Rant about SPECS!!!

[anon(11078)]

Now is about the Krait 300 Cores.

First it was about the adreno 320. Now you gave up that argument knowing that MSM8960 With Adreno 320 was announced back in February 2012.

So the Moto X is a marginally upgraded 2012 MSM8960 Pro (Krait 300 gives it maybe 10% speed increase?) with the same Adreno 320 from over a year ago.

The Krait 300 didn't go into production until January so obviously they couldn't ship devices with it in 2012, but they were announcing it at the end of 2012.

And for the umpteenth time, saying the Moto X has no 2012 technology is false. What is an S4 Pro With Adreno 320 if not 2012 technology? So they bumped up a little bit upgrading to Krait 300. Whoopteedoo!

It doesn't matter how much Motorola pays you to come here and spew the X8 propaganda.

This is the reason why they never mentioned exactly what was inside the Moto X in the unveiling. They covered it up with the talk about the X8 and the phoney boloney graphic they showed the world that you alway manage to ignore when replying.

In reality the Moto X is based on marginally upgraded 2012 technology; with the addition of a couple of cores to take care of their Moto x exclusive features.

The krait 300 processor is a 2013 technology by you admission. So what exactly is the 2012 technology you're talking about? I honestly can't follow your reasoning.

By the way the discussion re: the krait 200 vs. the krait 300 was mentioned very early in this thread.

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[Haalcyon]

Why do people still argue about specs? Do you NOT get the bigger picture ?!

Look at the iPhone. Its been "lagging behind in specs' since forever right? Yet look how it operates to the end-user. Its flawless. It doesn't stutter, it just works perfectly. Now when someone who isn't tech savy goes to look for a phone, they see an iPhone that doesnt hiccup at all and then a GS4 whose ALL-MIGHT SPECS still lag like its 2005. Samsung doesn't optimize its OS at all clearly. Doing simple **** like opening contacts LAG. Who wants that?! What person that goes to a store would want this after 2 minutes of playing with it they see that it just does not operate right? No body.

Sure the GS4 is capable of more, but to the general person does it matter? Absolutely not! This is why iPhone is where it is. This is what Google is trying to accomplish here. Optimized specs for Google's software. Yes, its not the S800 quad-core 2.6GHZ with 5 gb of ram. So freakin' what?! The phone works! That Samcrap lag is gone! And on top of it, you get the benefits of an Android which is a more capable OS then iOS.

People really need to stop ********.

Android fans have often touted specs, you may have even been guilty of that at some point too. With so so so so so many different devices specs were often the differentiator. Now the X comes along with what some see as modest specs but Motorola and X fans have decided that, therefore, "spec-importance" doesn't apply to this device. That may take some time to catch, that's all.

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[ajarnfalang]

Which "2012" phone had the S4 Pro (with Krait 300 cores) and the Adreno 320 GPU?

Hahaha.

So you're proven wrong and now you're into questions that I already answered.

The Krait 300 didn't begin manufacturing until Jan 2013. The answer to your question is NONE.

And that doesn't mean there is NO 2012 TECHNOLOGY INSIDE A MOTO X.

Hopefully now he gets it. Otherwise forget it. I can keep repeating the same post forever.

 

[roadkizzle]

Now is about the Krait 300 Cores.

First it was about the adreno 320. Now you gave up that argument knowing that MSM8960 With Adreno 320 was announced back in February 2012.

So the Moto X is a marginally upgraded 2012 MSM8960 Pro (Krait 300 gives it maybe 10% speed increase?) with the same Adreno 320 from over a year ago.

The Krait 300 didn't go into production until January so obviously they couldn't ship devices with it in 2012, but they were announcing it at the end of 2012.

And for the umpteenth time, saying the Moto X has no 2012 technology is false. What is an S4 Pro With Adreno 320 if not 2012 technology? So they bumped up a little bit upgrading to Krait 300. Whoopteedoo!

