I own both phones. I use the Nexus 5 as my daily driver. I corrected Jeff that the Nexus 5, in everyday use, is not signficantly faster than the Moto X. Not sure where you're getting your info from.
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I own both phones. I use the Nexus 5 as my daily driver. I corrected Jeff that the Nexus 5, in everyday use, is not signficantly faster than the Moto X. Not sure where you're getting your info from.
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That's not what you've been saying. You've been saying the Motox is *better* than the Nexus 5. That's why people are taking exception to your statements.
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That's not what you've been saying. You've been saying the Motox is *better* than the Nexus 5. That's why people are taking exception to your statements.
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It is, but in this context I'm talking about the speed difference (or lack thereof) between the X and Nexus 5. You can tell me you like the Nexus 5 better and I'd be fine with that. I use it myself. The only reason I even brought up the Moto X in the context of it being a better all-around phone was because you asked me. I'm not entirely sure why you and others get so up in arms about someone stating you don't own the best phone available. Who cares? I know it's not the best, but I like it the best. It does what I need it to do and excels where I need it to excel. When someone is so flagrantly wrong about another phone because they can't contain their love for their own phone, I interject and offer an experienced/impartial correction. Sorry?
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Aren't you getting up in arms because these people are saying the Moto X isn't the best phone available? I think you understand their reasons better than you might realize.
And before you say you aren't getting up in arms, maybe count your posts in this thread.
Oh I don't care if people disagree with -that-. That's their right to do so. I've spent my time here correcting Jeff when he says the Nexus 5 is signficantly faster than the Moto X in everyday use because it benchmarks higher and functioned 3 seconds faster using Google Now once in a video he saw.
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And I side with you on that. Absolutely, 100%. I care more about what's happening on the device in my hand than what some benchmark said. I'm just pointing out that you are questioning everyone who is "getting up in arms" when clearly that's what this thread has been about since page 1. People get up in arms becuase they've spent some substantial amount of money on a device that they felt was the best for them. We all understand that doesn't mean it is the best for everyone, but we still want to feel justified and like we didn't waste our money. It's never fun to hear something else is better than what you've just spent a few hundred bucks on.
3 things have been well established to this point.
1- You use the Nexus 5 as your daily driver.
2- You feel the Moto X is better
3- Jeff loves his benchmarks.
What else is there to hash out? The dead horse is rotting away at this point. Maybe we could let it rest in peace and we can move on to discuss something else..
For over 10 years I ran the benchmark department for a major computer manufacture that timed real customers applications as well as industry benchmarks. I agree with you that the industry standard benchmark isn't always the best choice to judge speed of a process but that is when both processor are pretty much the same speed ball park wise. That isn't the case here. Where I get my information that the Nexus 5 processor is faster is from the Qualcomm that makes both the Snapdragon 800 (Nexus 5) and the Snapdragon S4 Pro (Moto X). This is what Qualcomm says about those two processors that they make;
Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro Dual Core (APQ8064) vs Snapdragon 800 Quad Core
Two processors from the same manufacturer- the Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro and the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800- but one vastly outperforming the other as some tests we’ve performed show.
Firstly the S4 Pro: excellent piece of technology, but outdone by its successors. Neverthless the S4 Pro is still an impressive core, sporting four Krait 200 cores- each clocking at 1.7GHz. It also has a 2MB L2 cache and is capable of handling up to four simultaneous threads. The processor also has an integrated Adreno 320 GPU.
Then is the Snapdragon 800. Four Krait 400 cores, each clocking at 2.3GHz, which already blows the S4 Pro out of the water when it comes to raw speed, but sadly there is no improvement in the L2 cache or the number of parallel threads. The Snapdragon 800 also trumps the S4 with its newer GPU: the Adreno 330.
But these results are expected from the newer generation of the Snapdragon processors.
Reasons to consider the
Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Pro (APQ8064)
Reasons to consider the
Qualcomm Snapdragon 800
Absolutely nothing, really. Having just read through Jerry's Moto X vs Nexus 5 comments section, I can see this wasn't Jeff's first rodeo.
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It appears that you two are kind of talking about different things.
Yes, we all know, and agree, that the Snapdragon 800 is technically better than all the other processors currently discussed here. I don't think anyone is debating that.
What Adranalyne is saying, however, is that even though the Nexus 5 is faster on paper, when you are using either phone as you would every day, there is a negligible difference between the two when it comes to speed.
Then Adranalyne needs to say the Moto X processor is fast enough for his personal needs. If Adranalyne was a gamer then his views could change when that dual core processor was stressed. Anecdotal observation aren't as good as benchmarks at measuring process speed. All computers are theoretically the same speed when they are 100% idle until you put them under a work load.
Sliding the phones screens back and forward is more about the Adreno processing unit (GPU) speed than the Snapdragon processors. I will agree the S4 Pro is more than adequate for most phone applications. Then again the Snapdragon 1.2Ghz 400 processor on my old LG Motion that I paid $150 for in 2012 was fast enough for most peoples needs on a phone.
If that is the argument then we could go back to the processors from 2011 and they would still be fast enough for most phone operations minus the GPU functions.
