People currently with 4G LTE

[sjd2246]

I have LTE on Verizon and I like it. LTE though isn't the deal breaker, its Verizon's overall coverage. In my experience a Verizon cell works in more places than the competition. If I didn't have Verizon I would probably go with straight talk or another pre paid plan with a sim. Right now I have the galaxy nexus, but the other phones on the verizon are very good though, and the fact that motorola is google owned makes owning a non nexus a little easier, i.e. if I had one of the razr HD phones.

 

[Woosh]

First of all I left LTE out of this discussion..

And I leave theory to the theorists..

Read over my post again, maybe it will sink in this time.

This is strictly a situation where there had been no issues with providing a CDMA nexus TWICE before, and now they are just going to make it one sided.

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That's all well and good but how do you know your stupid carrier was't the reason they didn't get this device? Google can't make a phone to work for your carrier and they will say "Oh great, I'd love to activate that". The GN did NOT sell well on either of the CDMA carriers so I can understand them not even breaking to Google's will as far as updates go. That certainly would and likely did play a part in the ability to carry the phone.

Secondly....You didn't leave LTE out of the discussion. Read your post again about LG already bringing an LTE phone to your network. That likely is another reason it should be a non issue for you, grab the Optimus G. It looks like a nice phone.

The FACT is that Google didn't just do this on a whim to hurt your feelings. The motives seem rather clear to me and whether or not they are ALL correct or maybe they are all wrong. Idk, but they had to have a good reason to leave out 130 million Americans without a phone.

But, you still have choices. You can drop the carrier or you can grab any other phone you want to.

 

[TropicalSammich]

Koop

That's all well and good but how do you know your stupid carrier was't the reason they didn't get this device? Google can't make a phone to work for your carrier and they will say "Oh great, I'd love to activate that". The GN did NOT sell well on either of the CDMA carriers so I can understand them not even breaking to Google's will as far as updates go. That certainly would and likely did play a part in the ability to carry the phone.

Secondly....You didn't leave LTE out of the discussion. Read your post again about LG already bringing an LTE phone to your network. That likely is another reason it should be a non issue for you, grab the Optimus G. It looks like a nice phone.

The FACT is that Google didn't just do this on a whim to hurt your feelings. The motives seem rather clear to me and whether or not they are ALL correct or maybe they are all wrong. Idk, but they had to have a good reason to leave out 130 million Americans without a phone.

But, you still have choices. You can drop the carrier or you can grab any other phone you want to.

As a consumer, Google has created a forced decision upon me.

If I want this phone, I have to change my carrier.

When someone says to you, if you want this, you have to do this to get it, or you can't have it, how does that make you feel?

Now add that to the fact, they never made you make this choice two times prior.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't work for me.

I've enjoyed the nexus line on CDMA for a few years to boot, and now for some reason that cannot be properly explained to me, I'm no longer able to enjoy the product going forward.

I'm just ticked to death. I guess when Nissan stops producing the car I like to give the idea over to Hyundai to build, I will have to go buy a Hyundai....

...right?

Google = Open / Open = All Carriers, or does open now mean something else

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[ryanr509]

I'm on Sprint. I have the CDMA Galaxy Nexus. I had the Nexus S before it.

Google has flat out alienated me.

I have a CDMA carrier, I'm happy, I'm on a family plan heavily discounted through my employer, I'm not leaving.

These excuses by Google simply don't fly with me.

You can't allow me to purchase two prior great nexus devices, and then when the next generation comes out, say sorry, GSM only...

That sh!t just stinks. And it stinks bad.

It's alienation, period.

There's no good excuse here, period.

It cost extra to add a radio? Bull sh!t, Samsung didn't have any issue. Hell, LG has a flipping LTE phone coming out right beside this one, just skinned!

Failed user experience? I love my galaxy nexus!

Slow android updates sure to carrier compatibility? WHAT THE EFF IS APPLE DOING? NEW iOS, Update rolls out, you plug that sh!t into iTunes, and its done!

Seriously, this just bums me out.

All excuses are a dog and pony show...that's a fact.

What's next? The GS4 GSM only?

.....get real Google, we all know this has nothing to do with manufacturing costs, user experiences, etc.

I think LG has a major roll with this flop, and you don't want to hurt their feelings be saying do.

No CDMA nexus... what the crap is that?



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There is an article that explains how making a LTE/CDMA nexus wouldn't fly because those networks aren't open as gsm is. The phone is locked down on CDMA all the updates need to go through Verizon first. Which defeats the whole purpose of the nexus being Google's flagship. And I'm sure Google could care less about missing out on a couple bucks they would make with a lte nexus they only have 100 other android phones making money for them.

