"only 500,000 Moto Xs sold in third quarter"

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I see iphones and Galaxies everywhere; S3, S4 and Note Series. I travel a bit and am in many airports. I have been seeing more windows phones also and they often work for MSFT for consult for them.
 
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I see iphones and Galaxies everywhere; S3, S4 and Note Series. I travel a bit and am in many airports. I have been seeing more windows phones also and they often work for MSFT for consult for them.
I see more Windows phones than I do GS4/Note 3 O_o GS3s and GS2s are everywhere though
 
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I see S3s everywhere. A few S2s and S4s.
I've seen a few N4s, HTC ones, and one other Galaxy Nexus

Samsung and iPhone, as far as the eye can see.
Just ordered via Motomaker!
Saw my first TV ad Sunday. I believe they are just gearing up.
 
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For those not involved in a production industry, this seems to me to be the Moto factory settling in and matching their staffing to optimized operations. The employees that were let go were temp staff and not "permanent" positions. Our company routinely ramps up for seasonal or large initial efforts using temporary staff to bolster the permanent workforce to ensure that if kinks occur, the staffing can overcome the kinks to avoid delays/service issues. And once it is validated that the kinks/delays are mitigated and things are working fluidly (as designed), the temporary staff is reduced.

The point is...the reduction of temporary staff could mean what the blogger is inferring and the X is not selling as well as expected or, what the blogger didn't consider, the factory is working much more smoothly and much earlier than expected. There really isn't enough public information to tell us which case is accurate.
 
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Do you think that we have been seeing the $500 million marketing budget for this phone in action? I don't think so.

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I was wondering this myself, I haven't seen a single ad yet on north american TV channels

I see iphones and Galaxies everywhere; S3, S4 and Note Series. I travel a bit and am in many airports. I have been seeing more windows phones also and they often work for MSFT for consult for them.

That's my experience as well, pretty much Galaxies, Notes, and iPhones plus the odd blackberry (which usually end up being because they are company issued). I am hearing quite a bit of interest in Note 3 recently from people I talk to but those people more often than not currently own a Note 1 or 2 and have a reason of some kind for preferring a phablet with stylus rather than a casual smartphone. The Note series will continue to do pretty good I think because Samsung basically has cornered the mindshare for people looking for phablets

Just curious, since you said you see windows phones mostly at airports, are they often europeans? I hear WP does really well in several EU countries.
 
Motorola isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Googles approach time and time again has been forward thinking. Release and refine. 200m in losses is not putting a dent on Googles bottom line.

It's going to be five years from now when we all begin to post in here how brilliant they (Google & Motorola) played their chips.

Its the cool part about having billions of dollars to blow. You can learn through failure without closing and come back with a new approach (a luxury HTC doesn't have) Eventually you find success.

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Wasn't the Moto X exclusive to AT&T for a while? It recently came up to Rogers/Fido (where I got mine) and now Verizon.
 
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I see more Windows phones than I do GS4/Note 3 O_o GS3s and GS2s are everywhere though

I ride the bus & train everyday, 2 weeks ago I sat next to a girl using a WP8 phone, first Windows phone I've seen a looooooooooong time, everyone else is either using iPhone or Android variant.
 
Re: "only 500,000 Moto Xs sold in third quarter"

I was wondering this myself, I haven't seen a single ad yet on north american TV channels



That's my experience as well, pretty much Galaxies, Notes, and iPhones plus the odd blackberry (which usually end up being because they are company issued). I am hearing quite a bit of interest in Note 3 recently from people I talk to but those people more often than not currently own a Note 1 or 2 and have a reason of some kind for preferring a phablet with stylus rather than a casual smartphone. The Note series will continue to do pretty good I think because Samsung basically has cornered the mindshare for people looking for phablets

Just curious, since you said you see windows phones mostly at airports, are they often europeans? I hear WP does really well in several EU countries.

The windows phones I see are Americans but when I talk to them they often either work for Microsoft or are consultants for Microsoft. They say the WP works well with the computer and surface versions of windows.

