Nexus 10 or Galaxy Note 10.1? Thoughts?!

[Craig King]

One problem is this guys insistance that the screen is blury. That isn't true. It isn't blury, it is to small to display properly. So it is pixelated. Android runs at the native resolution of the screen so a pixel is either on or off. Now if you zoom way out and the text is to small to display cleanly because the text doesn't have enough pixels to display it. It wouldn't be blurry it would be blocky if anything.

Those are two very different things and honestly make me wonder if anything else he has said is close to accurate.

 

[xlDeMoNiClx]

It doesn't matter, just let him say what he wants and if someone else comes in here to ask questions you just give them your best advice and that's it. That's all any of us here can do and hope that they get what they're looking for.

 

[ZarathustraHead]

One problem is this guys insistance that the screen is blury. That isn't true. It isn't blury, it is to small to display properly. It wouldn't be blurry it would be blocky if anything.

I see. It was my use of the word blurry rather than blocky that upset you. I can use blocky instead if that will keep you from coming unhinged. I'm not an engineer, so I don't really understand the difference in these technical terms. The point is that it doesn't look good.

In sum, at 149 PPI, we can all agree that the Note 10.1's screen is blocky.

I'm glad we've finally settled this. Thus, the benefits of a rigorous forum discussion!

sent from my Note II

 

[Craig King]

I see. It was my use of the word blurry rather than blocky that upset you. I can use blocky instead if that will keep you from coming unhinged.

In sum, at 149 PPI, we can all agree that the Note 10.1's screen is blocky.

I'm glad we've finally settled this. Thus, the benefits of a rigorous forum discussion!

sent from my Note II

Blurry implies an inhearent problem no matter what you are dong on the screen. Text appeary block becuase it is les then 1/8 of an inch in size is a limitation of small text on a screen at that resolution. So yes you should use the proper words and be clear about what the problem is.

I am far from unhinged, I just don't want someone coming here and getting incorrect information becuase you don't know how to explain it properly.

 

[ZarathustraHead]

Blurry implies an inhearent problem no matter what you are dong on the screen. Text appeary block becuase it is les then 1/8 of an inch in size is a limitation of small text on a screen at that resolution. So yes you should use the proper words and be clear about what the problem is.

I am far from unhinged, I just don't want someone coming here and getting incorrect information becuase you don't know how to explain it properly.

I am sorry I said blurry. I meant to say that it is blocky. I am not a technician. I am just a lay consumer.

Thank you for the clarification.

Is it fair to say that the screen makes small circles look like squares?

Can I offer that white images appear to have small black holes due to the pixelation?

Might I suggest that the Note 10.1 has less than half the PPI of the Nexus 10? Is that fair?

Fair? Fair? Fair?

sent from my Note II

 

[ZarathustraHead]

Mr. King, I did my due diligence and looked up the word "blurry" on dictionary.com.

The first definition was:

"vague or indistinct"

I know this may upset you, but I believe that is a very accurate description of the Note 10.1's 149 PPI screen. "Vague and indistinct." Compared to sharp and clear like the Nexus 10's 300 PPI screen.

Then I looked up your word, "blocky."

"heavy built; solid; stock."

I know that you want me to use that word, but I'm afraid that doesn't fit my impressions of the Note 10.1's screen at all.

As such, I'm going to have to revert back to my original adjective, "blurry."

The Note 10.1's screen is blurry, vague, and indistinct.

Now I know that my saying this puts me at great risk of further cyber-bullying from the S Pen Tableteers. I'm a martyr for this cause. I will not be intimidated by the junior high 149 Bully Crew. I will get the word out on the Note 10.1's blurry, vague, and indistinct screen.

So it is done.


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[Craig King]

I am not upset, just prefer you don't mislead people and just maybe have an open mind and learn a better way to describe the scenerio you are seeing.

I do find it amusing that you decided to only display the first deffinition and not the second for blocky which is

2. marked by blocks or patches of unequally distributed light and shade, as in a photograph.

