So here's the BIG question

[Ken7]

With all do respect, you haven't stated any facts either. Once again you assume that the phones inability to maintain 4G signal is a feature rather than a problem. Thats like saying Apple intentionally designed the Iphone 4 antenna in such a manner, that you MUST hold it in your right hand, as a feature to protect your left ear. Its just simply not true. Until the manufacturers say that is the case, you can't assume, and criticize someone for this phones shortcomings.

The truth in the pudding, as you stated it, is that Verizon acknowledged and issue, then Anandtech released the article the next day, and Verizon used that article to dismiss the claims of any issues with the device. The problem is that everyone is jumping on that bandwagon to dismiss genuine claims of an issue. Yes Anandtech is right about the signal bar thing, be we aren't talking about signal bar issues. We are talking about the fact that the device cant hold 4G signal, where other devices can. I've explained a few posts up, that it is actually more beneficial to maintain 4G over 3G, to decrease the time it takes to download data.

And you keep stating that Ken is not an engineer, well I am. And I can tell you, from an electrical engineering standpoint, that you cannot assume that the device was designed the way you say, just because you have fabricated a benefit from it. Every single way that this device behaves, is a product of intentional, or unintentional programming, and I refuse to believe that this device is intended to act in the manner you describe as a benefit, until the designers tell me so.

Again, 100% on target. With some of the logic stated here, you'd think that we should abandon 4G phones entirely, after all they eat battery life. But as I recall there is a switch in these phone that enable the user to choose 3G or 4G. Case closed. It should be the user's choice!

I knew from the beginning when that Anandtech article came out, it would do more damage to actually getting fixes out for this phone than anything else. Yes, it's very clear there is a vast disparity in the way signal strength is displayed on this phone and all others. That's fine. But even with that 'fix', you and I both know it will do absolutely nothing to the real issue at hand. The chance of getting that fix now, as you implied, are diminished as the result of people jumping aboard the Anandtech train.

That's too bad and it benefits nobody. Sooner or later the guys that have seen no signal issues will venture into the areas that you and I have and will then wish that a fix had been developed.

The question remains, hardware or software at fault...we may never find out.

 

[Holsum]

With all do respect, you haven't stated any facts either. Once again you assume that the phones inability to maintain 4G signal is a feature rather than a problem. Thats like saying Apple intentionally designed the Iphone 4 antenna in such a manner, that you MUST hold it in your right hand, as a feature to protect your left ear. Its just simply not true. Until the manufacturers say that is the case, you can't assume, and criticize someone for this phones shortcomings.

The truth in the pudding, as you stated it, is that Verizon acknowledged and issue, then Anandtech released the article the next day, and Verizon used that article to dismiss the claims of any issues with the device. The problem is that everyone is jumping on that bandwagon to dismiss genuine claims of an issue. Yes Anandtech is right about the signal bar thing, be we aren't talking about signal bar issues. We are talking about the fact that the device cant hold 4G signal, where other devices can. I've explained a few posts up, that it is actually more beneficial to maintain 4G over 3G, to decrease the time it takes to download data.

And you keep stating that Ken is not an engineer, well I am. And I can tell you, from an electrical engineering standpoint, that you cannot assume that the device was designed the way you say, just because you have fabricated a benefit from it. Every single way that this device behaves, is a product of intentional, or unintentional programming, and I refuse to believe that this device is intended to act in the manner you describe as a benefit, until the designers tell me so.

Just because you refuse to believe it doesn't mean that its not the truth. Your example is one isolated incident and isn't fact in this manner. How do we know that 13 mins of 3g isn't less of battery draw then 80 seconds of 4g. I would venture to guess it is less from the battery performance I have gotten with 4g.

In any case ken7's reasoning is more an issue of entitlement rather then customer dissatisfaction. “i pay for 4g I should get“ you pay for a 4g capable phone they don't ever guarantee you 100% service.

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[Ken7]

That isn't fact, how can you prove your nexus isn't getting better 4g signal then the two other phones? You said its switching to 3g right? How can you prove that? Just because its on 3g doesn't mean it isn't pulling 4g. In Google's logic maybe the 4g signal isn't sufficient for them so it switches to the stronger 3g.

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What I can prove is that the Nexus either hangs or displays far slower loading of web pages in marginal areas than the Rezound (no I don't download files as you said before, I web surf). I don't care if it's mislabeled 3G, 4G or 12G. The fact is that the Nexus does not perform as well as the Rezound in those areas and no amount of rationalizing will change that.

 

[JtothaR]

This is a dumb argument. Trying to change someone else's perception of their past experiences is useless and doesn't help you to enjoy your phone any more so why do you care if they don't agree?

I don't have any issues with signal on my nexus. Does saying that fix someone else's? No.

 

[Ken7]

In any case ken7's reasoning is more an issue of entitlement rather then customer dissatisfaction. ?i pay for 4g I should get? you pay for a 4g capable phone they don't ever guarantee you 100% service.

