Pixel vs. S7

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

Hardware buttons are something I just like. When the phone is sitting on a counter or desk I can just tap the home button to turn it on. I like that. I spent a little over a year with a LG G3 and the tap to wake was cool at first but didn't always work the first time. I also don't like the screen buttons taking up part of my screen, with hardware buttons I can always back out, switch apps or go home. I don't have to fiddle with them being hidden. It seems like such a minor thing but for me I really hated that. It's why I've stuck with Samsung phones.

Ok, it is a different camera though they have most of the review noted specs the same. Prior to October 4th, the S7 Edge was tied for 1st place in a three way tie and then it was beaten, by the Pixel. The S8 will probably have a better camera than the S7 Edge, but it might not. History would indicate it should but the phone hasn't been released and the camera hasn't been analyzed so we can't really know that yet.

All of that said, when choosing between the Pixel and the S7, the possible quality of future devices wouldn't be relevant and the only data we have today is that, while the S7 Edge and Pixel are close in quality, the Pixel actually has a slight advantage that results it it being considered the best camera in a phone at this moment.

I don't see any slight advantage by the Pixel. The Pixel looks to be more of an equal to the iPhone 7 camera than the S7 Edge camera.

Also, he isn't choosing between the Pixel and the S7. He's choosing between the Pixel or a used S7 until the S8 is released. The S8 is a factor in his decision.

 

[Aquila]

I don't see any slight advantage by the Pixel. The Pixel looks to be more of an equal to the iPhone 7 camera than the S7 Edge camera.

Ok I would just suggest amending your position to be something like saying, "I choose not to credit the evidence available" rather than "I haven't seen any evidence". Because the evidence is there, from an objective standpoint and has been analyzed by professionals. Choosing not to believe in it is not the same thing as being unaware of its existence.

Edit to add: It's completely fine to prefer something that's objectively lesser than another. A great example of this is cameras, because it's very common for reviewers to select the best camera and another and prefer the other because of things that it does during post processing that makes it look better on the display they're using, etc. So it'd be acceptable to say, "I am aware that the Pixel has a better camera than the S7 Edge, however I like the interface on the S7 Edge and the pictures are more pleasing to me and so for me, the S7 Edge is my preferred camera". Or something to that effect.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

Ok I would just suggest amending your position to be something like saying, "I choose not to credit the evidence available" rather than "I haven't seen any evidence". Because the evidence is there, from an objective standpoint and has been analyzed by professionals. Choosing not to believe in it is not the same thing as being unaware of its existence.

I have seen images taken by the Pixel and I've seen video of the camera performance. Both look to be more on par with the iPhone 7 than the S7 Edge. The S7 Edge objectively focuses faster than the Pixel, for example. The images taken by the Pixel and camera performance look more or less on par with the iPhone 7.

 

[zezinhuutheman]

google because i think they outdid themselves with this phone, it's they're first and its a hit!

 

[Aquila]

I have seen images taken by the Pixel and I've seen video of the camera performance. Both look to be more on par with the iPhone 7 than the S7 Edge. The S7 Edge objectively focuses faster than the Pixel, for example. The images taken by the Pixel and camera performance look more or less on par with the iPhone 7.

This is getting to the same point. Are your preferences based on your viewing of photos through whatever equipment that you're using the same, from an value as evidence standpoint, as the analysis of objective experts using specialized equipment to measure the performance of each camera in controlled conditions? Of course they aren't. That doesn't mean you're wrong about which one you like more, but it does mean that your preference is not in line with the evidence.

 

[jd78]

I have seen images taken by the Pixel and I've seen video of the camera performance. Both look to be more on par with the iPhone 7 than the S7 Edge. The S7 Edge objectively focuses faster than the Pixel, for example. The images taken by the Pixel and camera performance look more or less on par with the iPhone 7.

This is getting to the same point. Are your preferences based on your viewing of photos through whatever equipment that you're using the same, from an value as evidence standpoint, as the analysis of objective experts using specialized equipment to measure the performance of each camera in controlled conditions? Of course they aren't. That doesn't mean you're wrong about which one you like more, but it does mean that your preference is not in line with the evidence.

No point arguing with this guy. He'll do whatever to champion Samsung... By using an industry standard to validate his point, while ignoring another that proves him wrong.