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[natehoy]

...and I agree why can Apple push updates on Sprint and Verizon no problem but Google had problems in the past

Apple is a single line of handsets that can pretty much guarantee millions of handsets for a specific carrier. AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon each have dedicated teams of people working with Apple to add their "special sauce" (radio drivers) to the base Apple firmware so when rollout day hits for a new iOS version (which happens 1-2 times a year) the firmware is ready and tested across the entire iOS install base. Apple release dates are regular and infrequent, and long-planned.

Google Nexus devices are a completely different beast. First, they represent a minority of Android sales, and a far lower install base than iPhones, probably by an order of magnitude. Second, updates to Nexus phones come out MUCH more frequently. When I got my Nexus Seven in July, it was already back one release before I powered it on (installed 4.1.1 the day I bought it). It's received another update (4.1.2) and a new release (4.2) is forthcoming in a matter of weeks (most likely).

Imagine having to partner with three carriers and tell them that they'd need to support a new update every two months for 500,000 handsets, when they are accustomed to selling 5,000,000 handsets and needing updates to them once or twice a year.

It's little wonder that Verizon and Sprint don't want to play ball this time around, and without their support Google simply cannot offer phones on their networks, because that's the way they run their networks. AT&T and other GSM-based US carriers have all pretty much implemented the same version of GSM with the same protocols and a defined set of frequencies. Build a GSM/CDMA/EDGE/HSPA+ phone and you'll get at least a decent 3G and possibly "Faux"G experience across a whole boodle of carriers, and the carriers don't need to be involved in building or testing the firmware.

Build a CDMA phone and you'll have to choose what carrier you want to run it on, and you'll need a different version for each carrier, and the carrier has to "play ball" or you can't connect.

 

[Woosh]

Koop

As a consumer, Google has created a forced decision upon me.

If I want this phone, I have to change my carrier.

When someone says to you, if you want this, you have to do this to get it, or you can't have it, how does that make you feel?

Now add that to the fact, they never made you make this choice two times prior.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't work for me.

I've enjoyed the nexus line on CDMA for a few years to boot, and now for some reason that cannot be properly explained to me, I'm no longer able to enjoy the product going forward.

I'm just ticked to death. I guess when Nissan stops producing the car I like to give the idea over to Hyundai to build, I will have to go buy a Hyundai....

...right?

Google = Open / Open = All Carriers, or does open now mean something else

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As a consumer EVERY company forces these things on you. You have the choice to buy the phone or not but they went with what was best for their company and their consumers.

Google gives you choice by ways of their partners and if you decide you want an Android phone on your carrier then you have that right. Heck, I wanted the Evo LTE on T-Mobile but I wasn't upset when it didn't go there. Its just the way things are. I can think outside of my fanboy box of thinking and open my eyes to reasonings behind it.

Google being open NEVER meant open to all carriers.

 

[gone down south]

Where exactly did you get the impression that Google owed you a cutting-edge phone on the carrier of your choice for half the market value of any other phone out there?

 

[anon62607]

My wife has the Galaxy S3, I've tried out her phone with LTE, while the speeds are fantastic, it's a huge battery hog and I turned it off her phone to save battery. If I had it on my phone I would probably keep it off most of the time too. In addition, I'm on wifi at home and work so 90% of the time i'd be on wifi anyway.

Out of curiosity how are you turning off LTE on the SGS3?

 

[Mac58]

Currently have Gnex on VZW/ Making the switch to save a couple hundred bucks ($30 a month vs 85 month). I literally have wifi EVERYWHERE I go (I am a med school student so I spend hours at school or at home). TMo's HSPA+ 42 should suffice if I am anywhere where I need to use internet to stream music and what not. Hope it works out for everyone regardless of what you plan to do

 

[fabulas]

Yes, I have LTE unlimited with VZW and I'm probably going to make the switch. LTE is a non factor for me. It stays off 99% of the time anyway. I really do hate VZW for various reasons. I currently have a Galaxy Nexus and Moto Xoom that I'll be upgrading to a Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 3g. I'll also save about $50 dollars a month. I'm just thinking of ways to adjust to the 16gb of storage.

 

[Small_law]

Yes, I have LTE unlimited with VZW and I'm probably going to make the switch. LTE is a non factor for me. It stays off 99% of the time anyway. I really do hate VZW for various reasons. I currently have a Galaxy Nexus and Moto Xoom that I'll be upgrading to a Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 3g. I'll also save about $50 dollars a month. I'm just thinking of ways to adjust to the 16gb of storage.

I'm on a Verizon GNex with unlimited data too, but I'm in an LTE area. The speeds are great but moving from a 3G area to an LTE area is still annoying. The switch isn't nearly as smooth as I hoped it would be right now.

