So Google Is Full Of It

[Scott337]

Probably because Google doesn't warn anyone what they are in for when they install the beta. It just I stalls. It's not until the want to revert back is when they are finding out that you can't very easily. They should be preventing the carrier phones from I stalling it.

As for getting carrier phones, people do it because of deals or convenience. For instance, my phone is a t-mobile phone. I actually get a .40 credit for my bill so I didn't pay for this phone and... t-mobile unlocked mine so now there isn't any difference between mine and a Google unlocked phone.

Free wins all with me.

Is this issue new with the current 12L beta / 13 dev preview beta? I have been enrolled in previous beta's with a Verizon model Pixel and never had any issues opting out. I assume the current situation is something new?

 

[idiotekniques]

Is this issue new with the current 12L beta / 13 dev preview beta? I have been enrolled in previous beta's with a Verizon model Pixel and never had any issues opting out. I assume the current situation is something new?

That is correct. Google screwed over a ton of people in the beta on phones with locked bootloaders. They let people opt in to a beta with zero warning that there is no current way to get out of it without being able to flash your phone.

They screwed up in a big big way. It's offensive how they literally considered zero about the user end experience here.

 

[Scott337]

That is correct. Google screwed over a ton of people in the beta on phones with locked bootloaders. They let people opt in to a beta with zero warning that there is no current way to get out of it without being able to flash your phone.

They screwed up in a big big way. It's offensive how they literally considered zero about the user end experience here.

Since we could opt out in the past I doubt this was intentional, hence no warning if this was not the expected outcome.

 

[idiotekniques]

Since we could opt out in the past I doubt this was intentional, hence no warning if this was not the expected outcome.

Well either they are completely inconsiderate or they are completely incompetent to the point it's insulting. Take your pick.

 

[docfreed]

You cannot flash a locked bootloader no matter what software you use. That's the first thing I tried. It tells you that you must unlock the bootloader

 

[docfreed]

Why do I have to pick only one - Google is both inconsiderate AND incompetent. And full of cr**p. Here's another example:So you go to the android beta website and opt out per their instruction as follows (abbreviated) ..click Opt out. Your device will receive an update within 24 hours that will wipe all user data and install the latest stable public version of Android.... I call BS on Google - no such public release shows up - all that happens is that you get in an endless loop of the same beta release

 

[bkeaver]

Did you all try to get your carrier to unlock you? Doesn't hurt to ask. I did and got lucky, you just never know.

 

[idiotekniques]

Did you all try to get your carrier to unlock you? Doesn't hurt to ask. I did and got lucky, you just never know.

I'm on a Verizon bought phone but on T Mo.

I've been thinking of contacting Verizon but I know it's going to be hell and a lot of my time. Which o shouldn't have to spend doing.

 

[bkeaver]

I'm on a Verizon bought phone but on T Mo.

I've been thinking of contacting Verizon but I know it's going to be hell and a lot of my time. Which o shouldn't have to spend doing.

How is it a Verizon bought phone on T-Mobile without it being unlocked?

 

[YankInDaSouth]

Carrier unlocked and unlocking the bootloader are two completely different animals.
Carrier unlocked allows the device to be used across multiple carried.
Bootloader unlock allows for flashing factory images, custom recovery, custom ROMS, etc.

 

[idiotekniques]

How is it a Verizon bought phone on T-Mobile without it being unlocked?

Once it's paid off it's carrier unlocked or some call it SIM unlocked. Any sim will work in it. They remove the exclusivity of the phone only working on their network with their SIM.

The bootloader let's you get down and dirty with the device and flash it.

 

[bkeaver]

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[bkeaver]

Once it's paid off it's carrier unlocked or some call it SIM unlocked. Any sim will work in it. They remove the exclusivity of the phone only working on their network with their SIM.

The bootloader let's you get down and dirty with the device and flash it.

You don't need to explain that to me.. I know this. Once the carrier removes the carrier lock you can unlock the bootloader .


I know this because I just did this today. My phone is not paid off. I still have 18 months left before the 24 months is up..

But my reason why I asked if you are using a. Verizon carrier phone on T-Mobile then the carrier lock must be removed to do so. Have you looked to see if your OEM unlock is able to be be turned on in developer settings?

 

[idiotekniques]

You don't need to explain that to me.. I know this. Once the carrier removes the carrier lock you can unlock the bootloader .


I know this because I just did this today. My phone is not paid off. I still have 18 months left before the 24 months is up..

But my reason why I asked if you are using a. Verizon carrier phone on T-Mobile then the carrier lock must be removed to do so. Have you looked to see if your OEM unlock is able to be be turned on in developer settings?

Yes I have checked. Some carriers do just let it unlock after a couple months now, I think it is carrier dependant.

A carrier unlock is not the same as a bootloader unlock though. A carrier unlock just means you can use it on other carriers. It has nothing to do with the bootloader.

 

[bkeaver]

Yes I have checked. Some carriers do just let it unlock after a couple months now, I think it is carrier dependant.

A carrier unlock is not the same as a bootloader unlock though. A carrier unlock just means you can use it on other carriers. It has nothing to do with the bootloader.

Again I know the difference between the 2.. I have been doing this since the mid 2000's.

But you need the carrier unlock before the bootloader unlock.

Also all I had to do on this phone was a carrier unlock, that did give me the ability to unlock the bootloader. Mine was not a temporary unlock it was a permanent unlock.

 

[idiotekniques]

Again I know the difference between the 2.. I have been doing this since the mid 2000's.

But you need the carrier unlock before the bootloader unlock.

Also all I had to do on this phone was a carrier unlock, that did give me the ability to unlock the bootloader. Mine was not a temporary unlock it was a permanent unlock.

Well feel free to tell me how to unlock my bootloader on my Carrier unlocked Verizon phone

 

[idiotekniques]

I mean I've been pretty familiar with locked bootloaders. Verizon had the worst reputation for not unlocking them ever.

Also if you sell a Verizon pixel on Swappa, you can't sell it as unlocked. It has to be listed in the Verizon category. Because Even if it is carrier unlocked, because that means the bootloader is still locked.

 

[Maljunulo]

Would someone please explain to me exactly how this BS is Google’s doing?

I’ll wait right here.

https://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/...n-to-fcc-details-their-stance-on-bootloaders/

 

[idiotekniques]

Would someone please explain to me exactly how this BS is Google’s doing?

I’ll wait right here.

https://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/...n-to-fcc-details-their-stance-on-bootloaders/

Can you please point out where anyone is defending Verizon's position on boot loaders or blaming Google for it?

I'll wait right here.

 

[rvbfan]

Totally different storey in Canada thank god.
https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/carriers/crtc-ends-locked-cellphones/