Sony z5 will support manual shutter speed /iso controls; no RAW support yet

[Shepx13]

Looks like the Z5 will support manual shutterspeed/iso controls (no word on longest shutter speed available), but you will need to use a 3rd party app to do so (Camera FV-5, Manual Camera).

Sony said they are reworking their camera app, (due in November), so there's the possibility they may include this as well. But if not, having 3rd party support for this is a great thing, giving us more options.

See video for Manual Camera app system check: https://youtu.be/6LHRhWfWOxI

 

[DileshPerera]

wow good news

 

[RHChan84]

Maybe when Android 6 comes out.

 

[Cakefish]

What's the source for Sony redoing their camera app?

 

[Shepx13]

What's the source for Sony redoing their camera app?

Sony. They announced it a few weeks ago.

 

[Cakefish]

Sony. They announced it a few weeks ago.

Twitter? Other social media? Blog? Through the press?

Just curious to read their official statement. Can't wait for my Z5 Compact!

 

[Shepx13]

Twitter? Other social media? Blog? Through the press?

Just curious to read their official statement. Can't wait for my Z5 Compact!

They announced it at a conference
http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/09/03/new-camera-interface-heading-to-xperia-z5-series/

 

[drone3]

Coming from ois i really want to see how stable steady shot is.

dreaming of electric sheep

 

[Shepx13]

Coming from ois i really want to see how stable steady shot is.

dreaming of electric sheep

Steady shot looks great for video, but worthless for photos.

 

[syspry]

Who's used it yet to test it? Isn't Steady Shot as done for the Z5 new?

 

[neo905]

Steady shot looks great for video, but worthless for photos.

It's the number one ranked smartphone camera according to DXO Marks so it's far from worthless. It scored 93 out of 100 for steadiness in video which is unprecedented.

 

[neo905]

Who's used it yet to test it? Isn't Steady Shot as done for the Z5 new?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwZWrsyUAok

 

[Shepx13]

It's the number one ranked smartphone camera according to DXO Marks so it's far from worthless. It scored 93 out of 100 for steadiness in video which is unprecedented.

Please stop ignoring facts to make an argument. Their stabilization is made for video, not photos. And it's amazing for video. Doesn't change the fact that it uses a crippled form for photos, in one mode only. Maybe they'll change that in the future, and that would be awesome.

DXO is a fantastic resource, but they are not the end-all for photo testing. Their testing methods are weighted towards specific things, and because of this, real world usage sometimes gets ignored. For instance, they have the new Moto X above the LG g4, but real world testing shows that for photos, the g4 is still much better for anyone who will step out of full auto mode.

Use DXO as one part of your research, not as the Holy grail final word.

 

[syspry]

Please stop ignoring facts to make an argument. Their stabilization is made for video, not photos. And it's amazing for video. Doesn't change the fact that it uses a crippled form for photos, in one mode only. Maybe they'll change that in the future, and that would be awesome.

DXO is a fantastic resource, but they are not the end-all for photo testing. Their testing methods are weighted towards specific things, and because of this, real world usage sometimes gets ignored. For instance, they have the new Moto X above the LG g4, but real world testing shows that for photos, the g4 is still much better for anyone who will step out of full auto mode.

Use DXO as one part of your research, not as the Holy grail final word.

Dave Burke discussed the choice to not use OIS at the Nexus launch and stated it's using the same Sony sensor for digital stabilization as the ones used in Sony's dedicated cameras, eliminating the need for OIS. So far you've just heard from DXO who so far has ranked 2 of the 3 top phones not having OIS, A senior Google Android engineering executive, and Sony who makes the sensor used in the Nexus 6p as well as Sony cameras.

There's your facts. I don't know what more I can offer you without getting the feeling you're just clinging to OIS and are unwilling to acknowledge sensor tech has improved now to the point that it's no longer clearly better. Maybe you were previously unaware of the advances recently made? Hopefully you are better informed now.

 

[Shepx13]

Dave Burke discussed the choice to not use OIS at the Nexus launch and stated it's using the same Sony sensor for digital stabilization as the ones used in Sony's dedicated cameras, eliminating the need for OIS. So far you've just heard from DXO who so far has ranked 2 of the 3 top phones not having OIS, A senior Google Android engineering executive, and Sony who makes the sensor used in the Nexus 6p as well as Sony cameras.

