Sony Xperia Z for T-Mobile

[E90 Commie]

You condescending tone is annoying and the fact that people pay on contract in the U.S. being your concern sounds like a personal problem. No one besides those who have the cash flow for it are paying $500 plus for a phone. That's why there are carrier subsidies. But at least T-Mobile is transparent and its easy to switch to their prepaid from their postpaid plans.

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Go and compare the US market with other markets and ask yourself why a smartphone here will set you back $2400 + $0-299 in store when the same smartphone is available on superior plans (like unlimited talk and text, 5-100 GB of LTE data) for $50 in other markets. Yes, the contract model in the US is very negative for the market, the device selection and also the penetration of modern mobile technology among the population.

When you can do a basic calculation of the total cost for the phone and the plan and explain why paying $1000-1200 MORE to a carrier makes economic sense, you can return and prove that I am wrong.

To me, those $1000-1200 I save by buying my device off contract and use prepaid is better spent on other things (or to stay in my wallet).

I am not going to pay that amount of money extra "just because it is only $99 here in the store".

 

[ramonm2]

Hey Aaron! I have the Sony Xperia Z on T-Mo. I really recommend this phone! It's fast, the camera is good and the screen has an awesome resolution. My only con would be that the battery drains pretty quickly when you start playing games but if you have stamina mode while you are not using it, it will save you tons of battery. It also tends to heat up a bit but from what I know it's normal on new phones till they push out a firmware update. It's an amazing phone and I would really consider going to the store and check out their tech21 casses those are LEGIT! WHen I went in they had a buy 2 get 1 free promo. I would get JUMP with it too just in case you need to switch up the phone later on. I love my Xperia Z. Hopefully I answered your question and not go off on some RANDOM tangent that had nothing to do with what you asked. ^^^^ have a good one!

 

[Central n ohios best]

Last time I checked financing options, there were a lot of them. One of them is called "credit card". How do people finance OTHER purchases like TV sets and computers? If I am to believe the arguments about carriers in the US, people can't afford $500-600 with the result that they "need" to go for a carrier branded device. But the question is: if $500-600 is too much, what do they do when they want a TV set or a computer, two products that retail for that amount? I mean, there's no carriers involved there?

Joke aside, people has to learn basic device economical mathematics:

Device on contract: $0-299 + $100 x 24 = $2400-2699.

Device off contract: $100-600 + 45 x 24 = $1180-1680.

So the argument that a device is "cheaper on contract" is downright wrong. Regarding "spreading the payments" - it is very expensive payments per month we are talking about. If you can afford paying up to $299 in store, you can certainly afford paying up to $299 down and the rest on a credit card if you can't afford the whole sum in cash.

If you buy a Sony device, there are Sony Financing available.

It is also worth to mention - for those who believe in the "cheaper on contract/spreading the payment" arguments that the Sony Xperia Z can be bought in Sweden for 0-$199 down payment in store and then contract with 5-15 GB of data for between $41-70 per month (many other options are available). In Denmark, you can get it with 100 GB (yes, 100 GB) of data for $70 per month, $0 down payment in store.

So yes, it is necessary to compare prices in order to get a proper perspective.

And yes, buying a T-Mobile Xperia Z is a far worse option than buying the C6602 and put it on a decent prepaid plan.

And again: US consumers can buy TV sets, stereos, BD players, refrigerators, cars... you name it WITHOUT a cellular carrier involved subsidizing the products. The same credit card that works for the purchase of a new TV for $600 can be swiped in the same terminal when a mobile device for $600 is ringed up at the checkout counter (just to let people know).

So no, defending the carriers just doesn't fly too well.

Paying around $50 more per month (the price difference between postpaid and prepaid) on top of the down payment of $99-299 is a far worse deal than even the worst of the credit cards (interest perspective). Financing $300-600 on a credit card is certainly a better option - there are even offers about "interest free 12 month payments" in some cases.

It is just a very bad economic sense when you are paying up to $1200 MORE or DOUBLE the device cost to a carrier "in order to spread the cost over time".

I can buy THREE (3) flagship devices for the same total cost as the carrier affiliated population are paying for ONE device. Simple mathematics: I save $1000-1200 over two years with buying it outright so there are TWO additional devices I can buy beside the original one. So yes, buying outright is a completely SUPERIOR option - not only economically but also device wise. I can buy whenever I want (I got my Xperia Z back in March) and are free to choose whatever I want without being forced to wait for the carrier to bring it in.

To me, it is downright funny to see how the US consumers accept waiting for months for a device, just to get it branded and crippled - not to talk about the huge amount of devices that are NEVER to be sold here. The US cellular market is inspiring in the same way as Romanian grocery stores 30 years ago: very limited selection and a lack of 99% of the potential products.