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I had a Lumia 1020 for a bit but it was too large and heavy. Thought about the lumia 925 to have that camera but then went with a moto x and nexus 5. WP has some potential with Nokia making the hardware

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I would say it's pretty unrealistic to expect any virgin product to compete with Samsung or Apple and I'd hope Google and Moto are smart enough not to have expectations of sales in that stratosphere. I

That Motley Fool article is doing *exactly* what the Computerworld blogger said not to do: compare sales of the Moto X to those of the iPhone and Galaxy line...

When you try to measure how Motorola is really doing today with its flagship device, try not to compare it to Galaxy S4 or iPhone 5S. Think about Moto X as a single smartphone which launched in a big, but still only one market, was on sale with 2 carriers for 5 weeks, and with another 2 for 3 weeks. Look how competitors other than Apple and Samsung have done during the same timeframe.

Suddenly that 500 000 Moto X shipped starts looking pretty good, doesn’t it?
In my opinion, that Motley Fool article is very misleading and ignores many of the salient points brought up in the CW blog, namely the relatively limited release of the Moto X compared to the iPhone and the Galaxies. That's like claiming a Cannes Film Festival winning film in limited release is a flop because it didn't break the box office like the latest Disney Pixar film did.

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics; apparently you can add bloggers somewhere in there, too. I honestly would have expected a website that made its name giving out investment advice to do their homework before printing a pile of sensationalist speculative garbage like Motley Fool did.
 
Re: "only 500,000 Moto Xs sold in third quarter"

For those not involved in a production industry, this seems to me to be the Moto factory settling in and matching their staffing to optimized operations. The employees that were let go were temp staff and not "permanent" positions. Our company routinely ramps up for seasonal or large initial efforts using temporary staff to bolster the permanent workforce to ensure that if kinks occur, the staffing can overcome the kinks to avoid delays/service issues. And once it is validated that the kinks/delays are mitigated and things are working fluidly (as designed), the temporary staff is reduced.

The point is...the reduction of temporary staff could mean what the blogger is inferring and the X is not selling as well as expected or, what the blogger didn't consider, the factory is working much more smoothly and much earlier than expected. There really isn't enough public information to tell us which case is accurate.
Expect the headline in January, "Wal-Mart and Target lay off thousands as sales plummet." :p
 
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Dennis woodside the CEO of Motorola said at Moto G event that they are seeing a spike in sales when moto maker was made available for all carriers
 
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The question remains though - how long will Google let Motorola continue to bleed money? Google can afford it but do they want to keep footing the bill? Motorola needs to return to profitability.

Good question. It's well reported that Google bought MM for its 17,000+ patents and was well prepared for Moto Mobility's hardware business to fail from the getgo (albeit poorly cited/verified lol). Of course, I'm sure they'll give them as much time as shareholder's can stand to become profitable before liquidation or otherwise absorbing MM's remaining assests. I feel they're certainly on the right track with the Moto X and new Droids (and their new budget offering the G). We'll see if enough consumers can be convinced of the same.
 
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I think the Moto X was almost intentionally positioned to be a poor seller; high launch price, poor timing (right before new iPhone), AT&T exclusive Moto Maker, etc. If it was $50 on-contract and $400 off-contract to start, with moto maker for everyone from the start, and launched around June, it would have been the sales hit of the year.

They may have wanted to roll out Moto Maker slowly, to get the logistics right. Watch, Moto's next flagship phone will be positioned to sell big from the start.

I think that is wishful thinking.

And I really think the Moto Maker is being wildly overhyped. Most people just go to a carrier store and get what they have. Why do you think there are so many Pebble Blue VZW GS3s around? Cause towards the end of its lifecycle all Verizon was stocking was Pebble Blue and people got it even if they went there looking for a different color. They didn't decide to get an HTC One or whatever, they still got the GS3 they went to the carrier store to buy.

