T-Mobile: New Plans

[zorak950]

I believe that you cannot move the unlimited smartphone sim to a tablet or hotspot and keep unlimited on the tablet or hotspot.

I've always been curious about how that works. When you order a SIM online they make you tick a box for phone or tablet/hotspot, too. Do they use packet sniffing, or is there some other way they can tell?

 

[yfan]

That's not true. Just for a couple of examples, they could have removed the cap to boost their subscriber base, then reinstated it to increase revenue, or they could have done both to increase revenue in different market conditions. It's not intellectually inconsistent to acknowledge that there can be more than one factor or set of circumstances involved in a decision, it's realistic.

Note the term revenue-per-user. Revenue-per-user and total revenue aren't the same things. I'm not arguing that both moves aren't to increase revenue overall, but whether they are to increase the revenue they earn per user. Total revenue is a function of revenue per user multiplied by the number of users, so if number of users goes up, total revenue goes up, even if revenue-per-user (or more accurately, average revenue-per-user) does not. The claim that the current move is to make users - generally - pay more is essentially a claim that it's to predominantly there to increase T-Mobile's average revenue per user. That's what I'm disputing. You're assuming I'm arguing a point that I'm actually not.

 

[zorak950]

The claim that the current move is to make users - generally - pay more is essentially a claim that it's to predominantly there to increase T-Mobile's average revenue per user. That's what I'm disputing. You're assuming I'm arguing a point that I'm actually not.

Actually I'm not arguing your point about T-Mobile's motives at all, I'm arguing your assertion that dpham's argument was intellectually inconsistent. Unfortunately, I think we've risen to the level of threadjacking at this point, so I'll leave this here. If you'd like, we can continue in Private Messages.

 

[dpham00]

I've always been curious about how that works. When you order a SIM online they make you tick a box for phone or tablet/hotspot, too. Do they use packet sniffing, or is there some other way they can tell?

My understanding is that they can detect the device type or determine somehow . Just like I read some people using) getting the free 200mb tablet plan and moving the sim to a smartphone, and somehow tmobile was able to tell and cancel service.

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[zorak950]

My understanding is that they can detect the device type or determine somehow . Just like I read some people using) getting the free 200mb tablet plan and moving the sim to a smartphone, and somehow tmobile was able to tell and cancel service.

The way they sell them, it's almost like they have different SIM cards depending on the class of your device, but I don't know how that could be. Maybe they earmark certain SIMs for tablets and hotspots? Is it possible with GSM to not assign a phone number to an active SIM card?

 

[yfan]

Actually I'm not arguing your point about T-Mobile's motives at all, I'm arguing your assertion that dpham's argument was intellectually inconsistent.

Perhaps dpham can defend his own argument, if he felt it needed any defending. Perhaps he doesn't because I never called *his* argument intellectually inconsistent - since I, not he, was the one that brought up the previous move to get rid of the cap. I raised a separate point that the finger-pointing about T-Mobile's motives did not take place when they took off the cap, but it is when they reinstated it. I provided additional context to this move, and used that context to dispute the point that this is a move to exclusively or predominantly increase revenue-per-user. That's the point dpham and I had an exchange on, and the point about the context was there to provoke consideration against what I consider a knee-jerk reaction to a single-tier price increase.

 

[itic]

Well i found out i had until 2/14 to opt out of the new plan. I figured i'd stay with it since it was working ..and hey if it's working it dont need fixin ..right? Store told me i was no longer on contract as well. But when i called wanting to change my plan to the $30 100 min unlimited data/text plan the CSR told me even if my plan changed i was still under contract until 2/15 and couldnt change. So beware.

 

[boogas8]

The way they sell them, it's almost like they have different SIM cards depending on the class of your device, but I don't know how that could be. Maybe they earmark certain SIMs for tablets and hotspots? Is it possible with GSM to not assign a phone number to an active SIM card?

When you use a device on their network the imei registers. So they can tell what device you are using by the imei number.


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