Samsung Galaxy Note 3 - Does anyone else think the camera sucks?

The next 4 pictures were taken under the same lighting conditions. I repaved the original photo in this post because the first one I posted was out of focus. This one is a tiny bit out of focus as well, but not as bad. This is the stock app. No ISO or shutter speed is indicated in the details.

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Here's the weird thing. In the previous shot, IS/SS was turned off. In this shot, it's turned on. Much better result. 1600 1/15. Color me surprised that there's that much difference. Up to 1/30 AND 5000 ISO? That's a big spread.

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The default settings for note 3 cam is 9.6 mp to fit the screen ratio. But I have to say, you did take it in low light indoors. That factor may have affected your photos.

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The resolution isn't really the issue. Pro Capture was the same way. They had all of the various features that you could play with. I assume this is the same way.

I'm a little concerned that "auto ISO" defaulted to 5000, with a 1/30 shutter. While that seems reasonable enough under most circumstances (1/30 being considered the usual hand-held threshold), the Note can take clear still subject pics as low as 1/10 if you are careful. Pro Capture defaulted to 1/10 and 1600 ISO under the same conditions and got a reasonable result; actually far better than this. Certainly not perfect, but far better.
The resolution is limited to 3.2MP in the free version of procapture but in FV5,it is limited to 0.3MP which is a massive difference.Photos aren't going to look too flash at 640x480.
 
When I said the LX5 didn't exactly beat the Note 3, I considered more than just the noise-level. For example, the LX5 has more color noise, and its auto white balance is one of the worst I've ever dealt with (drastic shift to yellow in many tungsten lighting situations). I showed example of this in that LX5 review I posted, and you can see it in the test photo too. So while the LX5 had a cleaner/smoother result in general, it had its own issues that the Note 3 didn't have. Also, in the Lightroom processed version of the Note 3, I exercised a lot of restraint, so I didn't push the processing as much as what Panasonic did in theirs. If you want, I can shoot a RAW version with the LX5, and we'll be able to see what the result is like without any of the noise-removal processing, and then compare it to the unprocessed Note 3 version.

Keep in mind, I'm not as interested in smaller relative differences--I'm more interested in significant differences. That's why I tend to lump small sensor cameras together and just call it the day--they all perform similarly enough to me that whatever differences there are just isn't enough to change my photography lifestyle. To me, there's no intermediate level of performance going from the Note 3 to the 5D Mark III. I don't think "Note 3 first, and if that looks horrible, I'll bust out the LX5, and if that's still not good enough, then I'll bust out the big gun (5D Mark III)" For me, I go from the Note 3 straight to the 5D Mark III, and the LX5 gets skipped completely. The only time the LX5 ends up in my hands, is during travels when I really don't feel like carrying a DSLR, but don't mind carrying a small compact on top of a smartphone.

If we look at both cameras as just photo-taking devices, then I would choose the LX5 because it has image stabilizer that works quite well, its reaction time is faster, and the sensor a bit bigger. But if we consider them more holistically, then I would pick the Note 3 (even if I disregarded the phone and non-photography apps). Within just the camera-centric aspect of the Note 3, the flexibility that comes with being able to use various camera/editing apps, send/receive files via Internet, the 4K video capability, the fancy video shooting modes that's available (slow-motion, time-lapse, etc), makes the Note 3 more compelling overall to me. And if we take a step back and consider how these devices fit into our lives, then there's no contest at all--I'd gladly take the smaller sensor of the Note 3, and gain a whole slew of capabilities that makes up a true "life companion device" that is so much more than just a camera. I can write my novels on it, compose/arrange music, paint/draw/design, communicate with others via phone, chat, text, web, play games, do my taxes, read the news, watch movies, listen to music, attend virtual business meetings, do project management,--the list just goes on and on, with more than a person can use it for in a lifetime.

So, no, I'm not disputing that the LX5 is a better camera--it's simply not better enough, and the Note 3 does well enough (and is so much more as a device) that it'll have to take very specific situations for me to pick up the LX5 instead of the Note 3 when I want to snap a few casual photos.

Yes,smartphones have come a long way and are now catching premium compact cameras of about 6 years ago.Most of that improvement has come from advances in onboard processing where the N3 beats the LX5.There is no raw mode in smartphones so there is little point comparing the N3 with an LX5 raw photo.

Have a look at this article and see if you agree with how much smartphone cameras have caught up with DSLR's of six years ago.Unfortunately,the phones they used was not the N3 but the 5S and Nokia 1020 but makes a good read anyway.

Smartphones versus DSLRs versus film: Smartphones versus DSLRs versus film: A look at how far we've come: Connect
 
Viewing only on the phone, I have to give the nod to Zoom FX.

