to do that? All the consumer will care about is what is "now", not excuses or what might have been. Which explains WP's current marketshare numbers.
If it is taken in context, you will find it is not contradictory.
Most Android phones used right now are running Jellybean or above. And are not as laggy as the stereotypes would have you believe, and Windows phones are not as lag-free as you originally implied.
Yeah, Apple and Blackberry were not there at all. It was all our imagination.
Even if that were completely true, it would not matter. Why is it our fault Microsoft dragged it's feet for 3 years? Who forced them to do that? All the consumer will care about is what is "now", not excuses or what might have been. Which explains WP's current marketshare numbers.
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Re: Majority of Android phones are not "junk" phones
Windows Mobile, BlackBerry and iOS were all there. Don't try to excuse Microsoft for being lazy. Why does it take 3 dang years for WP to do anything? That is the sad part. Even then, WP still does not have the pull to get consumers from their iPhones and Galaxy devices, and because of that fact they are still sitting at low single digit marketshare.
Windows Mobile, BlackBerry and iOS were all there. Don't try to excuse Microsoft for being lazy. Why does it take 3 dang years for WP to do anything? That is the sad part. Even then, WP still does not have the pull to get consumers from their iPhones and Galaxy devices, and because of that fact they are still sitting at low single digit marketshare.
Re: Majority of Android phones are not "junk" phones
Yet they are more lag-free than just about any Android phone, especially Samesung.
Yet they are more lag-free than just about any Android phone, especially Samesung.
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Re: Majority of Android phones are not "junk" phones
And yet they can never hope to sell anything close to the number of phones Samsung sells, imagine that.
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And yet they can never hope to sell anything close to the number of phones Samsung sells, imagine that.
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Re: Majority of Android phones are not "junk" phones
On the low end, no, Apple was not. BBOS wasn't an iPhone alternative. It was a business device. The games were about as compelling as Nokia's Snake.
On the low end, no, Apple was not. BBOS wasn't an iPhone alternative. It was a business device. The games were about as compelling as Nokia's Snake.
Re: Majority of Android phones are not "junk" phones
Oh yeah and most Android Phones are on GB forward. most of those phones are also low end (There was no considerable low end Android prior to the Moto G) and thus don't meet the spec requirements that GB-Jellybean require to be even decent.
Oh yeah and most Android Phones are on GB forward. most of those phones are also low end (There was no considerable low end Android prior to the Moto G) and thus don't meet the spec requirements that GB-Jellybean require to be even decent.
I feel like we just had this conversation.
Anyways, this post seems relevant to the issue of lag: http://forums.androidcentral.com/sa...-galaxy-s5-lag-does-doesnt-2.html#post3587419
This post seems relevant to the trolling: http://forums.androidcentral.com/phone-wars/391804-android-foundation-os-5.html#post3668555
Finally, what's the point of this argument or debate or whatever? If you guys want to go on about this forever that's cool, but I'm trying to understand what the two or more positions are here and it is very convoluted. Maybe if we each stated our premise or thesis and then organized logical points with appropriate transitions between them and then offered evidence or logical argument against those points of others with which we disagree, this might get resolved or at least be easier to follow.
#CarryOn
(yeah that's a hashtag, it's that kind of day)
Anyways, this post seems relevant to the issue of lag: http://forums.androidcentral.com/sa...-galaxy-s5-lag-does-doesnt-2.html#post3587419
This post seems relevant to the trolling: http://forums.androidcentral.com/phone-wars/391804-android-foundation-os-5.html#post3668555
Finally, what's the point of this argument or debate or whatever? If you guys want to go on about this forever that's cool, but I'm trying to understand what the two or more positions are here and it is very convoluted. Maybe if we each stated our premise or thesis and then organized logical points with appropriate transitions between them and then offered evidence or logical argument against those points of others with which we disagree, this might get resolved or at least be easier to follow.
#CarryOn
(yeah that's a hashtag, it's that kind of day)
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