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You may think it's foolish to 'expect' 4G service in a map provided by Verzion that shows 4G service, but I don't. Companies love customers like you.

And with that you and I are done discussing this. Neither of us will change the others mind.

 

[CarryMe]

The proof is in the pudding verizon and google have stated there are no issues, except with the bars that are displayed. Which was also proven by anandtech.

Well there you go. If Verizon and Google say it, it must be true.

And the "fact" that Anandtech "proved" there was a difference in how the bars are displayed on the GN v. other 4G phones does not mean that there can't be a problem with authentication, too.

This Is Why Your Verizon Galaxy Nexus (Or Other 4G LTE VZW Phone) Is Losing Its Data Connection

If you are so bent out of shape over the 4g strength why not buy a razr or rezound, root it, and install an ICS rom? That makes the most sense to me

He has told you several times why not but you are not comprehending his very clear, written in proper English posts.

The real question is why are you so bent out of shape about his signal issues? I would much rather have V, G and Sammy work out a fix for this if one is possible. If people don't complain, they will be very happy to keep designing their next phone/OS and not bother with a fix for this.

 

[Holsum]

Well there you go. If Verizon and Google say it, it must be true.

And the "fact" that Anandtech "proved" there was a difference in how the bars are displayed on the GN v. other 4G phones does not mean that there can't be a problem with authentication, too.

This Is Why Your Verizon Galaxy Nexus (Or Other 4G LTE VZW Phone) Is Losing Its Data Connection

He has told you several times why not but you are not comprehending his very clear, written in proper English posts.

The real question is why are you so bent out of shape about his signal issues? I would much rather have V, G and Sammy work out a fix for this if one is possible. If people don't complain, they will be very happy to keep designing their next phone/OS and not bother with a fix for this.

I don't have an issue. This is a discussion forum. I am offering my perspective is that a problem? I'm not trying to change his opinion . I'm giving him a view outside the box. He can do with it what he wants.

The fact that he is perceiving a function as a problem is his right. He is trying to compare 3g speeds on the nexus to where he gets 4g on his other phones. That is funny to me.

I'm not negating that there could be an issue with auth. But again he never stated that and that is a whole other can of worms.
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[CarryMe]

He is trying to compare 3g speeds on the nexus to where he gets 4g on his other phones.

I don't think that is what he was doing. I think what he was doing was comparing the GN to other phones in its ability to hold onto a 4G signal in areas where other phones can.

Perhaps it is a feature as you say of the phone in order to maximize battery time, but if it were an intentional design feature, then I would call it a bad design feature. First as the other poster stated, if a file download takes a little over a minute in 4G and 13 minutes in 3G, then switching to 3G when there is a weak but present 4G signal will not save battery time.

Second, if that is an intentional feature, it is one that I don't want and I believe the best designs are those that users want. A user should be able to choose whether they want the phone to preserve battery or to get the 4G speeds they are paying for. Perhaps you are running the phone plugged into your car charger so you don't care about battery time. Or maybe you are at home plugged into your wall charger or maybe you have an extended battery or maybe you have a back-up battery or 2 so you don't care about battery life.

I want my 4G speed. I will deal with the battery by charging it, buying multiple batteries and/or extended batteries but don't take away my 4G speed in the name of battery life without giving me an option to overrule that choice.

 

[ragnarokx]

I don't have an issue. This is a discussion forum. I am offering my perspective is that a problem?

It's only a problem when you personally attack others instead of sticking to the discussion:

In any case ken7's reasoning is more an issue of entitlement rather then customer dissatisfaction

If you are so bent out of shape over the 4g strength why not buy a razr or rezound, root it, and install an ICS rom? That makes the most sense to me

Then again who absolutely HAS to download a file in the middle of a mall, as ken7 has been having issues with, and can't walk towards an outlet to strengthen the signal, download the file, then turn it back on.

Anyone that leaves 4g on constantly is out of their minds anyways.

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If you notice most people yhat are complaining its because “i want my wifis and 4g and gb's now now now“ and they dont realize their phone is doing them a service by saving power. Instead they would rather complain that crappy htc and moto phones appear to give better service when all they do is give you a 4 hour paper weight.

Glad you arent an engineer logic has gone way over your head. You should leave thst to the engineers, oh, like me, thanks!

State facts. You havent stated one fact in any of your posts. Everything you spew out is opinionated.

I strongly suggest that you focus more on discussion and less on harassing other members that are participating in it. This is your final warning.

 

[tlincoln]

They are occupying space and blocking our signal........damn it!

They definately are not occupying any space that block a signal especially since it would pass right thru that empty space where most of us have a brain!

 

[Holsum]

It's only a problem when you personally attack others instead of sticking to the discussion:













I strongly suggest that you focus more on discussion and less on harassing other members that are participating in it. This is your final warning.

“dont taze me bro, don't taze me“

Understood

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