Or what ditionary.com says is listed in the Worlds English dictionary

World English Dictionary
blocky
? adj
like a block, esp in shape and solidity

I would also suggest you refrain from name calling or accusations. I never did anything of the such, and no one should. I apologize if you have felt intimidated, it was never my intention. I just want to make sure people are as educated as possible about whatever they are looking at.

 

[LegalAmerican]

Craig, I appreciate your efforts in combating Zarathustra, but it really is completely pointless. He has no interest in discussing things of importance on this thread. Regardless of what words we choose to look up in the dictionary, this isn't English class. If it was I think Zarathustra would be sitting in the hall so the teacher could actually teach and educate the other students that have a real desire to learn. This thread started strong and was enjoyable to follow, but some people (Zarathustra) can't allow the majority to enjoy themselves without stepping in and destroying the entire conversation.

 

[lpt2569]

NM.

 

[big matty]

Hmmmm....

 

[GMJeff]

Frankly, people that grew up in this HD era may be sensitive to a 149 ppi screen resolution, but as I grew up using DOS, Atari 2600 and such, this screen resolution is acceptable for me.

I have used 1080p phones and I marvel at the clarity, but does that resolution help me accomplish my goals of writing notes with the s pen or with the on screen keyboard, no.

As I stated before, not everyone will like the resolution of the note 10, so by all means, buy a nexus or whatever else. No one is forcing anyone to purchase a note 10, just giving their opinions as well.

Telling people not to purchase something just because you do not like it is asinine statement. A better way to intellectually inform a person of a devices shortcomings is to say that the resolution is not as good as other tablets in its size range, but going to a brick and mortar store to use it for yourself would allow you to physically see the limitations of the hardware, if at all possible.

Also, thanks for the english lesson.

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[xlDeMoNiClx]

Craig, I appreciate your efforts in combating Zarathustra, but it really is completely pointless. He has no interest in discussing things of importance on this thread. Regardless of what words we choose to look up in the dictionary, this isn't English class. If it was I think Zarathustra would be sitting in the hall so the teacher could actually teach and educate the other students that have a real desire to learn. This thread started strong and was enjoyable to follow, but some people (Zarathustra) can't allow the majority to enjoy themselves without stepping in and destroying the entire conversation.

Sadly I have to agree with this.

 

[ZarathustraHead]

Personally I'm debating getting a Note 10.1 for school and my Nexus 10 can be for pure entertainment.

Have you had a chance to check out the Note 10.1? I'd be curious to hear your impressions of the screen as a current Nexus 10 owner.

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[ZarathustraHead]

The S-Pen really is the only reason to get the Note 10.1, and even then it's only if you REALLY REALLY want it cause there are a few drawbacks.

Wow, I don't think that's a fair statement at all. You're not giving the Note 10.1 its just due. It has quite a few advantages over the Nexus 10 aside from the S Pen:

- expandable storage

- data option

- better reported stability

- split screen operation

- lighter weight

- more color options

- easy on-screen on/off switch for bluetooth keyoard

- two-way contacts sync with MS Exchange

I really wish some of you could get back on track and refrain from the mindless tablet bashing and personal attacks.

It's just an Android forum. Let's have an ~informed~ discussion.

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[xlDeMoNiClx]

Wow, I don't think that's a fair statement at all. You're not giving the Note 10.1 its just due. It has quite a few advantages over the Nexus 10 aside from the S Pen:

- expandable storage

- data option

- better reported stability

- split screen operation

- lighter weight

- more color options

- easy on-screen on/off switch for bluetooth keyoard

- two-way contacts sync with MS Exchange

I really wish some of you could get back on track and refrain from the mindless tablet bashing and personal attacks.

It's just an Android forum. Let's have an ~informed~ discussion.

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Just cause you take offense to everything we say doesn't make them personal attacks. My post you quoted was of my own opinion, the S-Pen is the only reason to get the Note 10.1 over the nexus 10 but obviously some people are gonna think differently and they're no more right or wrong than I am.

