Removable battery a complete non issue if your considering a S4 Vs. One

[The Hustleman]

The only time the lack of removable battery should be an issue is when your battery goes bad.....

Now with modern tech, your battery is suppose to last at least a couple years.

That's what they say...

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[Rule9]

I owned an Atrix 4G for 2 years. It had both the things that the Samsung owners OCD about. On that beaten up crappy old 2011 tech phone I never had to replace the battery, never bought a spare, and never used or needed the SD card. Far more harping and groaning is dedicated to this issue than it merits. Some people like them, ok we get it. They aren't god like features you need to enshrine and worship like an idol that grants any phone that has it automatic supremacy. Sheesh Betty Parris and Abigail Williams much?

I see SO many people post this idiotic comment on device reviews: "no sd card, no removable battery, no sale". Right, because aside from all the other specs you just read about, the CPU chip+RAM, the OEM's skin, the camera features, the other features, the audio, the build quality, the display, reception.... this is what it boils down to for you: t3h SD kard and remuvible batteree. In my books that makes you pretty much on even footing with a door wedge. Seriously what's wrong with these people? That car doesn't have a cigarette lighter? Fail! Fail!

 

[dchawk81]

I owned an Atrix 4G for 2 years. It had both the things that the Samsung owners OCD about. On that beaten up crappy old 2011 tech phone I never had to replace the battery, never bought a spare, and never used or needed the SD card. Far more harping and groaning is dedicated to this issue than it merits. Some people like them, ok we get it. They aren't god like features you need to enshrine and worship like an idol that grants any phone that has it automatic supremacy. Sheesh Betty Parris and Abigail Williams much?

I see SO many people post this idiotic comment on device reviews: "no sd card, no removable battery, no sale". Right, because aside from all the other specs you just read about, the CPU chip+RAM, the OEM's skin, the camera features, the other features, the audio, the build quality, the display, reception.... this is what it boils down to for you: t3h SD kard and remuvible batteree. In my books that makes you pretty much on even footing with a door wedge. Seriously what's wrong with these people? That car doesn't have a cigarette lighter? Fail! Fail!

Really? Tell me more about how your experience mirrors EVERYONE else's and other lifestyles are, well, wrong.

I just had to swap my battery tonight. That's umm..an incorrect way to live by your logic. By your logic, I really should have plugged my phone into my car and left it there, running back to said vehicle to check on the off chance I missed a call or notification or needed to place a call or use it in any other way.

Sorry sir but I like to have my phone with me so that I hear the ringtones of notifications and calls. I like it to be in my pocket when I need to make a call...or use it in any other way.

No, I don't want to be those iPhone people who we used to laugh at because they were always hooked to a laptop or power outlet, waiting for a few percentage points of power then taking it with them in the hopes that they got enough to get by again.

Telling me my needs are basically WRONG because they're different from yours underlines your ignorance.

 

[tohio]

I owned an Atrix 4G for 2 years. It had both the things that the Samsung owners OCD about. On that beaten up crappy old 2011 tech phone I never had to replace the battery, never bought a spare, and never used or needed the SD card. Far more harping and groaning is dedicated to this issue than it merits. Some people like them, ok we get it. They aren't god like features you need to enshrine and worship like an idol that grants any phone that has it automatic supremacy. Sheesh Betty Parris and Abigail Williams much?

I see SO many people post this idiotic comment on device reviews: "no sd card, no removable battery, no sale". Right, because aside from all the other specs you just read about, the CPU chip+RAM, the OEM's skin, the camera features, the other features, the audio, the build quality, the display, reception.... this is what it boils down to for you: t3h SD kard and remuvible batteree. In my books that makes you pretty much on even footing with a door wedge. Seriously what's wrong with these people? That car doesn't have a cigarette lighter? Fail! Fail!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, no removable battery, no SD card no sale. Why do you even care what other phone owners demand form their phones? Do you really think your wants and needs reflect what the rest of the phone buying public wants?

 

[mrbootcrm]

Really? Tell me more about how your experience mirrors EVERYONE else's and other lifestyles are, well, wrong.

I just had to swap my battery tonight. That's umm..an incorrect way to live by your logic. By your logic, I really should have plugged my phone into my car and left it there, running back to said vehicle to check on the off chance I missed a call or notification or needed to place a call or use it in any other way.

Sorry sir but I like to have my phone with me so that I hear the ringtones of notifications and calls. I like it to be in my pocket when I need to make a call...or use it in any other way.

