So Antivirus Apps Of Little Use At All Then

[Kalvin Kerns]

I'm the guy around me that everyone asks about their computers and their phones. I get thanks and gifts for my help. Been studying tech independently for almost two decades and still pride myself for keeping up to date and knowing what is now...

I use AV, as I said before, on both PC and Android.

I am not opposed to those who "know what they are doing" shunning AV and patrolling their systems on their own to ensure their safety.

What I am VEHEMENTLY opposed to is those who "know what they are doing" spouting off about nobody needing AV. For the love of God, if you do "know what you are doing" and have helped others with their systems, you quickly realize that most tech users don't have clue one. And that it is highly irresponsible, selfish and egotistical to preach to anyone else about how they do not need every protection they can provide to their system. If I took the advice of some of these self-proclaimed "experts" and had a system crash, would they fix my device? Pay for repairs? Buy me a new one? NO. They will get all sanctimonious and proclaim how that never would have happened to them.

Guess what, those of you who "know what you are doing;" you are only you and not every user. Why does it not dawn on you that some people will NEVER do what you do and know what you know?

Say you don't need AV for yourself and I am all cool with that. Groove on.

Say that no one needs AV and they are a sucker for using it and I got a BIG problem. Stop trying to shame people out of protecting themselves by making them feel stupid.

THIS x100.

No offense intended, but I'm thinking that those of you that think you're safe (phone, pc whatever device) because "you know what you're doing" have simply been lucky and else never had to deal with a virus/malware attack on yourself or helped out other people who have had something happen.

It also concerns me that there's a very lackadaisical and laize faire attitude towards security.

Antivirus and antimalware applications do in fact have a purpose and the average non techy individual is definitely better off using one or two in combination.

Granted, it won't protect against everything and common sense has it's place, but IMO it's best to hedge your bets and use something.

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[meyerweb#CB]

Right - the correct way to prevent that attack is to use a good password, and for bonus points use Google's two-factor authentication. In fact, just go straight to two-factor with a decent password.

Apple's failure to shut down accounts after hundreds or thousands of invalid login attempts should be a criminal offense. That's a BASIC security rule that every data center I've worked with has implemented. Most big data centers lock you out after 3 invalid login attempts. Apple let's hackers (or let you--hopefully they've fixed it) attempt thousands of invalid logins without any problem.

I'm not an Apple guy, but from what I've read they used to have two-factor authorization, and eliminated it. They've just started offering it again. Kind of locking the barn door after the horse is gone..

 

[meyerweb#CB]

If you're afraid of somebody stealing your naked pictures, why do you put it on the phone where it's much easier to steal in the first place?
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They weren't stolen off of phones. They were stolen off of Apple's cloud storage servers. A firewall on the phones wouldn't have accomplished anything.

 

[rrballer11]

I'm the guy around me that everyone asks about their computers and their phones. I get thanks and gifts for my help. Been studying tech independently for almost two decades and still pride myself for keeping up to date and knowing what is now...

I use AV, as I said before, on both PC and Android.

I am not opposed to those who "know what they are doing" shunning AV and patrolling their systems on their own to ensure their safety.

What I am VEHEMENTLY opposed to is those who "know what they are doing" spouting off about nobody needing AV. For the love of God, if you do "know what you are doing" and have helped others with their systems, you quickly realize that most tech users don't have clue one. And that it is highly irresponsible, selfish and egotistical to preach to anyone else about how they do not need every protection they can provide to their system. If I took the advice of some of these self-proclaimed "experts" and had a system crash, would they fix my device? Pay for repairs? Buy me a new one? NO. They will get all sanctimonious and proclaim how that never would have happened to them.

Guess what, those of you who "know what you are doing;" you are only you and not every user. Why does it not dawn on you that some people will NEVER do what you do and know what you know?

Say you don't need AV for yourself and I am all cool with that. Groove on.

Say that no one needs AV and they are a sucker for using it and I got a BIG problem. Stop trying to shame people out of protecting themselves by making them feel stupid.

Your mistaken, the reason i said that is because the "User" is who brings the virus upon themselves.. the Virus doesn't just come to them. Second, I do not patrol my PC I just know what and what not to download or what site not to go to or dumb enough to get scammed. Studying tech lol, I'm an IT.

 

[RumoredNow]

And I said I'm a person who knows what I'm doing and I use AV...

As an IT professional, do you remove AV from user's systems and explain to them how it is not needed and what they need to do in place of AV to protect their systems?

Your original statement facetiously draws a correlation between ignorance and AV use. My degrees are in English, with additional study in evaluation of statements and logical analysis.