I do think the Maker is a nice idea, ultimately, but I think people are giving it way too much credit... Samsung doesn't need that to sell 500k phones, nor do they need to price their flagships are $99 on contract (like Nokia did with the L92x series) to sell them.

That phone is selling poorly because the bad things about it aren't minor (like the camera) and the good things about it (like voice controls) simply aren't high up in the list of priorities for the average consumer. Sometimes it's important to get off the tech blogs and actually talk to real people (the ones you don't have a lot of influence over) to see what they thing about these things.

Practically no one cares about the Moto Maker or Voice Controls that I know. All they care about is the fact that it's worse than a GS4 or G2, so they get those devices instead.

Most people don't buy off contract. The subsidy is what matters, and brand recognition.

For those that do like to buy off-contract, there is very little reason to consider this phone over a Nexus 5, Voice Controls or not. Money talks, and the price disparity is too large given how much better the Nexus is in a number of ways.
 
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I think that is wishful thinking.

And I really think the Moto Maker is being wildly overhyped. Most people just go to a carrier store and get what they have. Why do you think there are so many Pebble Blue VZW GS3s around? Cause towards the end of its lifecycle all Verizon was stocking was Pebble Blue and people got it even if they went there looking for a different color. They didn't decide to get an HTC One or whatever, they still got the GS3 they went to the carrier store to buy.

I do think the Maker is a nice idea, ultimately, but I think people are giving it way too much credit... Samsung doesn't need that to sell 500k phones, nor do they need to price their flagships are $99 on contract (like Nokia did with the L92x series) to sell them.

That phone is selling poorly because the bad things about it aren't minor (like the camera) and the good things about it (like voice controls) simply aren't high up in the list of priorities for the average consumer. Sometimes it's important to get off the tech blogs and actually talk to real people (the ones you don't have a lot of influence over) to see what they thing about these things.

Practically no one cares about the Moto Maker or Voice Controls that I know. All they care about is the fact that it's worse than a GS4 or G2, so they get those devices instead.

Most people don't buy off contract. The subsidy is what matters, and brand recognition.

For those that do like to buy off-contract, there is very little reason to consider this phone over a Nexus 5, Voice Controls or not. Money talks, and the price disparity is too large given how much better the Nexus is in a number of ways.

Well, the camera is fixed and the phone is not worse. And while there may be little reason for some to consider it, someone who wants a smaller phone, or a phone with advanced notifications or who knows what voiceless controls can do, there are very good reasons to consider the moto. But I think that’s been covered 100x over on this board.

Then there is, like you said, the lack of name recognition, agree. It’s a pretty big leap of faith for a phone that a person knows they will keep for 2 years, to buy a phone that is being advertised as coming in colors.

Then there is sheep-think. Later that day that i had posted it's like long and short lines in store I went into Ikea. There were 2 lines. 1 had 10 people on it and another had 2. I laughed and said to the cashier "i'll never understand that", she said, "it's always like that". And it's true. And honestly I’m not necessarily knocking sheep-think, most people do it so it’s not really saying anything bad about the person, it’s just human nature, people have other things on their mind.

As for the voice controls, people see my voice controls they’re impressed. Now one guy in my office that has an HTC One is actually going to switch over to the moto. Another person is getting the droid mini b/c even though she’s self proclaimed old fashioned, she’s intrigued. But if they hadn't seen them in action it's hard to imagine how it works or benefits you. So their priorities might be what for LG2, big screen? I just refuse to believe that everyone wants as big a screen as they can find. The 'must-have-beast-phone' mentally doesn’t cover everyone

And so many people like the smaller phone compared to the N5/LG2/Sammy but even they can't find their way over to really contemplate the phone. The moto x isn't being hyped in the store and it takes posters and name and all your friends having it for people to really look into a phone.

I agree moto maker is overhyped, but it's how they're trying to get recognized, it's not working, i live in nyc, there are many many people here and i have yet to see one color moto x, actually, yet to see 1 any moto x, other than mine.
 
