Mr Mobile U 11 review

[gendo667]

That's why I added the "with exceptions" clause at the end. However the day I hear the same condescending tone, liberal use of satire, and resentful mood during a review for something Samsung or Apple makes, I might draw a different conclusion towards the perceived bias and double-standard from these reviewers. Case in point:

These reviewers weren't clamoring for wireless charging until Samsung did it. HTC wasn't given the same credence when they did it.

Water resistance wasn't an expected feature until Samsung implemented it. Sony was not given the same credence when they did it.

Tiny bezels weren't a trend to follow until Samsung implemented it. Sharp and Xiaomi weren't given the same credence when they did it.

Loading the camera software with bells and whistles wasn't a good thing until Samsung or Apple did it. Prior to, they were just gimmicky and probably wouldn't be that useful for users (ex. HTC selective focus, Sony's live masking feature, HTC Zoe pre-capture feature, etc.,)

Apple iPhone's differ little in design per iteration, but that's not a bad thing because people will put a case on them. The HTC M9 didn't deviate much from the M8, and it was Armageddon. This coming from the Verge.

With that said, not liking a device or providing criticism isn't the issue. When clear disinterest is displayed along with hypocrisy, that's when I question why they even bother with the "review" to begin with. Why not skip it, instead of tormenting themselves with having to cover it?

We're been through this at the beginning of this thread. I'm not doing this again. I respect your opinion, but it sounds like you're gripe is with company's with resources and marketing rather than the U11 getting somewhat mixed reviews.

 

[Habiib]

We're been through this at the beginning of this thread. I'm not doing this again. I respect your opinion, but it sounds like you're gripe is with company's with resources and marketing rather than the U11 getting somewhat mixed reviews.

Sorry but that's not even remotely close. My comments target tech writers and reviewers. I'm not sure where you're getting the company (and their resources) angle from? They are given preferential treatment, I think, but again that's on the reviewer.

 

[gendo667]

Sorry but that's not even remotely close. My comments target tech writers and reviewers. I'm not sure where you're getting the company (and their resources) angle from? They are given preferential treatment, I think, but again that's on the reviewer.

Okay.

 

[Stevenmc8602]

We're been through this at the beginning of this thread. I'm not doing this again. I respect your opinion, but it sounds like you're gripe is with company's with resources and marketing rather than the U11 getting somewhat mixed reviews.

Lol how did u get that from what he just typed? He clearly stated that when other manufacturers do something reviewers are not really praising it but when Samsung or Apple does the same exact thing reviewers act like they just invented the wheel and now everyone else has to follow that "standard" even though they've already done it before and it didn't work for them

 

[gendo667]

You HTC people are a tough crowd. I'm just saying I've read/watched glowing, positive reviews of other devices this year. You guys act like nobody else gets positive reviews.

Also, everyone takes from everyone in this industry. When is the last time you saw a Sony commercial touting their features. Same with Sharp. I get it, sometimes certain OEMs don't get credit. Perhaps if they did SOMETHING to increase their market share, things might improve.

 

[Habiib]

You HTC people are a tough crowd. I'm just saying I've read/watched glowing, positive reviews of other devices this year. You guys act like nobody else gets positive reviews.

Also, everyone takes from everyone in this industry. When is the last time you saw a Sony commercial touting their features. Same with Sharp. I get it, sometimes certain OEMs don't get credit. Perhaps if they did SOMETHING to increase their market share, things might improve.

I don't get how an HTC supporter can be tough, when clearly concrete examples are being used to support whatever assertion they make. Soooooooo reviewers will give them (anyone other than Samsung or Apple) credit or favorable treatment after they do something to increase their market share. Would you then agree that said reviewers are full of hypocrisy, have no credibility, AND are CLEARLY biased towards all things Apple and Samsung.

Again, the argument IS NOT about others not receiving glowing reviews nor if a reviewer likes a device. It's about the tech writers being unilaterally fair with their critiques, giving preferential treatment, not judging all products to the same standard or level of integrity, and placing manufacturers on a pedestal based not on the merits of their products, but rather based on the popularity of the brand.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Mod Note: Please keep all discussions civil

It's totally fine to disagree, but do keep all rebuttals civil.

 

[gendo667]

I think you have to look at the space in time we're in. IMO, and advancements​ made in 2017 isn't function, but design. HTC once excelled at design, which may be a part of your point. Reviewers remember the HTC of old. This plays against HTC.