Check the global market and see for yourself what the carriers doesn't allow you to get.

Some people can or won't get credit cards tbh. Honestly the most I would pay at one time for a phone is 200 or maybe close to 3. Anything more going towards investments that I actually need or use like rent, mortgage, a vehicle, education ect. I just can't see spending that much on just a smartphone.

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[anon(4886171)]

You are a good carrier customer.

Customers that don't care about what the carriers are doing with the devices are just great (for the carriers that is). I wish you good luck with your branded Xperia Z. I have tried the T-Mobile edition and find it a bad product in general - because of the branding and bloatware paired with the fact that they release it on 4.1.2 when 4.2.2 is out for the C6602 and C6603.

It is also great (for the carriers again) with customers that believe strongly in the idea of paying $50 extra per month (price difference again) for the plan just because there is a lower up front cost.

It is the same people that become crazy when an ad says "FREE!" I just says There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

Good also that you defend the carrier concept by claiming that you never buy TVs etc. That is great - don't buy a TV since there's no subsidy there.

This is a horrible argument on the Tmo version...lmao.. It can be rooted.. So bye bye bloatware and hello 4.2.2 ... Way to easy.. You are reaching now.. The locked bl sucks.. But some peeps don't care..

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[Jennifer Stough]

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[Jeremy_Collinsworth]

Is it wrong I agree with e90 commie? A lot of the points he made make sense

 

[A895]

Is it wrong I agree with e90 commie? A lot of the points he made make sense

Of course they made since. Its the fact he didn't understand that I don't have the time or money to pay $500+ for a phone. I know it saves money in the long run, but that's the long run, this is the short run here and now and I have other expenses right now. You ever see the video on YouTube about what you can get for the price of a galaxy s4. They got a lumia 521, a laptop, and headphones. That's why paying that much for a phone does not make sense.

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[simplyGandroid]

Some people can or won't get credit cards tbh. Honestly the most I would pay at one time for a phone is 200 or maybe close to 3. Anything more going towards investments that I actually need or use like rent, mortgage, a vehicle, education ect. I just can't see spending that much on just a smartphone.

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Or you could pay for the phone up front, and put the difference in your plan cost towards rent, mortgage, etc.

Just curious what plans you are comparing e90?

 

[simplyGandroid]

Of course they made since. Its the fact he didn't understand that I don't have the time or money to pay $500+ for a phone. I know it saves money in the long run, but that's the long run, this is the short run here and now and I have other expenses right now. You ever see the video on YouTube about what you can get for the price of a galaxy s4. They got a lumia 521, a laptop, and headphones. That's why paying that much for a phone does not make sense.

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The thing is, you're still willing to pay a high price for a premium phone, just not up front. The idea that the phone is overpriced doesn't justify not buying it up front, but buying it over time. It's your time and money, so ultimately you'll do what you want, but your justifications aren't really making any sense.

 

[simplyGandroid]

e90, what plan do you have? I don't know that prepaid makes a lot of difference in some cases. If my wife and I end up on t-mobile postpaid with unlimited, it's $120 - my 15% work discount. Even if we went with the 2.5 gb plan, it'd be $100 - 15% work discount. Plus taxes of course. I'd most likely rather have that than whatever mvno $45 plan you have for both of us.

 

[A895]

The thing is, you're still willing to pay a high price for a premium phone, just not up front. The idea that the phone is overpriced doesn't justify not buying it up front, but buying it over time. It's your time and money, so ultimately you'll do what you want, but your justifications aren't really making any sense.

Yes they are. Im talking about paying a large upfront cost. I can handle month over month I'm talking $600 for a phone. That's what I'm talking about. I don't want to go prepaid anytime soon anyways now. I will hold onto my Droid RAZR M for a little while longer. What's hard to understand what I'm talking about. Upfront large cost versus a smaller percentage of that. Of course its going to cost more on a plan over time, but that's the price of being on a regular carrier. A upfront higher cost on a phone is a hard pill to swallow. That's why there are so many people on postpaid plans.

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[A895]

e90, what plan do you have? I don't know that prepaid makes a lot of difference in some cases. If my wife and I end up on t-mobile postpaid with unlimited, it's $120 - my 15% work discount. Even if we went with the 2.5 gb plan, it'd be $100 - 15% work discount. Plus taxes of course. I'd most likely rather have that than whatever mvno $45 plan you have for both of us.

I think everyone around here thinks prepaid is the magical cure for everything. Worse customer support and coverage, and larger upfront phone costs. Yeah its more economical, but its still not the most viable solution if you want decent coverage and good costumer support (ex: I can go to a Verizon and complain about whatever I want.).

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