It doesn't matter how much Motorola pays you to come here and spew the X8 propaganda.

This is the reason why they never mentioned exactly what was inside the Moto X in the unveiling. They covered it up with the talk about the X8 and the phoney boloney graphic they showed the world that you alway manage to ignore when replying.

In reality the Moto X is based on marginally upgraded 2012 technology; with the addition of a couple of cores to take care of their Moto x exclusive features.

If you consider the completely new architecture of the Krait 300 a negligible upgrade from the different 2012 S4 Pro then ALL 2013 phones are worthless because they are using 2012 processors that have been slightly modified by switching the Krait 200s to 300s.

In fact the Krait 400 was announced at the same time as the 300... Therefore the LG G2 is just using last year's hardware because all Qualcomm did was switch their Krait 200 cores for Krait 400 ones and we all know that the processor architecture is completely modular and is really all the same.

 

[ajarnfalang]

The krait 300 processor is a 2013 technology by you admission. So what exactly is the 2012 technology you're talking about? I honestly can't follow your reasoning.

By the way the discussion re: the krait 200 vs. the krait 300 was mentioned very early in this thread.

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You really want me to repeat it again?

Now you're just trolling.

Is Motorola paying you per post?

 

[Farish]

Man Intel should get out of business because those 5-7 percent gains on Haswell versus Ivy Bridge...

 

[Ry]

Hahaha.

So you're proven wrong and now you're into questions that I already answered.

The Krait 300 didn't begin manufacturing until Jan 2013. The answer to your question is NONE.

And that doesn't mean there is NO 2012 TECHNOLOGY INSIDE A MOTO X.

Hopefully now he gets it. Otherwise forget it. I can keep repeating the same post forever.

Do you accept that all of these "2013" phones are just marginal improvements over "2012" phones?

By your logic, every 2013 phone has 2012 technology - just "marginally" upgraded. And that's fine. But if you want to dismiss the Moto X for "2012" technology, the all other "2013" phones must be dismissed as well.

Here I am agreeing with you. See bolded. I accept that the Moto X has technology from 2012. Your statement is not false.

Just looking for clarification, which you ignored.

 

[ajarnfalang]

If you consider the completely new architecture of the Krait 300 a negligible upgrade from the different 2012 S4 Pro then ALL 2013 phones are worthless because they are using 2012 processors that have been slightly modified by switching the Krait 200s to 300s.

In fact the Krait 400 was announced at the same time as the 300... Therefore the LG G2 is just using last year's hardware because all Qualcomm did was switch their Krait 200 cores for Krait 400 ones and we all know that the processor architecture is completely modular and is really all the same.

Completely wrong again. That's because you live in Google.

The LG G2 is a Snapdragon 800, Adreno 330. = totally new Tech

Moto X (here we go again) - S4 Pro (krait 300) with Adreno 320 = marginally updated 2012 hardware.

 

[thegrants82]

If the Moto X costs as much as the GS4 to produce as you say then Motorola is really doing something wrong because half the phone should cost half the price........

But it's been shown that the Moto X costs about as much to make as the Galaxy S4, which I'm guessing you wouldn't qualify as a "mid tier" phone. And the iPhone 5 probably costs less to make than the Moto X, and that's Apple's "flagship." The Moto X is priced the same as both at retail.

So what, exactly, are you talking about?

 

[ajarnfalang]

Do you accept that all of these "2013" phones are just marginal improvements over "2012" phones?



Here I am agreeing with you. See bolded. I accept that the Moto X has technology from 2012. Your statement is not false.

Just looking for clarification, which you ignored.

No. I don't accept that.

Snapdragon 800 Quad Core and a Snapdragon S4 Pro dual Core with krait 300 are not the same.

One is slightly updated old tech and the other one is completely new.

 

[Haalcyon]

Completely wrong again. That's because you live in Google.

The LG G2 is a Snapdragon 800, Adreno 330. = totally new Tech

Moto X (here we go again) - S4 Pro (krait 300) with Adreno 320 = marginally updated 2012 hardware.

