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Yeah, I saw that you recommended that earlier and I paid for the pro version.

You can't turn ISO down below 100 in this app. Stock app at least lets you go down to 50. And In shutter priority mode, it doesn't seem to allow you to adjust brightness? EV control is locked out.

I didn't realize it when I had the G6. LG's pro controls are so intuitive and just right.
 
Amidst all the ranting, I did take some decent photos last night.

Turned the shutter speed way way up to capture some of the flames in the campfire in action. I believe I tweaked the white balance as well.

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Well lit indoor shots from 8-10 feet away are really this camera's sweet spot. Great detail.

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Anyone else think the pro mode interface is absolutely horrendous? Switching shutter speed and ISO to manual or back to auto is nearly impossible without flipping the camera between front and back multiple times. Very poorly thought out ux from sammy.

Anyway, I am also disappointed that ISO won't go lower than 50. And the focal plane issue of this lens keeps coming back to haunt me - it's the same reason I hated the S7 camera way back when it came out. Issue is this: anytime you get close to a subject, as in not even macro, just close enough to it, the camera focuses on such a small portion of the subject that other parts of the subject are blatantly out of focus.

Save the "its depth of field" comments. I am not talking about bokeh/depth of field. I am talking about a composition at 4-5 feet distance and parts of the image are out of focus because the lens has locked on to a small portion. Irritates the hell out of me and I frankly can't wait for the V30 to come out so I can move on. A wide angle is so much nicer for photography than a gimmicky zoom lens anyway.

Juan Bagnell at Pocket now hit the nail on the head. If you want the best auto shooter, look no further than the Pixel because Google's post processing magic cannot be beat. If you want the best pro interface, stick to LG. The Sammy is neither here nor there.

End rant. Sorry!

Why on earth would you need a lower iso than 50? Most professional DSLR cameras don't even go lower than 100. I've yet had a problem with what you've described. Focus is excellent, macro or not and extremely snappy at it. The telephoto lens is especially useful for the scenarios when you can't as easily get close to a subject, and with OIS it works great. Why do people that prefer the V30 call the telephoto lens "gimmicky", as if a wideangle isn't? There are uses for both. On another note, if you want a super wide angle try the landscape mode. It actually works great.
 
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Why on earth would you need a lower iso than 50? Most professional DSLR cameras don't even go lower than 100. I've yet had a problem with what you've described. Focus is excellent, macro or not and extremely snappy at it. The telephoto lens is especially useful for the scenarios when you can't as easily get close to a subject, and with OIS it works great. Why do people that prefer the V30 call the telephoto lens "gimmicky", as if a wideangle isn't? There are uses for both. On another note, if you want a super wide angle try the landscape mode. It actually works great.

Uhm, yeah no. Wide angle makes certain compositions possible that you otherwise simply would not be able to capture. Period. Here's a few examples you would never get in a regular lens - all shot with my g6. Don't say panorama because that's silly - stitching issues aside your subject isn't waiting for you to **** around with your camera.

A 2x zoom isn't nearly enough zoom to get true "telephoto" shots anyway. A lot of times I find the note's zoom lens is awkwardly in between focal zones. I have to step back to let the 2x take in the scene or step forward to let the main lens get closer.

I'm not a note / Samsung hater, I've posted tons of decent photos in this thread. It's a good lens. Just too finicky and there are other better options available purely from a camera perspective.

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I said there are uses for both, didn't I? For me, I will always find more practical uses with a telephoto lense than a "wideangle" that looks extremely distorted, as in your examples. The G6 especially has that fisheye look, while it's somewhat better on the V30. Again, it comes down to the scenario. You're never going to get the portraits with the same level of depth of field without the live focus mode, unless you want to start messing around with photoshop. Maybe one day we'll have a phone that suits both camps ;)
 
Anyone else think the pro mode interface is absolutely horrendous? Switching shutter speed and ISO to manual or back to auto is nearly impossible without flipping the camera between front and back multiple times. Very poorly thought out ux from sammy.

I don't completely disagree here. The UI has functionality stacked in some places that gives a clean look, but in some cases, hampers usability.

Anyway, I am also disappointed that ISO won't go lower than 50. And the focal plane issue of this lens keeps coming back to haunt me - it's the same reason I hated the S7 camera way back when it came out. Issue is this: anytime you get close to a subject, as in not even macro, just close enough to it, the camera focuses on such a small portion of the subject that other parts of the subject are blatantly out of focus.

Save the "its depth of field" comments. I am not talking about bokeh/depth of field. I am talking about a composition at 4-5 feet distance and parts of the image are out of focus because the lens has locked on to a small portion. Irritates the hell out of me and I frankly can't wait for the V30 to come out so I can move on. A wide angle is so much nicer for photography than a gimmicky zoom lens anyway.

Less that 50?? My professional full frame camera does not go below 50.

Not sure what you mean by the focal plane issue. Sorry, but what you describe sounds like depth of field. If so, Just stand back a few feet and then crop the picture. Otherwise, the focal plane seems reasonably flat to me. Either way, I've not had difficulty selecting the subject for the camera to focus on and the focus works very well.
 
I said there are uses for both, didn't I? For me, I will always find more practical uses with a telephoto lense than a "wideangle" that looks extremely distorted, as in your examples. The G6 especially has that fisheye look, while it's somewhat better on the V30. Again, it comes down to the scenario. You're never going to get the portraits with the same level of depth of field without the live focus mode, unless you want to start messing around with photoshop. Maybe one day we'll have a phone that suits both camps ;)
Theres the thing. "Portrait" mode software is far from ready and even when it works it gets old pretty fast. Difficult to achieve compositions that you pull off with a phone camera have more value than blurring background that looks iffy even when the phone does it right.

Live focus is "unavailable due to shooting conditions" more times than it's available.

The Note 8 is a great phone and does everything better than any other phone on the market. Except perhaps the camera.
 
Tried to use pro mode on my husband's lazy cat.

Then the next three were earlier, with auto mode.
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Toenail and others, this is what I mean by focus issue. This isn't a macro shot. Yet parts of that frittata and the plate itself are out of focus entirely. There is so much distortion within the subject itself and this happens all the time with this phone.

Take a look at these similar images I shot. See how much of the subject itself is out of focus. Images were cropped after shooting to fill the screen, this wasn't macro.

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Theres the thing. "Portrait" mode software is far from ready and even when it works it gets old pretty fast. Difficult to achieve compositions that you pull off with a phone camera have more value than blurring background that looks iffy even when the phone does it right.

Yeah, no. See, what does and doesn't work for you doesn't mean everybody holds the same opinion. You obviously find more value with a wider lense while I couldn't care less.
 
Some street shots.
 

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Yeah, I saw that you recommended that earlier and I paid for the pro version.

You can't turn ISO down below 100 in this app. Stock app at least lets you go down to 50. And In shutter priority mode, it doesn't seem to allow you to adjust brightness? EV control is locked out.

I didn't realize it when I had the G6. LG's pro controls are so intuitive and just right.

ah hope you got a refund.

I work with its limits and don't care at all for the native app. I use it only for things like PaperKarma, etc. where I don't need to go back and forth between pro, etc. a big pita to me.
 

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