Apart from that, HTC does not, nor has ever had the resources to compete with Apple or Samsung. Or LG, Huawei for that matter. If they had the resources, perhaps they could make a dint in the market. More/better ads. Retail space at brick and mortar locations. They need a bigger presence in the public eye.

Bad design, no retail space, no advertising.

Responding to Habiib. Forgot to quote.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

I think you have to look at the space in time we're in. IMO, and advancements​ made in 2017 isn't function, but design. HTC once excelled at design, which may be a part of your point. Reviewers remember the HTC of old. This plays against HTC.

Apart from that, HTC does not, nor has ever had the resources to compete with Apple or Samsung. Or LG, Huawei for that matter. If they had the resources, perhaps they could make a dint in the market. More/better ads. Retail space at brick and mortar locations. They need a bigger presence in the public eye.

Bad design, no retail space, no advertising.

Responding to Habiib. Forgot to quote.

I don't think HTC is bad at design per se.

It's just that everyone caught up.

When the One M7 and M8 were a thing, a metal smartphone was unlike any other and felt really refreshing.

Now it's pretty much standard fare.

 

[gendo667]

I don't think HTC is bad at design per se.

It's just that everyone caught up.

When the One M7 and M8 were a thing, a metal smartphone was unlike any other and felt really refreshing.

Now it's pretty much standard fare.

You don't. Habiib doesn't. Perhaps the reviewers don't agree and hold HTC to a higher standard given their past. You've pointed this out yourself. People have their opinions. Some just happen to review phones.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

You don't. Habiib doesn't. Perhaps the reviewers don't agree and hold HTC to a higher standard given their past. You've pointed this out yourself. People have their opinions. Some just happen to review phones.

I still maintain my ethos that there should be a mix of praise and criticism in any review.

However, I do somewhat agree with him that some reviewers just seem to not be that interested in HTCs. Despite that, a lot of the reviews I've seen were pretty positive on the U11.

 

[gendo667]

I still maintain my ethos that there should be a mix of praise and criticism in any review.

However, I do somewhat agree with him that some reviewers just seem to not be that interested in HTCs. Despite that, a lot of the reviews I've seen were pretty positive on the U11.

By no means I'm I saying nobody should like the phone. To each their own. I just get where Mr. Fisher was coming from. It's not like he damned the phone. There were positive aspects to he's review.

 

[Habiib]

By no means I'm I saying nobody should like the phone. To each their own. I just get where Mr. Fisher was coming from. It's not like he damned the phone. There were positive aspects to he's review.

With that in mind, check the tone of Mr. Fisher's review. It was noted many times in the comments section of the video. He seemed completely disinterested from the very beginning, not to mention his outro painted a picture of him seeming to be reluctant to do the review.

With that said, I'm still trying to connect the dots between your point about HTC's market presence, past performance, etc. and how reviewers have a double-standard with the level of criticism they have between AppleSung products and the others (this includes features they treat as being the defacto standard since AppleSung​ use them). I'm not seeing the correlation here. Maybe you can clarify?

 

[gendo667]

You kinda come across like you can't believe someone might just not like the phone. If it's a bad review, or someone's​ tone isn't positive, they must be in somebody's pocket. I've tried to give you options as to why this may be so. If I've caused and tension in the thread, I'm sorry. I'll take a step back.

 

[Stevenmc8602]

Lol habiib give it up... I think gendo667 is reading something u aren't typing... No one is harder on HTC than the habiib guy... At one point I thought he was on an anti-htc campaign...

But gendo667 no one is saying everybody has to like the u11 but it was clear by the tone of Mr Mobile that he didn't want to even talk about the phone, even the "positive" points came off forced... All this could've been avoided had it been a written review only.

I was bothered by him trying to say everyone that didn't agree with his review were a part of the elevate community that was just trying to smear his name bc he doesn't exactly like the phone.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Lol habiib give it up... I think gendo667 is reading something u aren't typing... No one is harder on HTC than the habiib guy... At one point I thought he was on an anti-htc campaign...

But gendo667 no one is saying everybody has to like the u11 but it was clear by the tone of Mr Mobile that he didn't want to even talk about the phone, even the "positive" points came off forced... All this could've been avoided had it been a written review only.

I was bothered by him trying to say everyone that didn't agree with his review were a part of the elevate community that was just trying to smear his name bc he doesn't exactly like the phone.

I still think HTC should have reworded the Elevate thing from the get-go.

A lot of us did have some bad mojo from how it was worded, even though it was never HTC's intention to essentially pay for positivity.