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And I really think the Moto Maker is being wildly overhyped. Most people just go to a carrier store and get what they have. Why do you think there are so many Pebble Blue VZW GS3s around? Cause towards the end of its lifecycle all Verizon was stocking was Pebble Blue and people got it even if they went there looking for a different color. They didn't decide to get an HTC One or whatever, they still got the GS3 they went to the carrier store to buy.
When I was in Verizon last night buying a new SIM, Moto Maker was extensively promoted throughout the store. They had banners and posters up with an entire display of the different colored casing/accent options. They even had multiple customized Moto X's available for demo on the floor. It's not like black and white are the only options, nor are they the only ones being pushed to consumers. Your analogy isn't applicable.
I do think the Maker is a nice idea, ultimately, but I think people are giving it way too much credit... Samsung doesn't need that to sell 500k phones, nor do they need to price their flagships are $99 on contract (like Nokia did with the L92x series) to sell them.
Because Samsung has a more powerful brand than Motorola does. Just like Apple. That doesn't happen overnight.
That phone is selling poorly because the bad things about it aren't minor (like the camera) and the good things about it (like voice controls) simply aren't high up in the list of priorities for the average consumer. Sometimes it's important to get off the tech blogs and actually talk to real people (the ones you don't have a lot of influence over) to see what they thing about these things.
Well at least now we know you've never used a Moto X.
Practically no one cares about the Moto Maker or Voice Controls that I know. All they care about is the fact that it's worse than a GS4 or G2, so they get those devices instead.
I'm sorry, but saying it's "worse" without any consideration tells a lot about your bias.
Most people don't buy off contract. The subsidy is what matters, and brand recognition.
And now it costs $50 on-contract at Verizon. Is that "worse?"
For those that do like to buy off-contract, there is very little reason to consider this phone over a Nexus 5, Voice Controls or not. Money talks, and the price disparity is too large given how much better the Nexus is in a number of ways.
Funny how you're quick to jump on the Moto X's camera faults (which have been fixed), but then mention the Nexus 5 as its superior....
 
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To be fair, third quarter is usually July/August/September. IIRC, none of the carriers sold the phone for two months in that third quarter.

Exactly. Everybody calm down

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Practically no one cares about the Moto Maker or Voice Controls that I know. All they care about is the fact that it's worse than a GS4 or G2, so they get those devices instead.

That's just brilliant deductive reasoning right there. You've got me convinced. I'm going to dump my Moto X and buy a GS4 tomorrow.
 
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And I really think the Moto Maker is being wildly overhyped. Most people just go to a carrier store and get what they have. Why do you think there are so many Pebble Blue VZW GS3s around? Cause towards the end of its lifecycle all Verizon was stocking was Pebble Blue and people got it even if they went there looking for a different color. They didn't decide to get an HTC One or whatever, they still got the GS3 they went to the carrier store to buy.

I do think the Maker is a nice idea, ultimately, but I think people are giving it way too much credit... Samsung doesn't need that to sell 500k phones, nor do they need to price their flagships are $99 on contract (like Nokia did with the L92x series) to sell them.

With Nokia's colors plus the fact that Samsung has different colors for their flagships (two or three) and Apple put out a whole color line of iPhones, Moto Maker is far from overhyped. It's the trend. People want more than just black or white.

That phone is selling poorly because the bad things about it aren't minor (like the camera) and the good things about it (like voice controls) simply aren't high up in the list of priorities for the average consumer. Sometimes it's important to get off the tech blogs and actually talk to real people (the ones you don't have a lot of influence over) to see what they thing about these things.

Practically no one cares about the Moto Maker or Voice Controls that I know. All they care about is the fact that it's worse than a GS4 or G2, so they get those devices instead.

Most people don't buy off contract. The subsidy is what matters, and brand recognition.

For those that do like to buy off-contract, there is very little reason to consider this phone over a Nexus 5, Voice Controls or not. Money talks, and the price disparity is too large given how much better the Nexus is in a number of ways.

The camera is still better than the phones that potential customers would be coming from. And the Touchless Control features blow people's mind when I show them off.