Really?!? - yet another battery rant

taalibeen

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I could have sworn that after the most recent update my battery life had improved. However this morning I unplugged my phone at 8:08 and by 8:43 my phone was down to 83%!

What had I done in the time in between? Refreshed Friend Stream and updated my status via it, that's it.
 
have you installed anything lately? If so, uninstall whatever that may have been.
 
Get Spare Parts to see what's actually using battery. Get System Panel to see what's using CPU. It's likely something is stuck trying to do an update of some sort. A reboot would solve that; the tools above will tell you what's stuck.
 
Also, how long had your phone been on the charger? I've seen a lot of posts suggesting that the phone stops charging once that battery reaches 100% - i.e. there is no trickle charge. So, if had been plugged in at 100% for six, seven, eight hours before you unplugged it what your seeing might be about right.
 
Yeah. Mine always drains to ~85 percent within 20 minutes. Then after that its normal and by lunch time its around 60%
 
dl Task Killer. You might be running some apps without knowing it. Also, if you're at work, or another stationary location, turn off your GPS (no real need for it!) and your WiFi (unless you really need it). Live Wallpapers could also be the culprit!

I actually have made 2 different scenes: one for work and one for home. I usually charge my phone at home so my "work" scene contains less battery draining widgets, no WiFi or GPS on, no live wallpaper and, I use task killer to kill off any apps that I may have left on.
 
whenever i start to see battery life get shorter quicker, i'll restart my phone and things get back to normal. i dont want to obsess about task killers
 
Have you actually checked the sticky at the top of the forum related to battery issues. Is a long read but has lots of insights as to why this happens and how others have improved the battery life.
 
This is strangle similar to the iPhone's "displaying the wrong number of bars" for signal strength. I'm convinced now that the EVO is displaying the wrong percentage for battery remaining.

There are various ways to fill it all the way up, but the facts are that if you just fill it up to "full" with the phone turned on...well it doesn't actually. It stops before it gets there but it doesn't keep going. You have to either turn it off after it says it's "full", then unplug and charge again and repeat until full, or use a wall charger.
 
UGH..





okay... Here's what happens.
You charge your phone at night.
After your phone gets to 100%, BAM, stops charging.
Next day, you wake up and the battery is really at like 87% but reports 100%.




Get it?
Otherwise, if you charge until it hits 100%... then take it off the charger, it should say 100% for another 1-4 hours of standby depending on signal.



For example, I'm at 70% and 19h 22m in.... mostly standby, little texting/browsing, 50% brightness.
How? If I charge at night, I unplug and plug it back in ... in the morning. This should make the battery go back up to 100%
OR
I don't charge overnight and charge it up to 100% and take it out sometime during the day. It only takes like 1-2 hours...







... And I get like 40 hours of light texting/browsing/standby.
I had to space my post out so you could get some answers.... in this thread full of people telling you to get a task killer.
 
dl Task Killer. You might be running some apps without knowing it. Also, if you're at work, or another stationary location, turn off your GPS (no real need for it!) and your WiFi (unless you really need it). Live Wallpapers could also be the culprit!

I actually have made 2 different scenes: one for work and one for home. I usually charge my phone at home so my "work" scene contains less battery draining widgets, no WiFi or GPS on, no live wallpaper and, I use task killer to kill off any apps that I may have left on.

Live Wallpapers use cpu and power only when they're displayed. If you're in another app, or your screen is off, they have no impact at all.

WiFi is a battery killer if you have it on with no signal available, because it spends all it's time hunting for a signal.

As for Task Killers, you shouldn't need one unless you have a poorly coded app, in which case you're better off using other tools (System Panel, Spare Parts) to find out what the bad app is.)
 
This has nothing to do with task killers, rogue apps, or wifi. It has everything to do with a charging bug. Read this thread: http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-evo-4g/18215-why-your-battery-drops-10-15-first-20-minutes.html

I'm convinced that this is now the #1 battery problem on the Evo. I'm not sure if the bug is in the battery's circuitry, or in the Evo's firmware, but it's definitely a bug. Please call or email HTC and/or Sprint. This is a boneheaded defect and it needs to get some visibility.
 
Lithium Batteries operate best when not fully charged. I think the Evo is set to properly conserve the best environment for the battery. The down side to that is the end-user thinks the battery is draining immensely, when in fact, the battery may never been allowed to be fully charged. Seems like some programming on the battery meter to sort of space it out evenly could be done, but oh well.
 
This has nothing to do with task killers, rogue apps, or wifi. It has everything to do with a charging bug. Read this thread: http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-evo-4g/18215-why-your-battery-drops-10-15-first-20-minutes.html

I'm convinced that this is now the #1 battery problem on the Evo. I'm not sure if the bug is in the battery's circuitry, or in the Evo's firmware, but it's definitely a bug. Please call or email HTC and/or Sprint. This is a boneheaded defect and it needs to get some visibility.

I have to agree with this...


Lithium Batteries operate best when not fully charged. I think the Evo is set to properly conserve the best environment for the battery. The down side to that is the end-user thinks the battery is draining immensely, when in fact, the battery may never been allowed to be fully charged. Seems like some programming on the battery meter to sort of space it out evenly could be done, but oh well.

I have to respectfully disagree with the spirit of your comment.

