Network Optimization: Throttling unlimited data LTE users (October 2014)

[Ry]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

Seems FCC may agree with you


FCC Challenges Verizon Wireless on Data Throttling


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Verizon:

UPDATE: July 30, 5:27 pm EST: Verizon offered the following statement in response to the FCC's letter:

We will officially respond to the Chairman's letter once we have received and reviewed it. However, what we announced last week was a highly targeted and very limited network optimization effort, only targeting cell sites experiencing high demand. The purpose is to ensure there is capacity for everyone in those limited circumstances, and that high users don't limit capacity for others.

 

[HawaiiD]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

If I read this article right? The fcc cannot hold Verizon to the C-block provision.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/1/14/5307650/federal-court-strikes-down-net-neutrality-rules

A federal appeals court has struck down important segments of the FCC's Open Internet rules, determining that the agency doesn't have the power to require internet service providers to treat all traffic equally. The DC circuit court has ruled on Verizon v. FCC, a challenge to the net neutrality rules put in place in 2010,*vacating the FCC's anti-discrimination and anti-blocking policies, though it preserved disclosure requirements that Verizon opposed — in other words, carriers can make some traffic run faster or block other services, but they have to tell subscribers.

 

[zedorda]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

Verizon:UPDATE: July 30, 5:27 pm EST: Verizon offered the following statement in response to the FCC's letter:

We will officially respond to the Chairman's letter once we have received and reviewed it. However, what we announced last week was a highly targeted and very limited network optimization effort, only targeting cell sites experiencing high demand. The purpose is to ensure there is capacity for everyone in those limited circumstances, and that high users don't limit capacity for others.

Are they really going to target people that are high? With drug tests and everything?

Sorry just had to try and lighten things up.

 

[dpham00]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

I think they mean the top 5% of the entire general customer base are using over 4.7 GB. I'd still question that, though, because it doesn't take much to eat up that much data. I would have expected it to be more than 5% going over 4.7 GB

Probably true, since a lot of people don't use much Mobile data. Keep in mind that Verizon requires a data plan on smartphones there are months when my wife uses 0 data but still must pay $20 for the 300mb data plan.

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[HawaiiD]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

Probably true, since a lot of people don't use much Mobile data. Keep in mind that Verizon requires a data plan on smartphones there are months when my wife uses 0 data but still must pay $20 for the 300mb data plan.

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Then her husband pays 30 dollars and used up 5TB +. As I said... where did this 4.7GB cap come from?

 

[Mr. Toad]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

If I read this article right? The fcc cannot hold Verizon to the C-block provision.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/1/14/5307650/federal-court-strikes-down-net-neutrality-rules

A federal appeals court has struck down important segments of the FCC's Open Internet rules, determining that the agency doesn't have the power to require internet service providers to treat all traffic equally. The DC circuit court has ruled on Verizon v. FCC, a challenge to the net neutrality rules put in place in 2010,*vacating the FCC's anti-discrimination and anti-blocking policies, though it preserved disclosure requirements that Verizon opposed — in other words, carriers can make some traffic run faster or block other services, but they have to tell subscribers.

FCC can enforce different rules over Verizon Wireless because of their purchase of the C-block. When they purchased it they agreed to certain rules. They have already settled at least one lawsuit with FCC.

http://www.fcc.gov/document/verizon-wireless-pay-125-million-settle-investigation

 

[anon(394005)]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

Mooncatt,
Point taken. However, why is it that only unlimited customers will be affected? They are saying UDP customers make up roughly 20% of vzw subscription base. I know people who are on tiered plans are aware of their data allotment. Which I suppose is the other 80%? My point is... if there is a tiered customer who say pays for his so called "example" 20GB (more extra data for 150.00).
This data allotment is already accounted for. That right there should have no bearing on this 4.7GB number. All UDP subscriber(s)
Should not be equated into the same general 95% pool.
IMO, only the top 5% in the 20% of the UDP subscription base should be in the equation because they are the one that will be affected. And at same time, I am sure that this theoretical so called data cap would be way higher considering there are a handful of power data consumers with UDP's

This is almost like telling to a person eating at a buffet(20%) to only eat this much amount of food, because the (majority 80%) average person will get to eat a set amount of food at a regular paying restaurant.