Why does it matter whether or not the Moto X uses yester-year tech or not?

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[ajarnfalang]

If the Moto X costs as much as the GS4 to produce as you say then Motorola is really doing something wrong because half the phone should cost half the price........

Wow. You guys really don't read

Here we go again

It costs the same not because of the phone but because it is manufactured in the USA while the S4 is made by slaves.

Ok?

 

[ajarnfalang]

Why does it matter whether or not the Moto X uses yester-year tech or not?

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Ahahaha.

Here we go

I said, a few pages ago, that the Moto X is doing an Apple. Specs don't matter. What matters is the experience.

And this is how this all started.

Ok?

 

[anon(847090)]

wonder if ajarnfalang is paid by someone to trash talk X. just like what samsung did with HTC One. I have doubts on Crapple

 

[JungleLarry]

wonder if ajarnfalang is paid by someone to trash talk X. just like what samsung did with HTC One. I have doubts on Crapple

He's actually not trash talking the Moto X. He's said before that the experience outweighs the specs. That's what he means by "Motorola pulling an Apple" (paraphrased).

Right now we're just arguing for the sake of arguing. It's pretty neat.

 

[LegalAmerican]

He's got 102 posts and 101 of them are in this pointless thread.

Still never answered my question about whether or not he's used it. Who cares if it has some 2012 features/hardware/whatever that's been "marginally improved" for 2013. I would imagine every single device on the market in 2013 could fall into that same category. Gorilla Glass 3 is a marginal improvement over 2012's Gorilla Glass 2. 1080p is a marginal improvement over 2012's 720p (not getting into the way the screen is actually produced).

 

[roadkizzle]

Completely wrong again. That's because you live in Google.

The LG G2 is a Snapdragon 800, Adreno 330. = totally new Tech

Moto X (here we go again) - S4 Pro (krait 300) with Adreno 320 = marginally updated 2012 hardware.

Why are you so caught up on the name that Qualcomm gave their processor? Yes they named it a S4 Pro, but that really means nothing more than Snapdragon 600, Snapdragon 800, or X8.

The only thing the Moto X processors have in common with 2012 ones is the fact that it only has two main processing cores and the Adreno 320.

We really need to get rid off of using the marketing names.

In 2012 we dual core Krait 200 processors and quad core Krait 200 ones.
In 2013 we have Krait 300 cores. The X8 utilizes a dual core Krait 300 while the Galaxy s4 and One both use quad core Krait 300s. The LG G2 really just uses a quad core Krait 400.

The X8 is much closer to the Snapdragon 600 processor, which can be seen by looking at the benchmark scores. The Moto X barely trails behind the Snapdragon 600 phones while is close to double the scores of all the 2012 S4 Pro's.

Yes there is 2012 technology, but no more than in any other 2013 phones especially the ones that it is closest to.

 

[Paisley]

Why does it matter whether or not the Moto X uses yester-year tech or not?

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Srsly. That s?t only matters if you?re in some sort of agro meathead spec race war, which is completely stupid. If your S4 doesn?t run as well on its quad core, and putting a dual core + whatever the heck else they?re doing makes the X run smooth, go ahead and lust after the G2 cuz it?s is now more agro than your laggy-arse S4 and you can?t bear the thought of using a dual core. Who cares.

What are these people doing? taking their big-arse plasticy-feeling laggy phone out at parties and bragging that's it's got the latest hardware which is actually no longer the latest cuz the G2 came out? wha??? that is just beyond lame. seriously, beyond. I think that?s what they?re actually doing, I really do. lol. Meanwhile we have the S4's at my company and people can't wait to get rid of them.

 

[Dregur]

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[Ry]

No. I don't accept that.

Snapdragon 800 Quad Core and a Snapdragon S4 Pro dual Core with krait 300 are not the same.

One is slightly updated old tech and the other one is completely new.

This is all I needed. LOL.