I personally have a warm comfort factor in having the benchmarks that shows me I have a fast processor. I want to future proof my Nexus 5 with the fastest CPU I can afford since I expect to keep this Nexus 5 for at least 4 years as my only phone. When I have to pay about $175 more for the Moto X over the Nexus 5 it would tick me off paying more for a slower CPU. That is my point the Nexus 5 is $349 and the Moto X is about $519. The Moto X is a great phone but for my opinion the Nexus 5 is better for me and it is about $175 cheaper to boot.
However the fact remains the Snapdragon 800 is the faster CPU. Also, I agree the Moto X is a fast phone.
The X8 isn't an S4 pro in the sense of that statement from Qualcomm. Its closer to an S600 sans two cores than the 2012 S4 in any model. Same with the S4 Pro in the 2013 Nexus 7. Its basically an under clocked S600 (with all cores present).
Aside from that, the point about their theoretical out of the box hardware performance possibilities is valid, but execution on the software side and the context of usage make a large impact too.
XT1060. Through spacetime.
Aside from that, the point about their theoretical out of the box hardware performance possibilities is valid, but execution on the software side and the context of usage make a large impact too.
XT1060. Through spacetime.
As soon as you can find me an objective standard for real world usage I'll be happy to start ignoring benchmarks.
How would you know ahead of time?
Benchmarks give a basis for relative comparison. I know my battery life on the nexus will probably be less than on the moto X for the same tasks due to benchmarks. This way, I do not have to buy both devices to compare them.
Based on what tasks? Adranalyne seems to be implying this result will be the same for everyone. I think thats what he was talking about.
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You don't have to ignore benchmarks. Holding them at such a high value is entirely up to you. I'm saying as for me, I care more about how the device functions in my hand. Benchmarks are fun to look at, but they don't really mean anything to me and would never sway my opinion of a device.
Good, that's all I was talking about.
I think I have said multiple times that this would be the case for the vast majority of use cases. I don't see the disagreement.
Yes. If it opens twice as fast as the Nexus 5 camera app, then yes, it means that for the camera task, the Moto X is significantly faster. Or rather, it would be, if I could see evidence of it other than your words.
I think you're using the word 'significant' as a synonym with 'noticeable', while I am using 'significant' in numerical/statistical terms, where a 100% time differential IS significant by definition. Again, just because it's significant doesn't mean it's terribly noticeable.
All of that is correct, EXCEPT the idea that those things make the Note 3 "better." Again, 'better' is a subjective term, not an objective term. I never said that the Nexus 5 is better than the Moto X, just that it's faster. Yes, the Note 3 is faster than the N5, as well as has a bigger battery and longer battery life, as well as a higher resolution camera, and a larger screen than the Nexus 5. Those are objective measurements, and therefore not a matter of opinion. Another objective truth is that the Note 3 has a removable battery and an SD card slot that the Nexus 5 does not. Yet another objective fact is that the Note 3 costs twice as much as the Nexus 5 without a contract.
Whether any of it (or any combination of it) makes it "better" though depends entirely on who it's better for and that user's preferences.
I know what your point is. And of course it isn't all about what you can measure. I have made this point in this thread myself multiple times. It's just that when we're dealing with a specific thing that CAN be measured, the measurements are what they are.
I only hold them in a high value absent all other information. They are a good starting point.
That will not tell you how the device will perform under load. 6 months or a year from now, what feels smooth and fast right now will probably be a lot less so then. So the fact that a phone can run all the current stuff well is not necessarily an indication that it is a better buy. If you can get better performance 6 months or a year from now for the same price, why would you not want that?
Benchmarks will tell you the real story because they push the device to it's limits.
^^^^ This.
There may be other things the Moto X does that makes it better (subjective). But it is not faster (objective).
This right here is false, and you know it. Jeff is NOT forming an opinion about the Moto X's speed based solely on one video. He's forming it based on that video, which confirms benchmark speed tests, and he's said that he has used a Moto X more than once. For someone who keeps crowing about owning the Moto X (though technically your employer owns it, not you), you sure are quick to discount and ignore when other people say they too have used the device. You don't want to consider their experience on par with yours, fine. But you don't get to ignore the fact that they have used it and just keep repeating a flat falsehood just because you think it helps your argument.
I really don't think you have anything to apologize for. You're being ganged up on not necessarily because you're wrong but because you've chosen the debate you're waging on the home team's turf.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking sides here but on the same token I feel it needs to be pointed out that many of the points you've made are equally as good as the responses you've been getting. But I don't fight battles on ground that's advantageous to my opponents
One thing I know about Mobile Nations forums is that if you're going to criticize a device or platform in the home forum of either, you should definitely expect a heavily subjective contrary reaction.
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I really don't think you have anything to apologize for. You're being ganged up on not necessarily because you're wrong but because you've chosen the debate you're waging on the home team's turf.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking sides here but on the same token I feel it needs to be pointed out that many of the points you've made are equally as good as the responses you've been getting. But I don't fight battles on ground that's advantageous to my opponents
One thing I know about Mobile Nations forums is that if you're going to criticize a device or platform in the home forum of either, you should definitely expect a heavily subjective contrary reaction.
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Oh I'm well aware of what I was getting into. Fortunately, it seems like the people who run this site agree with me:
The best Android phone you can buy, as of November 2013 http://www.androidcentral.com/best-android-phone-you-can-buy-november-2013
Even still, it's not even about what one is better. I'm just correcting some of the false statements that are being made.
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