How do you personally feel about camera zoom fx's layout and options compared to stock? I haven't been able to try it out yet. Is it any easier/worse to get to the important settings like ISO, EV compensation, etc?

Gonna read LunatiqueRob's article now. :)

Thanks!

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How do you personally feel about camera zoom fx's layout and options compared to stock? I haven't been able to try it out yet. Is it any easier/worse to get to the important settings like ISO, EV compensation, etc?

Gonna read LunatiqueRob's article now. :)

Thanks!

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Oh, the layout on Zoom FX looks like a toy camera. Cheesy. But it's actually easier than some to change parameters because of the simple layout. Very few buttons and hitting one button allows you to change a lot of different stuff at once.

BTW, when I gave the nod to Zoom FX, I meant in judging this particular set of photos for quality. It wasn't a global endorsement of the app over the others. I actually have rarely used it in the past couple of years. I need to play with it a little more.
 
I think the vast majority of people using the N3 just want the easiest way to get good photos.They are not avid photographers.I think the easiest and most convenient way is to use ProCapture,FV5 or Zoom FX for your auto point and shoot mode.We pull out our phones to take a pic on the spur of the moment and there is simply no time for settings in many cases.When things get a little too dim,I don't think the smart stabilisation mode or night mode from other apps is that bad.It does smooth out a lot of detail to get a bright noise free picture but the average person would prefer that to a dark grainy one.If you don't crop in,the oil painting look is not too bad.
 
Have a look at this article and see if you agree with how much smartphone cameras have caught up with DSLR's of six years ago.Unfortunately,the phones they used was not the N3 but the 5S and Nokia 1020 but makes a good read anyway.

Smartphones versus DSLRs versus film: Smartphones versus DSLRs versus film: A look at how far we've come: Connect

I actually read that on the day it was published, and commented in the comment section. I'll repost it here:

"Really enjoyed the article. I wish the comparison wasn't just between smartphones and DSLR's though, because it's such an unfair and illogical comparison in just about every way (however illuminating it was). Comparing compact cameras to smartphones would have been much more appropriate, because they have more similar sensor and body sizes, as well as similar price range, lack interchangeable lenses, etc. Also, people who shoot with compact cameras are more likely to also shoot with smartphones, while there are far more DSLR shooters who would not bother with smartphone shooting.

With that said, I'm one of those people who over the last few years, has started to take more photos with the smartphone in non-demanding situations, and the DSLR only comes out when I'm doing planned "serious" photo sessions. Even when traveling, unless I'm on a photo-trip or going somewhere exotic, I don't even bring the DSLR anymore as it's just too cumbersome and gets in the way of enjoying a vacation."

This was the author's response:

"I agree completely about the comparison with compacts - much more sensible and comparable in every way. I didn't do it, because DXOMark have made a stab at that one already (see the details in the comment from George Hsia below). Plus, I was just curious!"

The DXOMark article he referred to is this one:
DxOMark Mobile first quick glance: Smartphones beat 5-year-old DSCs - DxOMark

The fact that professional test/review sites are now paying a lot of attention to mobile device cameras is a sign of what's to come in the near future. We are heading towards convergence and it won't be long when our devices really does behave like most of the futuristic ones seen in sci-fi movies of the past. In fact, there was an article recently that compared today's mobile devices/wearable tech with fictional ones from various sci-fi movies/TV shows, and it's surprising how so many of the fictional aspects are now reality. But even people in sci-fi worlds complain about their devices. "Dammit, my personal teleportation device always decreases my body temperature too much when I come out the other side, making me shiver like a dog. Why can't these companies get this right?" :D
 
I just converted from the evo lte, to the note 3, and all I miss is adobe flash and capabilities of streaming websites smoothly. I use puffin with a dl'd version of flash (android 4.0) and.. well.. it plays. As for pictures, ex. On the app loldemotivators, the pix are extremely blurry as to where the evo was clear. Any tips? There a setting on this I'm un aware of?
 
I found out that Samsung changed sensor sometime after the launch. My wife has larger green sensor that takes great pictures. I have smaller blue sensor that is gawd aweful. Her buid date is early Oct and mine was late Nov
 
wish my note 3 had a 8 meg cam which would take better pics - my ipad mini clicks better and clear snaps :(

Post a couple of side by side pics to see how much better and clearer pics it takes.

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I found out that Samsung changed sensor sometime after the launch. My wife has larger green sensor that takes great pictures. I have smaller blue sensor that is gawd aweful. Her buid date is early Oct and mine was late Nov

How did you find this info?

With my Note 3 I have noticed that upclose low lught pics with flash look crisp but wider shots look blurry. is this consistent with what everyone else is experiencing? I am dissappoitned that samsung castrated the camera and installed KNOX on this phone but otherwise, this has been a perfect mobile device for my needs.

Cost a pretty penny though
 

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