Samsung definitely retiring Samsung Messages

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Samsung will 100% be retiring or abandoning Samsung Messages.

This isn't a surprise and they have been moving to Google (yuck) for other things. After the 6.1.1 update, I got a prompt in S-Messages to 'Switch to a ""Better"" experience with Google Messages'.

No doubt this is foreshadowing of what is to come.
 
Personally I hate Google Messages. They constantly mess with the UI. The message bar is cluttered, though better than it was a few weeks ago. No dual-SIM RCS like S-Messages. No custom categories. RCS indicator not as accurate. SMS fallback when RCS fails to send NEVER works, I'm not the only one.
The only thing Google has that id like is the spam filter but that's not worth the tradeoff of all the above.
 
Personally I hate Google Messages. They constantly mess with the UI. The message bar is cluttered, though better than it was a few weeks ago. No dual-SIM RCS like S-Messages. No custom categories. RCS indicator not as accurate. SMS fallback when RCS fails to send NEVER works, I'm not the only one.
The only thing Google has that id like is the spam filter but that's not worth the tradeoff of all the above.
totally agree. I need my messages app for productivity, not for "cute" this, or "animated" that. I'm clearly not the target market for those sophomores. custom categories.....how difficult can that be?
 
I sent feedback to Google about allowing certain people I text to allow turning on or off read receipts instead of the way it's implemented on or off for everyone it's something I like to see in Google messages not sure how you guys feel .

Samsung messages will still be around probably more international but u can see it going away in the US especially now Google/iPhone have RCS chat and soon to be encrypted
 
I sent feedback to Google about allowing certain people I text to allow turning on or off read receipts instead of the way it's implemented on or off for everyone it's something I like to see in Google messages not sure how you guys feel .

Samsung messages will still be around probably more international but u can see it going away in the US especially now Google/iPhone have RCS chat and soon to be encrypted
But that's the bitch of it all. Samsung can do everything with it, hell they probably helped Google get RCS to where it is now. The least Google can do is share the encryption algorithm/Server/Code, whatever it is.

Has Samsung itself had security breaches that would make Google potentially hesitant? Sure. But you know what Samsung has that nobody has beaten? Knox.

So embed the proprietary encryption code in Knox and call it a day. Google has created a few things that it tried locking people out of doing "things" and people find ways around it. Knox has been around forever and nobody has beaten it.

This whole Apple-ificaton that Google is/has been undergoing (in design, anti-consumer, mentality, etc..) has me scrambling for alternatives. I at this point have 0 Google owned products in my home because when they get bored of something, much like Ubisoft, they just kill it off or replace it with some half-assed alternative.

I'm getting everyone to move to Telegram (plenty of good forks out there too). They refresh from the time to time but don't blow up the design and app functionality every update.

This has become a long ranty post, but it needs to be said, profits or not, they need to fire that clown CEO. Samsung needs to get their head out of their ass and whatever other kinky stuff they are doing with Google and become the competitor they were to Google and Apple.
 
Personally I hate Google Messages. They constantly mess with the UI. The message bar is cluttered, though better than it was a few weeks ago. No dual-SIM RCS like S-Messages. No custom categories. RCS indicator not as accurate. SMS fallback when RCS fails to send NEVER works, I'm not the only one.
The only thing Google has that id like is the spam filter but that's not worth the tradeoff of all the above.
I definitely miss the category feature that is in Samsung Messages. When I bought my first Samsung (s5) & brought my contacts over from Outlook, all the catergories carried over. It really saves time.

I also find the small space in the message area a little disappointing. When I scroll up & down within the text to check things, I get lost. Of course, this wouldn't be a problem if my use of a phone keyboard was more accurate. ☹️ ( I probably should just the microphone.)

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But Google seems to be continually working on it, so we'll see where it goes.

Generally speaking, it fits most of my needs. I really depend on the spam filter, which does an excellent job in my case.
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This has become a long ranty post, but it needs to be said, profits or not, they need to fire that clown CEO. Samsung needs to get their head out of their ass and whatever other kinky stuff they are doing with Google and become the competitor they were to Google and Apple.
yeah, I don't know what Samsung's doing. playing footsie with Google doesn't make sense........yet. I just don't see the angle.......yet.
 