Although it's not a direct comparison, I think it's similar to where a buffet reserves the right to cut you off if you're consuming an unreasonable amount of food and possibly affecting the supply of it for others to enjoy. Although in this case Verizon isn't completely cutting you off, just slowing you down.

 

[Almeuit]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

Then her husband pays 30 dollars and used up 5TB +. As I said... where did this 4.7GB cap come from?

Verizon said their top 5% is 4.7 GB. That is where it is coming from. This isn't strictly for unlimited customers.. They are saying they count the top 5% of the entire network... Which is 4.7 GB... On unlimited and it's congested? You'll be throttled... If on a tiered and over the 4.7? No worries.. No slow down.

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[HawaiiD]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

Verizon said their top 5% is 4.7 GB. That is where it is coming from. This isn't strictly for unlimited customers.. They are saying they count the top 5% of the entire network... Which is 4.7 GB... On unlimited and it's congested? You'll be throttled... If on a tiered and over the 4.7? No worries.. No slow down.

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No slow down? Just an overcharge?

 

[Almeuit]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

No slow down? Just an overcharge?

Yep.

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[dpham00]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

Yep.

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Yeah, Verizon even said that. Don't want network optimization? Go to a tiered data plan.

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[HawaiiD]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

FCC can enforce different rules over Verizon Wireless because of their purchase of the C-block. When they purchased it they agreed to certain rules. They have already settled at least one lawsuit with FCC.

http://www.fcc.gov/document/verizon-wireless-pay-125-million-settle-investigation

There is an exception card that Verizon is playing in regards to the 700mhz C-block rule. Not word for word, but it is stipulated in way that if it necessary to slow data down to keep up the network integrity? Verizon has a right to slow it down. And that's why the chair of the fcc is chimp screaming. In reality...
The fcc has no standards or technical information, I believe to say when a network is burden enough to warrant a slow down or not. That's the real gray
Area that if the FCC was to take Verizon to litigation? They would be the underdog.

 

[jj2me]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

FCC Chairman says Verizon using a disturbing loophole to throttle unlimited data:
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/f...sturbing-loophole-to-throttle-unlimited-data

 

[dpham00]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

Though I have to wonder if this was all part of Verizon's plan... To eliminate unlimited data to comply with the fcc ruling. Now that would be ironic

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[Ry]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

Things I want to know from Verizon:

• What constitutes a congested tower? How many people/connections?
• What's my upper limit? Will I get speeds no higher than a certain number?

That said - based on everything I've read so far, I'm still not concerned. I expect my connection to be slower while congested.

 

[HawaiiD]

Though I have to wonder if this was all part of Verizon's plan... To eliminate unlimited data to comply with the fcc ruling. Now that would be ironic

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I believe also... If Verizon came right out and un-grandfathered the 20% UDP
Subscribers? Now that would look really ugly . However, Verizon is now using this pressure from the fcc to justify an elimination of UDP'S.

We'll see how it goes? Imo, if Verizon was to put a cap on UDP'S? Verizon should make it at least 10GB or some reasonable number that is above the highest non add on data allotment tier.

 

[Almeuit]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

I believe also... If Verizon came right out and un-grandfathered the 20% UDP
Subscribers? Now that would look really ugly . However, Verizon is now using this pressure from the fcc to justify an elimination of UDP'S.

We'll see how it goes? Imo, if Verizon was to put a cap on UDP'S? Verizon should make it at least 10GB or some reasonable number that is above the highest non add on data allotment tier.

Their highest allotment is 50 GB.

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[HawaiiD]

Their highest allotment is 50 GB.

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Non add on? To a tiered plan

 

[Almeuit]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

Non add on? To a tiered plan

The tiered plans go up to 50 GB. I don't think there is add on data (like a T-Mobile data pass for users who go over their high speed cap). It's simply once you go over your cap it's $15 per GB.

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[HawaiiD]

Re: Damn you verizon (possible throttling of future LTE for off contract unlimited uber-users)

The tiered plans go up to 50 GB. I don't think there is add on data (like a T-Mobile data pass for users who go over their high speed cap). It's simply once you go over your cap it's $15 per GB.

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Ok.. Gotcha,
How much would that 50GB tier be compared to the UDP of 30 dollars?
$.. More?