I am no chemist so I will not dispute the validity of your assertion regarding the relationship between charge and operational performance on Lithium batteries. I disagree with your statement about the need to correct the battery meter with some programming; I don't believe this is the problem with the Evo battery life.

When you charge the battery overnight as Kedar stated, the meter reads 100% immediately after unpluging the phone, only to drop to the low 90's or upper 80's ten to fifteen minutes on idle. If you continue to use the phone as such you get shorter battery time which is what most Evo users complain about. However, if instead you just plug the phone again and charge until green, then continue to use the phone as usual, most people (including myself) do experience significant increment in said battery life.

If, as I think you implied above, you just tweak the battery meter routine to report 100% where it used to report low 90's or high 80's before, I fail to see how this can potentially improve the use time on the device from that particular charge.
 
If, as I think you implied above, you just tweak the battery meter routine to report 100% where it used to report low 90's or high 80's before, I fail to see how this can potentially improve the use time on the device from that particular charge.

Definitely agree. It won't improve usage time but it may calm folks down who see the dramatic jump.

More research on lithium battery technology:
Charging lithium-ion batteries
 
UGH..





okay... Here's what happens.
You charge your phone at night.
After your phone gets to 100%, BAM, stops charging.
Next day, you wake up and the battery is really at like 87% but reports 100%.




Get it?
Otherwise, if you charge until it hits 100%... then take it off the charger, it should say 100% for another 1-4 hours of standby depending on signal.



For example, I'm at 70% and 19h 22m in.... mostly standby, little texting/browsing, 50% brightness.
How? If I charge at night, I unplug and plug it back in ... in the morning. This should make the battery go back up to 100%
OR
I don't charge overnight and charge it up to 100% and take it out sometime during the day. It only takes like 1-2 hours...







... And I get like 40 hours of light texting/browsing/standby.
I had to space my post out so you could get some answers.... in this thread full of people telling you to get a task killer.


This is EXACTLY what's the problem. That's it.It has nothing to do with live wallpapers, nothing to do with apps running in the background, NONE of that. It's 100000000% because the phone stops charging once it reaches 100% and starts using the battery for power. I recently bought $10 kit that comes with 2 battery and a wall charger. Putting the OEM battery on the wall charger overnight has proven this to me. This morning immidiately after putting the bat back in the phone I browsed online, checked engadget, tweeted, checked email all for a total of about 15 minutes. Still stayed at 100%. Usually it would be at about 80-85% by then. I'm getting close to 20hrs of medium to heavy use now because the battery is getting a legit full slow charge.
 
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We already have 20 battery threads from the last 24 hours. Couldnt you post in one of them?

Sorry but i just get annoyed when i have to open the forum and look at half a screen of stickys, then to find the bottom of the screen to be either a battery rant or something that has to do with Sedio.
 
@Jerzyiroc I didn't quite follow the last part of your post. Are you saying that an aftermarket battery fixed the problem for you?
 
This is EXACTLY what's the problem. That's it.It has nothing to do with live wallpapers, nothing to do with apps running in the background, NONE of that. It's 100000000% because the phone stops charging once it reaches 100% and starts using the battery for power. I recently bought $10 kit that comes with 2 battery and a wall charger. Putting the OEM battery on the wall charger overnight has proven this to me. This morning immidiately after putting the bat back in the phone I browsed online, checked engadget, tweeted, checked email all for a total of about 15 minutes. Still stayed at 100%. Usually it would be at about 80-85% by then. I'm getting close to 20hrs of medium to heavy use now because the battery is getting a legit full slow charge.

That is incorrect.

Once the phone charges to what we read as "100%," the phone does not begin to run off the battery.

What is happening is that as the battery reaches a charge of 4.2 VDC (maximum safe), the phone stops charging the battery as storing a Li+ battery at full charge significantly reduces it's lifespan. The charging circuitry powers the phone and charges the battery in parallel. The phone is not running off the battery alone.

The effect you're seeing is that a Li+ battery cannot maintain a maximum charge for very long. So while the maximum capacity of the battery is 4.2 V, it's nominal voltage is down around 3.8 V. So, without being charged, the battery will slowly discharge on it's own toward a voltage closer to it's nominal voltage. If there was a problem, the discharge wouldn't level off as it does. That 7 - 10% you lose in the first 20 minutes would continue and the battery would die in under two hours.

This is why removing the charge and re-applying it is effective. By removing it and returning it, it resets the charging system within the phone that will allow you to charge the battery back up to max again. As long as you take the phone off the charger when it's at that max point, you're getting the best life of the battery possible. However, if you left it on for another couple hours, it will self-discharge again.

So this is not a defect, it's by design to preserve the battery. The battery percentage reported by various apps is actually somewhat subjective. "100%" can be based on either the absolute maximum charge the battery can hold, which is what all the apps are doing. Or, you can figure the percentage based on the nominal voltage of the battery. So at the max 4.2 V could then be interpreted as close to "120%" of the nominal voltage.

If you want to verify this and have access to a voltmeter, do this: charge the battery to max using the remove/replace charging method. Now, remove the battery from the phone and take a reading; it should be around 4.18 V. Leave the battery out for a couple hours and take a reading again. You'll find that the battery is around 4.0 V. After a couple more hours, you'll find it won't vary much from that.

This is part of the reason that companies use somewhat obscure bars to indicate battery level opposed to a precise measurement. The discharge of a Li+ battery is a bit funky if you don't know about them and can cause panic and confusion if you look to closely.