Terrible battery life the cause of delays?

[RetiredJedi]

Yes.

See previous. Verizon has told its employees that it is delayed. Just because Verizon hasn't told us what the date is, doesn't mean there wasn't a date that was missed.

Wow and Verizon employees have told it's customers that the phone will be out YESTERDAY. So that info was made up by the employees and not told to them by Verizon.

 

[Green_Laser]

"the thunderbolt, it's not your dream phone, it's the one after that which drains your battery lightening bolt fast!"

I'm not putting much blame on htc.. Yes they could have provided a larger battery but would that really help much? Verizon had all the LTE stuff on paper before implementing it and starting to cover major cities etc. You're telling me this whole time even after launching the LTE usb dongles they didn't look into this? Come on vzw! People in these forums have been concerned about batt life of LTE phones way before CES and first leaked pic of tbolt! Can't vzw freakin login in here and read what the end user wants/is concerned about?

 

[edoublediz]

Where is it officially posted that it was going to be released on a certain date? I know show me another picture of a computer screen with a release date so you can say I told ya so. Look I'm just as frustrated as others on here and feel everyone's pain cause I want this phone too but dang if a higher up from VZW or HTC comes on and actually says "the Thunderbolt has been delayed" or something to that effect then I'll be worried about some sort of tech problems with the phone i.e. Skype, 4G, battery life, money gets sucked out of your wallet when you turn it on.

where is it officially posted? what! they took peoples money for a pre-order for a 14th delivery! i dont need a screen shot for that.

 

[Green_Laser]

Let me ask you guys this...

4G (I should mention the real kind) exists in europe.. Eg Germany with much higher speeds.

What is the equivalent HTC device of the tbolt in europe?
What's the batt life they are seeing?

Did moto stuff bionic with a larger batt knowing of this issue in European LTE market? (in other words, did moto do their homework?)

 

[Droid800]

Wow another rumor.. I can't take it anymore.

The article is talking about 2-3 hours. Even if they improve the battery life 100% you're talking about abysmal battery life. 200% and you're starting to get to functional. Both the Atrix and the iphone 4 appear to be able to make it 24+ hours. If they get it into Inspire territory I think we'd swallow it, but that's no great shakes.

You do understand that that's on 4G with heavy use, right? If you turn the 4G radio off, and be careful with how much information is synching, it should last plenty long enough.

And here's the thing; you do NOT need 4G all the time. Its great to have for specific instances, and if you're tethering, but you really don't need it unless you're doing data intensive things.

That being said. Perhaps the delay is because HTC is packaging a higher capacity battery and updating the firmware, both of which can take some time.

 

[reb422]

You do understand that that's on 4G with heavy use, right? If you turn the 4G radio off, and be careful with how much information is synching, it should last plenty long enough.

And here's the thing; you do NOT need 4G all the time. Its great to have for specific instances, and if you're tethering, but you really don't need it unless you're doing data intensive things.

That being said. Perhaps the delay is because HTC is packaging a higher capacity battery and updating the firmware, both of which can take some time.

1) black_man_x said a while ago exactly what you just said... 4G kills the battery life BUT the Bolt has a pretty decent battery when NOT using 4G. And black_man_x also said that he demoed a device that had a strict 4 hour battery life but he said it was NOT the Bolt.

2) I hope you're right and HTC includes a bigger stock battery. I seriously doubt that will happen though. Seems like they've already got a price in mind for the Bolt and they've been advertising it with the 1400mah battery, so it seems unlikely that they would change that now. However.... what if HTC did decide to throw in a larger battery at the last minute and that was the reason for the $249-$299 confusion this past week in the BestBuy ads?

 

[tjubb]

it boggles the mind to understand why they are just realizing this now so close to release! Do they not fully test these phones months in advance? Cmon already, this would be something that would be obvious on day 1 of testing! Damn, that's aggravating!

 

[colesl4w]

1) black_man_x said a while ago exactly what you just said... 4G kills the battery life BUT the Bolt has a pretty decent battery when NOT using 4G. And black_man_x also said that he demoed a device that had a strict 4 hour battery life but he said it was NOT the Bolt.

2) I hope you're right and HTC includes a bigger stock battery. I seriously doubt that will happen though. Seems like they've already got a price in mind for the Bolt and they've been advertising it with the 1400mah battery, so it seems unlikely that they would change that now. However.... what if HTC did decide to throw in a larger battery at the last minute and that was the reason for the $249-$299 confusion this past week in the BestBuy ads?

according to black_man_x, the Thunderbolt did have pretty bad batter life, but it wasn't the worst of the ones he was testing (about 2 hours of life). But he said he had been commenting on the bad battery life of the bolt, but no one listened until engadget posted about it. And someone told him that he hadn't been saying anything of the sort to which he responded

" I didnt? o I remember.. thats because I didnt want to out it before it was ready. I do not think devices should be slandered"
-Via Twitter

 

[Droid800]

according to black_man_x, the Thunderbolt did have pretty bad batter life, but it wasn't the worst of the ones he was testing (about 2 hours of life). But he said he had been commenting on the bad battery life of the bolt, but no one listened until engadget posted about it. And someone told him that he hadn't been saying anything of the sort to which he responded

" I didnt? o I remember.. thats because I didnt want to out it before it was ready. I do not think devices should be slandered"
-Via Twitter

And why reference it when most people won't be using 4G untethered from power? Its biggest uses are for tethering. You don't need it to sync email or send texts.