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I sent feedback to Google about allowing certain people I text to allow turning on or off read receipts instead of the way it's implemented on or off for everyone it's something I like to see in Google messages not sure how you guys feel .
That would be a useful feature. I didn't realize as @SyCoREAPER pointed out that it was part of Samsung Messages. (My phone is unlocked so chat isn't available in Samsung Messages.)
 
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yeah, I don't know what Samsung's doing. playing footsie with Google doesn't make sense........yet. I just don't see the angle.......yet.
Something is definitely going on behind the curtain. Hopefully, we'll benefit. 🤞

It doesn't seem that long ago that Samsung was planning to continue developing their own OS & go their merry way. However, they seemed to perform a 360 & get closer to Google instead.
 
But that's the bitch of it all. Samsung can do everything with it, hell they probably helped Google get RCS to where it is now. The least Google can do is share the encryption algorithm/Server/Code, whatever it is.

Has Samsung itself had security breaches that would make Google potentially hesitant? Sure. But you know what Samsung has that nobody has beaten? Knox.

So embed the proprietary encryption code in Knox and call it a day. Google has created a few things that it tried locking people out of doing "things" and people find ways around it. Knox has been around forever and nobody has beaten it.

This whole Apple-ificaton that Google is/has been undergoing (in design, anti-consumer, mentality, etc..) has me scrambling for alternatives. I at this point have 0 Google owned products in my home because when they get bored of something, much like Ubisoft, they just kill it off or replace it with some half-assed alternative.

I'm getting everyone to move to Telegram (plenty of good forks out there too). They refresh from the time to time but don't blow up the design and app functionality every update.

This has become a long ranty post, but it needs to be said, profits or not, they need to fire that clown CEO. Samsung needs to get their head out of their ass and whatever other kinky stuff they are doing with Google and become the competitor they were to Google and Apple.
Don't disagree with pretty much you said, now if Samsung could get all carriers in the US to support RCS as one not individually and come up with iPhone RCS chat support I'm right behind it but until then Google's message app will do .
 
Something is definitely going on behind the curtain. Hopefully, we'll benefit. 🤞

It doesn't seem that long ago that Samsung was planning to continue developing their own OS & go their merry way. However, they seemed to perform a 360 & get closer to Google instead.
I'm a realist and unfortunately reality, our reality in this world, leans towards what's best for a company, not the consumer. So my realistic view and it's not dismissing yours is that we won't benefit. It's one less bit of competition. Because think about it, who else has access to JIBE servers other than Google? Nobody, except Apple supposedly in the future. Even that I feel like they will snake their way out of as usual last minute.

Don't disagree with pretty much you said, now if Samsung could get all carriers in the US to support RCS as one not individually and come up with iPhone RCS chat support I'm right behind it but until then Google's message app will do .
Well yeah haha it will "have" to do because it's the only option left in the table. As mentioned above, Samsung was the only other company who had access to JIBE, so however much Google paid Samsung to kill support effectively left one player with no competition in the RCS eco-system. Short of the courts intervening, Google will not open the RCS API or servers to 3rd parties as we hoped. If Samsung, who was doing it right, and an OEM for that matter gets shut out, what chance do any independent developers have of gaining access to RCS.
This is a power play to be the ONLY option, which you mentioned. Use Google Messages "because it will have to do", not necessarily for everyone because they want to.

I'm saying this as someone who loves Android but sees the light dimming. I said this before but Google used to be the cool, rebellious kid, that's not the case anymore.

Android is so fractured and broken as a whole with bad decision going back to when Material was introduced that it almost needs a Windows 11 like (love it or hate it) refresh/relaunch. Google, the very company that mandates and writes the rules on Material can't even adhere to it in their own apps. Every app of theirs is like walking into a different room (Picture the movie 'Winchester'. The house is Android, each app is a room in the house). Each room has its own demons locked away. Moving out of the movie itself but keeping the reference;
If the Ghost can't be put to rest, it (the app) is bulldozed down and a new one put in its place that's worse than the previous.

