Nexus 5 vs Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini...

[JeffDenver]

If I'm holding one of the top rated DSLR's in one hand and a plastic disposable in the other, but I like crappy disposables better, that means crappy disposables are better according to your logic.

That is exactly right. The Crappy disposable plastic camera is better for you in that scenario. Your money would be wasted on a DSLR producing pictures that you like less.

"Experts" are not necessarily correct by default, especially on anything that is subjective anyway.

Never said anyone was, so I'm not sure where that's coming from. And better isn't really subjective if we're talking overall, which clearly we are, (or at least should be). I never mentioned anyone one specific feature, nor did I say the N5 quality was "bad". Just average.

What about it is average? What, specifically, do you see in competing products that are better?

I have let reviewers define my opinion before too, and I have regretted it.

A lot more qualified than you are so you'll forgive me if I think you're being a a pot calling a kettle black here.

Based on what I've read I'm not convinced he is all that qualified. He is complaining about problems that clearly do not exist anymore IMO.

 

[mrsmumbles]

I understand that you're not trying to split hairs but you said it

It basically boils down to this - I'll take the word on how a smartphone camera performs from a reviewer on a trusted photography website over what someone like me or you has to say. Understand that dpreview isn't a professional-only club, it's a photography enthusiast site, not an exclusive club for only professional photographers. That's pretty much all I'm driving at here. I think the confusion is that you're saying that I consider professional photography regular usage. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying the reviewer took photos like you or I would, snapping them using the regular automatic settings without using advanced settings or techniques, and that I consider that site a better photography authority than us when it comes to grading camera performance/quality. Look at it this way - I'm going to use the tired old car analogy we all beat to death around here. If I'm looking at how the steering and handling is on a car, I'll trust what the guys at Edmunds have to say about it over what forum members of a site called 'Car Central' have to say. That doesn't mean that the reviewer at Edmunds drove the car like a professional Formula 1 driver in order to write the review even if he is a pro Formula 1 driver. Hope that clears things up.

http://forums.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?p=3328498

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[JeffDenver]

It basically boils down to this - I'll take the word on how a smartphone camera performs from a reviewer on a trusted photography website over what someone like me or you has to say.

In other words, you will let reviewers define your opinion for you. You are choosing to defer to them.

Which is fine. I've done the same thing before. I don't do that now because it has turned out that reviewers were not always right in the past.

 

[LegalAmerican]

I understand that you're not trying to split hairs but you said it

It basically boils down to this - I'll take the word on how a smartphone camera performs from a reviewer on a trusted photography website over what someone like me or you has to say. Understand that dpreview isn't a professional-only club, it's a photography enthusiast site, not an exclusive club for only professional photographers. That's pretty much all I'm driving at here. I think the confusion is that you're saying that I consider professional photography regular usage. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying the reviewer took photos like you or I would, snapping them using the regular automatic settings without using advanced settings or techniques, and that I consider that site a better photography authority than us when it comes to grading camera performance/quality. Look at it this way - I'm going to use the tired old car analogy we all beat to death around here. If I'm looking at how the steering and handling is on a car, I'll trust what the guys at Edmunds have to say about it over what forum members of a site called 'Car Central' have to say. That doesn't mean that the reviewer at Edmunds drove the car like a professional Formula 1 driver in order to write the review even if he is a pro Formula 1 driver. Hope that clears things up.

That definitely does clear it up. Thanks. And I also don't put too much stock in what is said here on the forums. But I do put a lot of stock into my own personal experience/preference which has shown multiple times that the N5 outperforms the Moto X in the camera realm. And that could very well be because I don't have as solid a grasp of what over-saturation is, or under exposure, or lighting. To me, I just know what I think looks good. If it's crisp, and detailed, and looks as close as possible to what i'm seeing with my eye, i'm happy. Photography enthusiasts may praise a photo that just looks normal to me.

 

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PhotoGraphy Blog Review on Nexus 5 w/4.4.2 Review - Android Forums at AndroidCentral.com

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In that case, it was just posted that a professional photography site just rated the Nexus 5 at the TOP, along with the Lumia, over every other smartphone now out.

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I appreciate what you're trying to do, I posted my response there already

In other words, you will let reviewers define your opinion for you. You are choosing to defer to them.

Which is fine. I've done the same thing before. I don't do that now because it has turned out that reviewers were not always right in the past.

Jeff... dude... wow. Don't tell me how I think please ok? thanks lol. Sorry man, but you're a little too hardcore on a brand for me mate We just disagree. Cool?

That definitely does clear it up. Thanks. And I also don't put too much stock in what is said here on the forums. But I do put a lot of stock into my own personal experience/preference which has shown multiple times that the N5 outperforms the Moto X in the camera realm. And that could very well be because I don't have as solid a grasp of what over-saturation is, or under exposure, or lighting. To me, I just know what I think looks good. If it's crisp, and detailed, and looks as close as possible to what i'm seeing with my eye, i'm happy. Photography enthusiasts may praise a photo that just looks normal to me.

glad we came to an understanding

 

[JeffDenver]

Jeff... dude... wow. Don't tell me how I think please ok?

I'm telling you what I am getting out of what you post on here. Just my opinion.

 

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No problem, you're just mistaking how I handle reviews that's all