Ridiculous verdict in Apple/Samsung case

[JHBThree]

Illustrated infringements:

Only if you've never read the patents in question and just want to troll instead.

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[pauldroidr2d2]

Because the people who created it weren't doing it for money, rather to advance science. Why didn't Linus patent Linux? Because he wasn't anti-thesis of what a tech firm should be.
Whether they've invented anything is important because they're going around all holier than thou and calling people out for stealing their intellectual property when they honestly just take advantage of other people's ideas.

"Good artists copy, great artists steal. We've always been shameless about that kind of stealing."

-Steve Jobs



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Then it is their loss if someone else steps in and does patent the technology. Rather than being upset with Apple for filing suit against a company that has used their patented technology, maybe you should be critical of those who fail to patent their technology to protect the integrity of that technology.

 

[Rominucka]

"Good artists copy, great artists steal. We've always been shameless about that kind of stealing."

-Steve Jobs

Hahaha, and he stole that line from Pablo Picasso!



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[JHBThree]

Hahaha, and he stole that line from Pablo Picasso!



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He didn't steal that line. The full quote (which certain people don't want to post since it undermines their use of it) is him discussing Picasso's quote, which was actually originally said by TS Elliot I believe.

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[Dark Penguin]

What makes you think Android is in trouble? I think this barely affects Android as a whole. The OS will continue to evolve and flourish in hundreds of different devices.

Well, I thought destroying Android is pretty much in Apple's corporate mission statement these days. If this was just a matter of Samsung getting slapped down for selling an iPhone-shaped smartphone, I would have no problem with that. But remembering how Jobs bared his fangs and shook his fist at Google, shortly before his death makes this ominous. Android's not going anywhere? Look what happened to Blackberry; I'm sure nobody thought they were going anywhere, either.

I do realize I'm being a little paranoid. But ultimately, Apple wouldn't mind a bit if they doubled their smartphone market penetration, and that turned out to be 100% of a greatly reduced total. What of the rest of us, who can't afford top prices? We could be back to using flip phones--we all thought those were way cool in the 1990s, didn't we?

 

[crackberrytraitor]

You should read your links before you post them. From the article:



As I said, apple has patents on specific gestures with specific use-cases. You just proved my point.


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Specific open-source gestures that were invented in 1981. Learn to read wikis.

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[crackberrytraitor]

Then it is their loss if someone else steps in and does patent the technology. Rather than being upset with Apple for filing suit against a company that has used their patented technology, maybe you should be critical of those who fail to patent their technology to protect the integrity of that technology.

That's the whole point of open-source. It's intention is to allow it's use for all, for the advancement of technology and free knowledge. When somebody patents open source that's existed for 30 years, it's no more than theft.

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[pauldroidr2d2]

Thay's the whole point of open-source. When somebody patents open source that's existed for 30 years, it's no more than theft.

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Apple is not open source, nor has it ever been. They have chosen to patent certain features that are available in iOS. Samsung as well as numerous other corporations is well aware of that. Samsung clearly knew that given some of the email's that were used as evidence in this case. Microsoft knew this and did the responsible thing. They licensed some of those features.

Even Google licenses Android for some of the features that it offers.

Welcome to the real world.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

Apple is not open source, nor has it ever been. They have chosen to patent certain features that are available in iOS. Samsung as well as numerous other corporations is well aware of that. Samsung clearly knew that given some of the email's that were used as evidence in this case. Microsoft knew this and did the responsible thing. They licensed some of those features.

Even Google licenses Android for some of the features that it offers.

Welcome to the real world.

I never said Apple was open-source. I said they patented (stole) existing open-source.

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[pauldroidr2d2]

I never said Apple was open-source. I said they patented (stole) existing open-source.

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Apparently, both the court and US Patent system disagrees with you.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

Apparently, both the court and US Patent system disagrees with you.

Apparently, the rest of the world's courts don't. The opinion of a California jury doesn't make it any less of a theft, or any less an injustice.

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[Ry]

Well, I thought destroying Android is pretty much in Apple's corporate mission statement these days. If this was just a matter of Samsung getting slapped down for selling an iPhone-shaped smartphone, I would have no problem with that. But remembering how Jobs bared his fangs and shook his fist at Google, shortly before his death makes this ominous. Android's not going anywhere? Look what happened to Blackberry; I'm sure nobody thought they were going anywhere, either.