Possible but unrealistic to happen ;
Android updates could be simplified to last beyond the promised updates OEMs provide but they don't because then no money. Android is already modular, make it more modular. Google creates a universal foundation on which the manufacturers only need to merge their propriety blobs vs basically recoding the entire OS and voila, Android for everyone (provided the hardware can handle it). Apple does it, granted they have fewer devices to work with but they keep those little bastards updated forever. I hate Apple but have to give them credit for that.

We are in a position where we have 1 of 3 options.

1) Accept the way Google does things and have no alternatives for certain things.

2) Hope the EU, and recently the US for once, (since they are equally as money hungry but at least their greed is a win for us), steps in and forces Googles hand.

3) Pray for a third player in the game. Highly unlikely unless efficient emulation can be performed on the fly until it establishes itself enough for developers to want to code native apps. (Here comes the realist again); Then we wait for them to become corporate d-bags and ruin everything that was good and we have a second Google.

Except for Option 2 I don't see things changing for the better, unless they get rid of that CEO of theirs and restructure.
 
Samsung was the only other company who had access to JIBE, so however much Google paid Samsung to kill support effectively left one player with no competition in the RCS eco-system. Short of the courts intervening, Google will not open the RCS API or servers to 3rd parties as we hoped. If Samsung, who was doing it right, and an OEM for that matter gets shut out, what chance do any independent developers have of gaining access to RCS.
while Samsung might not be a cheap date, apparently it can be had for a price
 
I'm a realist and unfortunately reality, our reality in this world, leans towards what's best for a company, not the consumer. So my realistic view and it's not dismissing yours is that we won't benefit. It's one less bit of competition. Because think about it, who else has access to JIBE servers other than Google? Nobody, except Apple supposedly in the future. Even that I feel like they will snake their way out of as usual last minute.


Well yeah haha it will "have" to do because it's the only option left in the table. As mentioned above, Samsung was the only other company who had access to JIBE, so however much Google paid Samsung to kill support effectively left one player with no competition in the RCS eco-system. Short of the courts intervening, Google will not open the RCS API or servers to 3rd parties as we hoped. If Samsung, who was doing it right, and an OEM for that matter gets shut out, what chance do any independent developers have of gaining access to RCS.
This is a power play to be the ONLY option, which you mentioned. Use Google Messages "because it will have to do", not necessarily for everyone because they want to.

I'm saying this as someone who loves Android but sees the light dimming. I said this before but Google used to be the cool, rebellious kid, that's not the case anymore.

Android is so fractured and broken as a whole with bad decision going back to when Material was introduced that it almost needs a Windows 11 like (love it or hate it) refresh/relaunch. Google, the very company that mandates and writes the rules on Material can't even adhere to it in their own apps. Every app of theirs is like walking into a different room (Picture the movie 'Winchester'. The house is Android, each app is a room in the house). Each room has its own demons locked away. Moving out of the movie itself but keeping the reference;
If the Ghost can't be put to rest, it (the app) is bulldozed down and a new one put in its place that's worse than the previous.

Possible but unrealistic to happen ;
Android updates could be simplified to last beyond the promised updates OEMs provide but they don't because then no money. Android is already modular, make it more modular. Google creates a universal foundation on which the manufacturers only need to merge their propriety blobs vs basically recoding the entire OS and voila, Android for everyone (provided the hardware can handle it). Apple does it, granted they have fewer devices to work with but they keep those little bastards updated forever. I hate Apple but have to give them credit for that.

We are in a position where we have 1 of 3 options.

1) Accept the way Google does things and have no alternatives for certain things.

2) Hope the EU, and recently the US for once, (since they are equally as money hungry but at least their greed is a win for us), steps in and forces Googles hand.

3) Pray for a third player in the game. Highly unlikely unless efficient emulation can be performed on the fly until it establishes itself enough for developers to want to code native apps. (Here comes the realist again); Then we wait for them to become corporate d-bags and ruin everything that was good and we have a second Google.

Except for Option 2 I don't see things changing for the better, unless they get rid of that CEO of theirs and restructure.
Bottom line if Samsung wanted to flex its muscle it could but they don't , why

For example why Samsung devices all this time haven't gone to seamless updates like the pixels?
 

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