I get the whole iPhone vs. Android, but this silliness between different Android phones is dumb. Android is all about choices, and blindly following one brand goes against the idea of Android.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

This is getting to the same point. Are your preferences based on your viewing of photos through whatever equipment that you're using the same, from an value as evidence standpoint, as the analysis of objective experts using specialized equipment to measure the performance of each camera in controlled conditions? Of course they aren't. That doesn't mean you're wrong about which one you like more, but it does mean that your preference is not in line with the evidence.

My preference is in line with the evidence. This reminds me of the last time we had a "you can't tell things over your monitor" argument about the LG V20 and it turned out I was right that something was wrong with the display because the color temperature and color accuracy was way off.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

No point arguing with this guy. He'll do whatever to champion Samsung... By using an industry standard to validate his point, while ignoring another that proves him wrong.

I get the whole iPhone vs. Android, but this silliness between different Android phones is dumb. Android is all about choices, and blindly following one brand goes against the idea of Android.

I'm not blindly following any company. I may still end up buying the Pixel XL, but I'm also not ignorant. I've seen real-world images and videos with the Pixel/Pixel XL from 4 or 5 different people and so far, the Pixels seem to be more in line with the iPhone 7 than the S7 Edge.

 

[Aquila]

My preference is in line with the evidence.

Ok, I have provided the results of objective expert analysis that used equipment to objectively measure the different devices. What I would ask from you in order to refute that evidence is to produce a dissenting expert analysis that is also objective, using equipment to measure the quality of each and is analyzing all of the same devices (or more) and ranking them according to their findings.

Because the evidence that we have is in direct contradiction to your preference - and at this point it is impossible to continue a discussion about objective quality if we cannot reconcile the difference between the evidence and your preference when they clearly disagree. Your statement that the evidence does support your claim - when it clearly and obviously does - not actually weakens your case. Using the chart below, we could ask 100 people what the rank of the first line is and what the rank of the third line is and we should get 100% of respondents saying that a 1 is on the 1st line and a 2 is on the third line. If there was any variance, it would be from people who are either a) lying b) delusional or c) incompetent at the task of identifying that information.

 

[buzzyapyear]

Welp. All the input has been really great!, thanks everyone for chiming in. In this case, a persistent state of indecision had led to a first world solution to a first world problem: get both, and see what happens. Just grabbed a used S7 and will keep the pixel preorder. Will sell/return one of them. Sweep the decision under the rug! Never do today what you can do tomorrow!

Rooting for the assistant to be a game changer... I think my heart is basically in pure Android.

 

[Free_Sparrow]

A smartphone is more than just the camera, the main part is the software and software experience. Who can tell this yet about the Pixel. But I am sure Googlel prepared well for this and I hope as well as Samsung for the S7 and not as for the Note 7.

 

[LuifeAllen]

Both are great phone but i think the Pixel is better than the S7, get the pixel bro.

 

[Richard Servello]

As of right now, I see no evidence that the Pixel has a better camera than the Nexus 6P. It looks like a marginally better version of the Nexus 6P camera. Plus the S8 will come out soon and easily beat all challengers in camera performance again.

Well, except dxo. The best photo analysis company in the world.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

Well, except dxo. The best photo analysis company in the world.

The photo evidence so far doesn't match their conclusions.

 

[Matty]

Pixel 128GB would be my vote. That Snapdragon 821 is a beast. Plus, its got a ok camera, it will do lol

 

[grob9642]

All in all I think the priority software updates for the Pixel give it a slight edge. Just my two cents!

 

[tcatnat]

Says some dude with eyes that has seen Pixel photos taken by roughly 4 every day people.

Those are exactly the photos you can't use to judge camera performance. You have no idea who those people are (or maybe you do), lighting situation, overall environment, were they shaking like a leaf, etc. You have been delivered a ratings chart for phones evaluated by an independent 3rd party who specializes in this area and you want to use images taken by Joe six pack to argue your point.

Next you will say the S7 is faster because my friend said it feels faster regardless of what the benchmarks say. There will be more camera ratings in the next 1-2 weeks I'm sure so time will tell if the Pixel camera holds up.

 

[badelhas]

I dont really like the price they ask for either phone but I have glass phones so that answers that question. Its kind of dumb building something with glass only when everyone knows we will eventually drop it.

 

[cactuspete23]

Wish all phones had microSD card capability. Hate to be charged so much for internal memory that is really cheap for manufacturers to install.

 

[sydneycooper1979]

Mod Note: Let's keep the discussion civil. No need to bicker with each other just because we don't agree