I do realize I'm being a little paranoid. But ultimately, Apple wouldn't mind a bit if they doubled their smartphone market penetration, and that turned out to be 100% of a greatly reduced total. What of the rest of us, who can't afford top prices? We could be back to using flip phones--we all thought those were way cool in the 1990s, didn't we?

Not sure why everyone assumes Steve Jobs' line about thermonuclear war against Android is somehow Apple's new mission statement. I'd want the CEO of any company I work for it any company I invest in to have that kind of attitude towards the competition. It's just business.

Regarding the trade-dress portion of this case, it basically felt like Samsung getting slapped around for making phones that looked too close to the iPhone. IIRC, Apple executives visited Samsung to basically tell them "Hey, your phones look too much like ours. Others like HTC and Motorola aren't making copies. You guys should probably stop."

In terms of market share, Android is already winning. Not that it actually scares Apple. I'm sure they'll be "scared" if Android starts eating at their revenues and profits. But Android isn't anywhere close to doing that.

And here we go with the "Apple is expensive" and "Apple is overpriced" comments. On-contract, the way most US consumers buy their phones, you can get an iOS device at all the same price points you can for Android phones. Off-contract prices are similar- save the Google-subsidized Galaxy Nexus.



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[JHBThree]

Apparently, the rest of the world's courts don't. The opinion of a California jury doesn't make it any less of a theft, or any less an injustice.

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The us has different IP laws, which is something you should know before discussing it.

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[JHBThree]

Specific open-source gestures that were invented in 1981. Learn to read wikis.

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Those gestures were not. Read what Nilay actually wrote. What apple patented were specific gestures in specific apps and used for specific things. ALL of the elements contained in a patent matter when discussing its validity. There is a reason why none of the multi touch patents looked at during the trial were declared invalid.

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[crackberrytraitor]

Those gestures were not. Read what Nilay actually wrote. What apple patented were specific gestures in specific apps and used for specific things. ALL of the elements contained in a patent matter when discussing its validity. There is a reason why none of the multi touch patents looked at during the trial were declared invalid.

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I'd happy to provide you with prior open-source artwork. Gimme 8 hours to sober up, I'm too drunk to care atm.

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[sting7k]

Obviously, I strongly disagree with you. And again, common sense goes a long way. Nobody makes electronics of any kind in a vacuum, starting from scratch without building on or referencing any other electronics that have ever been produced. All phone manufactures have made phones similar to others and all manufacturers look at others products. They'd be stupid not to. It is a FACT that Apple did not originate the touchscreen phone and the design that became the iPhone. It is a FACT that Apple has stolen from other companies. I'm no defender of Samsung but this verdict is horribly unfair.

The problem was that this case was not about Apple stealing Sony's designs. It was about Samsung stealing Apple's designs. IMO; "They did it first..." isn't a valid defense. Apple also presented no evidence that they were the first to create a touch screen phone. They merely presented the design patents they were granted for the iPhone. We all know where Apple got the GUI interface from; but that case was decided decades ago and had nothing to do with this case.

 

[andribble]

Actually, after looking at the Samsung and Apple smartphones desktop screen designs, I think Samsung improved on it by making the screen look more visually uncluttered and by making it harder to finger-click on the wrong icon. Let's see if Apple copycats it, i.e. follows suit.

 

[pauldroidr2d2]

I think it will be interesting to see what happens now in the courts with some of the lawsuits that Google is starting against Apple (now they own Motorola mobility). I wonder if Google had the foresight to patent some of the features of Android things like the notification bar that has been a part of Android since the G1.

 

[cormaster628]

http://www.engadget.com/comments/20...t-samsung-devices-be-banned-from-store-shelv/

Nothing to worry about really. 8 models that are either out of production or on their way out. Long live android.

Regardless of our opinions, it's not going to change things much. Apple won the battle but the war is far from over
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[JHBThree]

I think it will be interesting to see what happens now in the courts with some of the lawsuits that Google is starting against Apple (now they own Motorola mobility). I wonder if Google had the foresight to patent some of the features of Android things like the notification bar that has been a part of Android since the G1.

That patent is pending and Google has had to narrow its scope several times because it was too broad.

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