Regardless, they did so and all is well again. My thoughts on the phone itself did not change.

 

[MDMcAtee]

I still maintain my ethos that there should be a mix of praise and criticism in any review.

Absolutely correct... There should be..

My issue goes deeper, not just with the review in question, but just about every reviewer today. If any reviewed phone doesn't emulate either a Galaxy or iPhone with a curved screen or glass back it is dated and not relevant.. Why is this...?

People are being led to believe that only Samsung and Apple are the relevant players, not only by these paid reviewers, but by the entire industry. Heck even Best Buy is removing it's stock from it's stores for the other Oems, where they used to have a good selection of accessories...

The playing field is not level and reviews like this is just part of the problem.

I know professional reviewers have their own preferences, but to do a review like he did with this phone, is just plain bad.

Most people want a Galaxy or iPhone because this is the direction they are being led.. and these reviewers are the front line leading the charge.

Imho if HTC had packed every feature that everyone wanted into this phone and even updated Sense, thrown in a removable battery, ir blaster, I - 75 waterproof and shock resistant features, along with a FM radio, and a camera that rivaled the best 35mm camera it still would be called dated or something like that... Just because it isn't a Samsung or Apple phone... and most everyone who has been around for a while knows this...

Mac

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Absolutely correct... There should be..

My issue goes deeper, not just with the review in question, but just about every reviewer today. If any reviewed phone doesn't emulate either a Galaxy or iPhone with a curved screen or glass back it is dated and not relevant.. Why is this...?

People are being led to believe that only Samsung and Apple are the relevant players, not only by these paid reviewers, but by the entire industry. Heck even Best Buy is removing it's stock from it's stores for the other Oems, where they used to have a good selection of accessories...

The playing field is not level and reviews like this is just part of the problem.

I know professional reviewers have their own preferences, but to do a review like he did with this phone, is just plain bad.

Most people want a Galaxy or iPhone because this is the direction they are being led.. and these reviewers are the front line leading the charge.

Imho if HTC had packed every feature that everyone wanted into this phone and even updated Sense, thrown in a removable battery, ir blaster, I - 75 waterproof and shock resistant features, along with a FM radio, and a camera that rivaled the best 35mm camera it still would be called dated or something like that... Just because it isn't a Samsung or Apple phone... and most everyone who has been around for a while knows this...

Mac

I think people need to give it a chance.

I remember telling you that my friend got his U11. Coming from the Mate 9, he had pretty low expectations in comparison.

Well, the camera and even the battery life exceeded his wildest expectations. It's really pretty dang good.

 

[MDMcAtee]

I think people need to give it a chance.

I remember telling you that my friend got his U11. Coming from the Mate 9, he had pretty low expectations in comparison.

Well, the camera and even the battery life exceeded his wildest expectations. It's really pretty dang good.

OH I have no doubt that it's a great phone..and will make many people happy. No doubt in the least. It just doesn't have what I want it to... Lol

My grip is with the design decision to copy Samsung and Apples lead and that of those who push the designs to emulate them by putting down any phone from any other company that doesn't try to look like them in their reviews... That's what is at fault here.

Sealed glass backed phones aren't really practical no matter how good they look. Big curved screens aren't either. They are too easily broken.. This is a fact.. Not just my opinion.

Just think... had the Note 7 had a removable battery.... How many millions of people were effected by this... This planned obsolescence comes with a high price tag... in more than just one way.

The consumer is being dupped........ and this type of review is part of the problem.

Mac

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

OH I have no doubt that it's a great phone..and will make many people happy. No doubt in the least. It just doesn't have what I want it to... Lol

My grip is with the design decision to copy Samsung and Apples lead and that of those who push the designs to emulate them by putting down any phone from any other company that doesn't try to look like them in their reviews... That's what is at fault here.

Sealed glass backed phones aren't really practical no matter how good they look. Big curved screens aren't either. They are too easily broken.. This is a fact.. Not just my opinion.

Just think... had the Note 7 had a removable battery.... How many millions of people were effected by this... This planned obsolescence comes with a high price tag... in more than just one way.

The consumer is being dupped........ and this type of review is part of the problem.

Mac

It was the overall tone that really hit me.

Like someone else said, had it been a written review, it would probably give off a positive, if nitpicky vibe.

In this, it sounds as if he's not excited. I get it, it's hardly the most exciting device out there, but perhaps maintain some fairness.

I personally dislike glass-backs. I'm not afraid to criticize any phone with those.