It depends on what people want in a tablet, and some of them don't care for the things you listed, that's their preference. Though I've had near perfect stability with my Nexus 10 so that point is going going to vary.

If you don't like how people talk then don't talk to them, no-one's making you.

This is from me, on my EVO 3D.

 

[MikeLip]

I asked myself that and ended up with the Nexus. I do stuff you'd think the S pen would be good for - quick technical drawings and schematics and so forth. But I have found that the Bamboo stylus is fine for that and the better resolution of the Nexus helps my work. Also it sounds better when streaming movies I like the grippiness of the Nexus too. This is from a Samsung fanboy.

As for the resolution - where this really helps is in resolving fine lines. It's impossible of course for a screen like this to be blurry. What it can do is fail to resolve edges well. If the screen driver can't decide cleanly where a pixel ought to be - for instance if you draw a 1 pixel wide line in the space BETWEEN pixels - the software has to decide what to do. Say the line is vertical, but very slightly tilted. The software will light whichever pixel it decides is right, then the next one up the line may end up closer to the next pixel and it will light that one, or it may light both. So you end up with what appears fuzzy. Finer resolutions don't eliminate this (since finer <> infinite) but it does make it less obvious. The Nexus screen is beautiful and makes technical drawings look much better and easier to read. For stuff like movies and so forth, it doesn't matter to me. The motion covers up any pixelation.

The point, if there is one, is that both tabs are really good. They have different feature sets and strengths. I find the Nexus better suited to my use. But there is no question that Samsung makes a heck of a tab too, and somehow I got along on a lesser screen (Samsung Galaxy Tab 10) before the Nexus came along

 

[xlDeMoNiClx]

I asked myself that and ended up with the Nexus. I do stuff you'd think the S pen would be good for - quick technical drawings and schematics and so forth. But I have found that the Bamboo stylus is fine for that and the better resolution of the Nexus helps my work. Also it sounds better when streaming movies I like the grippiness of the Nexus too. This is from a Samsung fanboy.

As for the resolution - where this really helps is in resolving fine lines. It's impossible of course for a screen like this to be blurry. What it can do is fail to resolve edges well. If the screen driver can't decide cleanly where a pixel ought to be - for instance if you draw a 1 pixel wide line in the space BETWEEN pixels - the software has to decide what to do. Say the line is vertical, but very slightly tilted. The software will light whichever pixel it decides is right, then the next one up the line may end up closer to the next pixel and it will light that one, or it may light both. So you end up with what appears fuzzy. Finer resolutions don't eliminate this (since finer <> infinite) but it does make it less obvious. The Nexus screen is beautiful and makes technical drawings look much better and easier to read. For stuff like movies and so forth, it doesn't matter to me. The motion covers up any pixelation.

The point, if there is one, is that both tabs are really good. They have different feature sets and strengths. I find the Nexus better suited to my use. But there is no question that Samsung makes a heck of a tab too, and somehow I got along on a lesser screen (Samsung Galaxy Tab 10) before the Nexus came along

I would like to point out that Samsung made the nexus 10 as well so they definitely make more than one good tablet.

This is from me, on my EVO 3D.

 

[MikeLip]

I would like to point out that Samsung made the nexus 10 as well so they definitely make more than one good tablet.

This is from me, on my EVO 3D.

That they did. I had forgotten that!

 

[ZarathustraHead]

Though I've had near perfect stability with my Nexus 10 so that point is going going to vary.

Certainly there is going to be varying stability between different tablets of the same model. I'm on my second Nexus 10. Even my replacement has had the occasional hiccup (spontaneous reboot or failure to auto log onto wifi). These forums indicate that these issues are not uncommon for the Nexus 10.

The Note 10.1, by contrast, offered flawless stability for me.



sent from my Note 2

 

[xlDeMoNiClx]

That they did. I had forgotten that!

And in the S4 section, people are complaining that all Samsung products feel like cheap plastic. Most do, but it's a lie, the material is better than it seems, people are just so narrow-minded sometimes.