 

[hawkwind212]

They weren't stolen off of phones. They were stolen off of Apple's cloud storage servers. A firewall on the phones wouldn't have accomplished anything.

Then why are we even having this discussion about AV app in the first place?

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[rrballer11]

And I said I'm a person who knows what I'm doing and I use AV...

As an IT professional, do you remove AV from user's systems and explain to them how it is not needed and what they need to do in place of AV to protect their systems?

Your original statement facetiously draws a correlation between ignorance and AV use. My degrees are in English, with additional study in evaluation of statements and logical analysis.

"Users obtain their own viruses" No, because I don't trust them, they'll download something they aren't suppose to.

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[stackberry369]

If you're afraid of somebody stealing your naked pictures, why do you put it on the phone where it's much easier to steal in the first place? All that aside, how about putting up a firewall to prevent the malicious intrusion? Nobody mentioned it here. I didn't even know such app existed for the Android device, well, you know what I meant. I know of firewall for the pc but not for Android phone. But why not? It is becoming our pocket computer, and just happen that this computer can also be use as the phone. Yesterday I saw an article talking about the firewall for Android, and I was surprise to see so many apps in the store already. Like somebody said earlier, AV doesn't prevent intrusion. Thought a firewall will, and I think I will get one so nobody can steal the pictures of my bare fat hairy *** off my phone.

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I want to see Rihanna's pictures ☺

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[RumoredNow]

"Users obtain their own viruses" No, because I don't trust them, they'll download something they aren't suppose to.

Which is precisely why it irks me to hear so many self-congratulatory posts about how; "I don't use AV and no one should." It's like asking someone with ADHD to hold down the handle on a grenade without a pin in it...

"Users obtain their own viruses." How true.

But assuming those who "know what they are doing" will always avoid viruses is a fallacy. The fact that someone without AV has not had or detected a virus to date is no guarantee that their system will never get infected. Do the makers of viruses NOT try to hide the infections to get them onto as many systems as possible. Is every person too "smart" or "aware" to use AV so much more clever than the scumbags who spend all day, every day corrupting and hacking systems? All the self-congratulatory people are in that top 3% of computer geniuses? Color me skeptical...

But at the same time, more power to you. Glad you got it covered and never need any AV. I'll never say no to that.

It's the attempts to state how no one needs AV or should use it that I object to. And that includes attempts to shame people out of using AV by saying only stupid or uninformed people use AV. The fact is the vast majority of users DO need it and benefit from it. Let 'em be.

 

[rrballer11]

Which is precisely why it irks me to hear so many self-congratulatory posts about how; "I don't use AV and no one should." It's like asking someone with ADHD to hold down the handle on a grenade without a pin in it...

"Users obtain their own viruses." How true.

But assuming those who "know what they are doing" will always avoid viruses is a fallacy. The fact that someone without AV has not had or detected a virus to date is no guarantee that their system will never get infected. Do the makers of viruses NOT try to hide the infections to get them onto as many systems as possible. Is every person too "smart" or "aware" to use AV so much more clever than the scumbags who spend all day, every day corrupting and hacking systems? All the self-congratulatory people are in that top 3% of computer geniuses? Color me skeptical...

But at the same time, more power to you. Glad you got it covered and never need any AV. I'll never say no to that.

It's the attempts to state how no one needs AV or should use it that I object to. And that includes attempts to shame people out of using AV by saying only stupid or uninformed people use AV. The fact is the vast majority of users DO need it and benefit from it. Let 'em be.

I agree, but then like i said.... there is not much to hide. the users get infected themselves! downloading random things and going to strange websites and or opening strange emails. As long as you follow those rules youll be fine 90% of the time.

 

[meyerweb#CB]

There have been very few instances of Android focused malware, and most of what there is has come from apps side loaded from 3rd party sites. Especially apps written by Russian and Chinese devs. Most of the hype over phone oriented malware comes from companies like MacAfee and Norton who have a product to sell you to solve the "problem" they've identified.

That said, I'm not saying no one should run anti-virus. There are plenty of stupid people doing stupid things with their phones. But Murphy's Law says those are the people least likely to run an anti-virus app.

 

[Nerf72]

I've never had a virus on android. Ever. Do they exist?

 

[A895]

I've never had a virus on android. Ever. Do they exist?

Yeah, most of them exist in third party app stores and foreign countries though. So if you stick to Google Play, you won't see one. On the other hand I have spent years side loading apks from the web and never had a virus either so....

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[hawkwind212]

The easiest way for any one to get an Android virus is by using the pirated apps. I'm guilty of that, and I'll admit it, but I don't any more.

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