There's your facts. I don't know what more I can offer you without getting the feeling you're just clinging to OIS and are unwilling to acknowledge sensor tech has improved now to the point that it's no longer clearly better. Maybe you were previously unaware of the advances recently made? Hopefully you are better informed now.

Sony's dedicated cameras have OIS, not digital stabilization. Your facts are incorrect, because you're looking for justification for your argument.

 

[syspry]

Sony's dedicated cameras have OIS, not digital stabilization. Your facts are incorrect, because you're looking for justification for your argument.

Not according to Dave Burke at the nexus presentation. I just re-watched the presentation and he clearly states "in fact, this Sony imaging sensor was originally designed for camcorders and cameras and is unprecedented in a mobile phone."

 

[Shepx13]

Not according to Dave Burke at the nexus presentation. I just finished listening to All about Android's podcast and one of the hosts who was there said she clearly heard him say, "the digital stabilization used in the 6p is the same one some Sony DSLR's use eliminating the need for OIS."

I don't care what Dave Burke says. Sony's dslr's have OIS now. NOW. All of the newest generation full frame cameras do. You're free to Google Sony A7iiR, A7ii, A7iis if you want the facts. So, obviously, why would Sony start using OIS in their newest models if their old stabilization was sufficient?

Hint: they wouldn't.

Also, go read the specs on the new z5 phone. Sony incorporated a new closed feedback loop system for their stabilization, which was miles above what the were using previously, and is completely different than what the Nexus is doing.

 

[syspry]

I don't care what Dave Burke says. Sony's dslr's have OIS now. NOW. All of the newest generation full frame cameras do. You're free to Google Sony A7iiR, A7ii, A7iis if you want the facts. So, obviously, why would Sony start using OIS in their newest models if their old stabilization was sufficient?

Hint: they wouldn't.

Also, go read the specs on the new z5 phone. Sony incorporated a new closed feedback loop system for their stabilization, which was miles above what the were using previously, and is completely different than what the Nexus is doing.

This doesn't change the fact that it was as you claim only this generation replaced with OIS on DSLR's and is still top end tech for a smartphone, combined with DXO ratings supporting that. In my opinion there's no clear advantage to OIS on a smartphone.

OIS doesn't automatically mean better just by virtue of simply being there. One OEM's camera isn't necessarily automatically better than another's just because it's OIS enabled. That seems to be what you're getting at. If I'm reading you right, you're claiming that none of this year's phone cameras can take pics equal to ones with OIS no matter who makes them.

 

[Shepx13]

This doesn't change the fact that it was as you claim only this generation replaced with OIS on DSLR's and is still top end tech for a smartphone, combined with DXO ratings supporting that. In my opinion there's no clear advantage to OIS on a smartphone.

OIS doesn't automatically mean better just by virtue of simply being there. One OEM's camera isn't necessarily automatically better than another's just because it's OIS enabled. That seems to be what you're getting at

As I've said elsewhere, DXO performs lab tests. They do not perform wide ranging tests for every day use in real world situations. DXO has the Moto x camera above the G4, but real world tests show otherwise. Lab test do not always equate to real world results, because we don't use our cameras/phones in labs.

Nowhere have I said that one's camera is automatically better than another because it has OIS. That's absolutely not the case. My point is that, if all things are equal, the one with OIS will be better for still photo taking (video is a different matter altogether).

 

[syspry]

As I've said elsewhere, DXO performs lab tests. They do not perform wide ranging tests for every day use in real world situations. DXO has the Moto x camera above the G4, but real world tests show otherwise. Lab test do not always equate to real world results, because we don't use our cameras/phones in labs.

agreed, but there has to be some kind of common metric. This is just the same problem that we encounter when people argue against lab tests for battery life. You can't judge battery life in real world testing because everyone's usage is too varied. The same goes for real world testing of pictures taken by different people. Too many variables. I could take the same camera and give it to two different people and have them both take shots of the same room, standing in the same spot, and you know as well as I do that they won't take identical quality photos.

My point is that, if all things are equal, the one with OIS will be better for still photo taking (video is a different matter altogether).

And that's exactly the problem - all things are not equal. If you can find me a Galaxy S6 with the exact same camera hardware, software as the Z5 than that might be the case but such a scenario doesn't exist.