No, I don't want to be those iPhone people who we used to laugh at because they were always hooked to a laptop or power outlet, waiting for a few percentage points of power then taking it with them in the hopes that they got enough to get by again.

Telling me my needs are basically WRONG because they're different from yours underlines your ignorance.

I think the point is there are better options than a battery swap. External battery packs are small, lightweight and have many times the capacity of a second battery. Big plus for being relatively inexpensive as well. And before you reply that an external battery pack doesn't get you back to full immediately why does that matter? Is there something you do on a regular basis that would completely prohibit your phone being tethered to a same size, if not smaller object for a short time? Just plug your phone into the external pack when you aren't using it and your phone should be full power all day. That's the conclusion I came to at least. Like I said before the other day I was wandering around Old San Juan with my solio in my cargo pocket and I hardly noticed(if you just use one of the non solar packs they are much much smaller.) When my phone got to about half battery I plugged it into the solio and used it pretty much as normal, just with a cord coming from my pocket. I had full battery at the end of day and never once had to stop taking pictures or talking to friends.

Edit: I forgot to mention the best part of using an external battery pack as opposed to swapping is the frequent charging will increase battery health and lifespan. If you don't swap until the battery is very low you are decreasing the life of the battery in the long run.

 

[tohio]

I think the point is there are better options than a battery swap. External battery packs are small, lightweight and have many times the capacity of a second battery. Big plus for being relatively inexpensive as well. And before you reply that an external battery pack doesn't get you back to full immediately why does that matter? Is there something you do on a regular basis that would completely prohibit your phone being tethered to a same size, if not smaller object for a short time? Just plug your phone into the external pack when you aren't using it and your phone should be full power all day. That's the conclusion I came to at least. Like I said before the other day I was wandering around Old San Juan with my solio in my cargo pocket and I hardly noticed(if you just use one of the non solar packs they are much much smaller.) When my phone got to about half battery I plugged it into the solio and used it pretty much as normal, just with a cord coming from my pocket. I had full battery at the end of day and never once had to stop taking pictures or talking to friends.

Edit: I forgot to mention the best part of using an external battery pack as opposed to swapping is the frequent charging will increase battery health and lifespan. If you don't swap until the battery is very low you are decreasing the life of the battery in the long run.

Take a look at a Galaxy s4 battery and compare it to a battery pack. How do you carry the battery pack around all day? I can put the spare S4 battery in my pocket and don't have the need to carry a back pack, fanny pack or other extra encumbrance. Yes you can carry the battery pack in you pocket if you want to look like a geek in heat. Let's face it, aside from all the face saving comments about why a removable battery is not important, it is the easiest way to ensure you have power when you need it. Those touting battery packs and battery cases realize this but because their phone of choice doesn't have a removable they are forced to defend their decision to buy it. When it comes to power options we all know that's true but I don't expect anyone with a sealed in battery to admit it.

 

[dchawk81]

I think the point is there are better options than a battery swap. External battery packs are small, lightweight and have many times the capacity of a second battery. Big plus for being relatively inexpensive as well. And before you reply that an external battery pack doesn't get you back to full immediately why does that matter? Is there something you do on a regular basis that would completely prohibit your phone being tethered to a same size, if not smaller object for a short time? Just plug your phone into the external pack when you aren't using it and your phone should be full power all day. That's the conclusion I came to at least. Like I said before the other day I was wandering around Old San Juan with my solio in my cargo pocket and I hardly noticed(if you just use one of the non solar packs they are much much smaller.) When my phone got to about half battery I plugged it into the solio and used it pretty much as normal, just with a cord coming from my pocket. I had full battery at the end of day and never once had to stop taking pictures or talking to friends.

Edit: I forgot to mention the best part of using an external battery pack as opposed to swapping is the frequent charging will increase battery health and lifespan. If you don't swap until the battery is very low you are decreasing the life of the battery in the long run.

I work, I hang out with my nephews, I take pictures, I make videos. I do all kinds of things that make attaching a battery brick to the bottom of my phone via USB absolutely ridiculous. Even more absurd is the battery pack in a pocket with a cable coming out of it to my phone. I mean, really? That's the better solution to swapping out? I'd call it a workaround.

As far as battery lifespan, I don't see any harm when it goes in another charger. Charging is charging as far as I'm aware. I don't believe it matters whether that battery is charged while it's in the phone or out of it.

Anything beyond just using the phone as it comes from the factory is simply a workaround for not having a removable battery, and amounts to the same concept of "Crap. My phone doesn't have enough juice to last."