Still, as much as I don't like Verizon, I'm not dropping it until I get the Nexus 4 in hand and try out T-Mo in the areas I live and travel. If T-Mo sucks and AT&T isn't better, I'm sticking with the GNex and sending the N4 back. I really hope that doesn't happen.

 

[fabulas]

I'm on a Verizon GNex with unlimited data too, but I'm in an LTE area. The speeds are great but moving from a 3G area to an LTE area is still annoying. The switch isn't nearly as smooth as I hoped it would be right now.

Still, as much as I don't like Verizon, I'm not dropping it until I get the Nexus 4 in hand and try out T-Mo in the areas I live and travel. If T-Mo sucks and AT&T isn't better, I'm sticking with the GNex and sending the N4 back. I really hope that doesn't happen.

I live in an LTE area as well. I will utilize my trial period extensively to make sure the service is acceptable. The LTE thing is more a theoretical thing for me since I keep it off 99% of the time due to unacceptable battery issues. TMoble is still faster than most people's home internet service. I've got a few weeks to fact find.

 

[XChrisX]

I've gotten as high as 59mbs down on LTE where I live, and am blanketed by it so giving it up on my S3 will be tough but perhaps vanilla Android will be worth it. I'll keep my S3, and if the trade offs aren't worth it, then I'll just sell the Nexus 4.

 

[Dr0me]

I took my roommates unlocked Galaxy s3 running on ATT HSPA+ and my VZW LTE Galaxy nexus and loaded web pages on them last night. The GS3 was faster. The processing speed and ram make the benefit of LTE almost null. If you run a speed benchmark LTE will blow it away but who really cares if practical use isnt as good. Going to a network like ATT is awesome too as they already have strong LTE so If 9 months down the road I want to go back to a newer phone with LTE, I can. However, I can enjoy the benefit of having an unlocked pure google experience with out any missed 3G/4G hand offs or delayed updates.

smell ya later Verizon and CDMA

 

[mazzmoney95]

First of all I left LTE out of this discussion..

And I leave theory to the theorists..

Read over my post again, maybe it will sink in this time.

This is strictly a situation where there had been no issues with providing a CDMA nexus TWICE before, and now they are just going to make it one sided.

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Did you really leave LTE out of the discussion? Would you honestly buy a Nexus 4 if it came on Sprints ty network without LTE? If you would, you really should switch from Sprint to ANYWHERE else. Seriously. Unless you're getting your family service for pennies I see no reason to stay on Sprint without the promise of LTE in the future.

 

[mzanette]

The whole LTE discussion has really gotten ridiculous in my opinion. I've seen a few articles that slam Google for not including LTE in this phone. To me, LTE isn't that important a feature on a smartphone. How much speed do you really need? Are you downloading torrents on your phone that you need massive downloading rates? HSPA+, when the network is good, provides more than enough download speed for the common tasks you would do on a phone. Other than that, you have wifi, which most people have easy access to. LTE has been blown way out of proportion.

 

[fabulas]

The whole LTE discussion has really gotten ridiculous in my opinion. I've seen a few articles that slam Google for not including LTE in this phone. To me, LTE isn't that important a feature on a smartphone. How much speed do you really need? Are you downloading torrents on your phone that you need massive downloading rates? HSPA+, when the network is good, provides more than enough download speed for the common tasks you would do on a phone. Other than that, you have wifi, which most people have easy access to. LTE has been blown way out of proportion.

I couldn't agree more. My LTE speeds are more of a bragging right. The battery drawbacks are simply not worth it! My Comcast home connection is only like 16mbs and I have no problems with the speed.


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[skyrockett]

dont care about LTE! Had two phones with LTE now with HSPA+ and i'm fine with that! It works fine but drains battery quickly .. it's uncontrollably fast! Gmail at one point cached 620mb out of my 2gb former data plan with a single connection..

 

[mzanette]

dont care about LTE! Had two phones with LTE now with HSPA+ and i'm fine with that! It works fine but drains battery quickly .. it's uncontrollably fast! Gmail at one point cached 620mb out of my 2gb former data plan with a single connection..

Yeah I was playing around with my wife's S3 to test out the LTE speeds when she first got it. I was astounded at the speedtest.net results, but after I got over that geek-thrill, I realized why would I ever need that speed? Also a few days in and my wife was complaining her battery died way too fast. I turned off LTE, problem solved.

 

[MrVivekB]

I have a HOX. LTE is barely needed, after the initial movie streaming into got bored with the tiny screen and now don't need it.

Unlocked and stock Android, that I need.

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