 

[mrbootcrm]

Take a look at a Galaxy s4 battery and compare it to a battery pack. How do you carry the battery pack around all day? I can put the spare S4 battery in my pocket and don't have the need to carry a back pack, fanny pack or other extra encumbrance. Yes you can carry the battery pack in you pocket if you want to look like a geek in heat. Let's face it, aside from all the face saving comments about why a removable battery is not important, it is the easiest way to ensure you have power when you need it. Those touting battery packs and battery cases realize this but because their phone of choice doesn't have a removable they are forced to defend their decision to buy it. When it comes to power options we all know that's true but I don't expect anyone with a sealed in battery to admit it.

If I owned a phone right now with a removable battery I'd still go the external route. How big do you think these things are? A fanny pack? I saw an anker with something like 13000mah that was smaller than my phone. I know they make smaller capacities. But even all that aside, I'd still do it because of the positive aspects of frequent charging. I think they make one with like 6000mah that's the size of a lipstick tube... I'm sorry but your arguing and demanding the removable battery is a tired argument. If you don't like it fine, but there are better alternatives to solve the problem and you seem to be ignorant of them. A fanny pack... Really...

If something like http://www.ianker.com/anker-astro-external-battery-backup-charger/product/79ANS1052-BA doesn't fit in your pocket you need looser pants.

Edit to inform you: the more you discharge a battery before recharge the less life it will have. If you constantly drain the battery to 20% or less it will have much less life. I'll go link the article again if you need but it's been posted and mentioned three times in this forum so a simple search should find it. The less you let a battery drain before recharging the longer life it'll have.

Another edit: are you saying that you are always "working, hanging with nephews, etc?" that you cannot set your phone down for 30 minutes to an hour for quick top ups? If that's the case I assume you'd be going through five or six spares a day. Honestly I'm done. If you demand a removable battery go right ahead. I've heard the argument so many times and it's always the same thing, "my life demands that I never see a power outlet for 15 hours a day and there's no way I can carry anything but a replacement battery around with me."

 

[tohio]

If I owned a phone right now with a removable battery I'd still go the external route. How big do you think these things are? A fanny pack? I saw an anker with something like 13000mah that was smaller than my phone. I know they make smaller capacities. But even all that aside, I'd still do it because of the positive aspects of frequent charging. I think they make one with like 6000mah that's the size of a lipstick tube... I'm sorry but your arguing and demanding the removable battery is a tired argument. If you don't like it fine, but there are better alternatives to solve the problem and you seem to be ignorant of them. A fanny pack... Really...

If something like Anker? Astro3E 10000mAh Dual 5V/3A USB External Battery - Black doesn't fit in your pocket you need looser pants.

Your argument was that a battery pack was better than a spare battery. The battery is smaller and doesn't need a cable to connect it to the phone. Would you at least admit that?

 

[dchawk81]

If I owned a phone right now with a removable battery I'd still go the external route. How big do you think these things are? A fanny pack? I saw an anker with something like 13000mah that was smaller than my phone. I know they make smaller capacities. But even all that aside, I'd still do it because of the positive aspects of frequent charging. I think they make one with like 6000mah that's the size of a lipstick tube... I'm sorry but your arguing and demanding the removable battery is a tired argument. If you don't like it fine, but there are better alternatives to solve the problem and you seem to be ignorant of them. A fanny pack... Really...

If something like Anker? Astro3E 10000mAh Dual 5V/3A USB External Battery - Black doesn't fit in your pocket you need looser pants.

Edit to inform you: the more you discharge a battery before recharge the less life it will have. If you constantly drain the battery to 20% or less it will have much less life. I'll go link the article again if you need but it's been posted and mentioned three times in this forum so a simple search should find it. The less you let a battery drain before recharging the longer life it'll have.

If I was going on a long trip outside of the USA somewhere, I'd probably pick one of those up. I would not use one as a matter of course. It's just not a practical everyday solution for me.

 

[tohio]

...Edit to inform you: the more you discharge a battery before recharge the less life it will have. If you constantly drain the battery to 20% or less it will have much less life. I'll go link the article again if you need but it's been posted and mentioned three times in this forum so a simple search should find it. The less you let a battery drain before recharging the longer life it'll have.

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What on earth would prevent you from putting in a new battery when your phone dropped to 25%? Nothing of course. Another non-issue in this discussion.

 

[mrbootcrm]

What on earth would prevent you from putting in a new battery when your phone dropped to 25%? Nothing of course. Another non-issue in this discussion.

You don't get it, that's Ok. The percentage isn't the point, the depth of discharge is. The more you let a lithium battery discharge the more you shorten its life. So discharging to 25% will still shorten the lifespan just minutely less than 20%. If I'm not being clear tell me.
Here is the article. http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
You might find it interesting.

 

[Aquila]

Having either option be exactly 100% as viable and easy to use, etc... what makes people so defensive about this? You can either use a spare or an external battery or directly charge it via cable, etc. Who cares how people want to charge their phones? For most people, the vast majority of people comparing the S4 and One, this is a non issue. For people who care about removable batteries, OF COURSE it's an issue. That's like saying someone who has to have a black ford mustang shouldn't care what color or make or model their car will be.... uh, derp sorry they do. People like what they like, who cares? Let's all agree to get over this one.

If a phone doesn't have a removable battery, it's 100% fine because there are other ways that are just as convenient to charge it for most people. If a phone does have it, it's 100% fine because it adds flexibility. In either case there is a benefit and a drawback.

 

[The Hustleman]

Having either option be exactly 100% as viable and easy to use, etc... what makes people so defensive about this? You can either use a spare or an external battery or directly charge it via cable, etc. Who cares how people want to charge their phones? For most people, the vast majority of people comparing the S4 and One, this is a non issue. For people who care about removable batteries, OF COURSE it's an issue. That's like saying someone who has to have a black ford mustang shouldn't care what color or make or model their car will be.... uh, derp sorry they do. People like what they like, who cares? Let's all agree to get over this one.

If a phone doesn't have a removable battery, it's 100% fine because there are other ways that are just as convenient to charge it for most people. If a phone does have it, it's 100% fine because it adds flexibility. In either case there is a benefit and a drawback.

There is no drawback to removable batteries. There however is one to not having one

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[Aquila]

There is no drawback to removable batteries. There however is one to not having one

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It is limiting from a design engineering standpoint and presents a possible (though, with these high end forms unlikely) damage opportunity. Then spare battery itself is susceptible to damage or exposure to moisture while not in a device or charging dock.

You know we could come up with dozens or hundreds of benefits and drawbacks for anything, depending on the use case of many individuals.

I'm not saying the pros and cons are equal, just that there are compromises and gains on both sides. And that it couldn't matter less to most people. For those that it does matter to, of course the relative value of pros and cons are perceived differently than for those who don't care or are open to other methodologies. This is 99% a subjective perception issue... again, people like what they like.

 

[CSI Guy]

I just use my Mophie Juice pack and keep on going. No waiting, no dangling battery, just use the phone as usual.

 

[dchawk81]

You don't get it, that's Ok. The percentage isn't the point, the depth of discharge is. The more you let a lithium battery discharge the more you shorten its life. So discharging to 25% will still shorten the lifespan just minutely less than 20%. If I'm not being clear tell me.
Here is the article. How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University
You might find it interesting.

Yeah you'd have to take those precautions when you can't replace the battery.

 

[Farish]

Take a look at a Galaxy s4 battery and compare it to a battery pack. How do you carry the battery pack around all day? .

Unless I am with clientele, when I am out, I am always with my wife. I buy her big overpriced purses so she can carry all myself stuff around (Pills, Wallet, etc). This includes the battery packs we have bought for our previous iPhones. If I put the S4 spare battery in her purse, it will will get lost because it is so small. Either way she still needs the battery pack for her HTC One and the best part is the models we use have built in flash lights.

 

[mrbootcrm]

Yeah you'd have to take those precautions when you can't replace the battery.

Or you could not be a wasteful energy user and try to prolong the life of a toxic consumer good as long as you can. Look, I'm not a loud tree hugger, but I do what I can. It's the attitude of "oh I can replace it so why make it last?" that does so much harm. So when someone says, here's a money saving tip that will help the Earth I try not to fight it.

 

[dchawk81]

Or you could not be a wasteful energy user and try to prolong the life of a toxic consumer good as long as you can. Look, I'm not a loud tree hugger, but I do what I can. It's the attitude of "oh I can replace it so why make it last?" that does so much harm. So when someone says, here's a money saving tip that will help the Earth I try not to fight it.

Batteries are recyclable. Your entire phone becomes a toxic consumer good wasting money if you kill its battery.

That's not exactly a big plus one for your "side" sir. We'll call that one a draw.