 

[Droid800]

it boggles the mind to understand why they are just realizing this now so close to release! Do they not fully test these phones months in advance? Cmon already, this would be something that would be obvious on day 1 of testing! Damn, that's aggravating!

Keep in mind Engadget's post is not substantiated. We knew battery life would be bad because 4G sucks down battery. Without having a fully functional 4G network (and network engineers to test the handset), you don't really know how bad until its out there in the wild.

Anyone that's surprised by this hasn't been following the phone long enough to be commenting about it.

 

[CrotchBat]

Living in a non-LTE area(that likely won't see LTE for 12-18 months), as long as this thing can give me a day then I don't care.

 

[tucker_dahlin]

Battery life, while maybe somewhat true, is just another rumor. We've heard several rumors, why is this one suddenly "the real answer" as to why it's being delayed? You guys really think that vzw would put all of that advertising out there, give retailers dates, etc. without having any idea how the battery would perform? And that htc would put an average battery in a 4g phone without some testing of a common sense issue? No. They would have had more notice than a few days before launch. They would have had time to pull ads and notify retailers. There is much more evidence pointing to some of the other things we have heard, whereas this is nothing but hearsay.

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[tucker_dahlin]

Keep in mind Engadget's post is not substantiated. We knew battery life would be bad because 4G sucks down battery. Without having a fully functional 4G network (and network engineers to test the handset), you don't really know how bad until its out there in the wild.

Anyone that's surprised by this hasn't been following the phone long enough to be commenting about it.

So you're saying that nobody has tested 4G on the thunderbolt until a couple of days ago? The phone has been "in the wild" for a while now. As was mentioned, 1 person in 1 day could have concluded that there was a problem with battery life, even if they were too dumb to test it ahead of time (which they weren't).

 

[Droid800]

So you're saying that nobody has tested 4G on the thunderbolt until a couple of days ago? The phone has been "in the wild" for a while now. As was mentioned, 1 person in 1 day could have concluded that there was a problem with battery life, even if they were too dumb to test it ahead of time (which they weren't).

Do you know how many variables go into battery life? You've got software conditions (which in and of itself would be a nightmare), hardware conditions (battery, processor, etc.), and network conditions.

For all we know, things were running fine until they readied the final build of the firmware, and then battery life went to ****. Then they have to go through the software with a fine tooth comb and figure out where the issue is, then they have to test it again. Then another issue might crop up, and they have to do the same.

Its not as simple as 'oh I tested it this one day and battery life was crap'.

 

[tucker_dahlin]

Do you know how many variables go into battery life? You've got software conditions (which in and of itself would be a nightmare), hardware conditions (battery, processor, etc.), and network conditions.

For all we know, things were running fine until they readied the final build of the firmware, and then battery life went to ****. Then they have to go through the software with a fine tooth comb and figure out where the issue is, then they have to test it again. Then another issue might crop up, and they have to do the same.

Its not as simple as 'oh I tested it this one day and battery life was crap'.

Im not saying that its not complicated, because of course it is. Im saying that people who know what they are doing are hired to work on that exact issue. Even the final build would have been tested... That's how it becomes the final build. Say it did tweak the batt life, it would most likely be a minor delay if it was ok previous to the changes. Im not saying that battery isnt an issue, Im just not convinced that it alone would be causing the delay when everything we've seen before this points to other issues.

 

[RetiredJedi]

where is it officially posted? what! they took peoples money for a pre-order for a 14th delivery! i dont need a screen shot for that.

So everyone that pre-ordered the phone knew from Verizon they would have it on the 14th or thought they would have it on the 14th. If it was already decided to be the 14th then where is the letter or email from Verizon that says sorry we had to delay your pre-order due to "x"? Why is ACs Thunderbolt page still saying "Release date: Unofficially 24 February"? What about the people pre-ordering that knew they were getting it on the 24th with their pre-order? I recall all the news on AC states something to the effect of " Still no official release date".

I just want to hear some information from VZW or HTC that's all.

 

[Dreday24]

if you have had a htc phone before you know one of the first items on your purchase list is an extended battery lol.

 

[spooluptheFTL]

Keep in mind Engadget's post is not substantiated. We knew battery life would be bad because 4G sucks down battery. Without having a fully functional 4G network (and network engineers to test the handset), you don't really know how bad until its out there in the wild.

Anyone that's surprised by this hasn't been following the phone long enough to be commenting about it.

So Engadget could be wrong that the battery is bad, and we all knew the battery would be bad, but we didn't really know the battery would be bad, but if we are surprised to find out the battery is bad there's something wrong with us.

Fascinating take on things.

 

[thedeceiver]

So Engadget could be wrong that the battery is bad, and we all knew the battery would be bad, but we didn't really know the battery would be bad, but if we are surprised to find out the battery is bad there's something wrong with us.

Fascinating take on things.

I am willing to bet that they got the word from HTC. They had a big reader event in san fran and HTC was there showing off new phones. Coincidence that HTC at an Engadget event at the very moment Engadget releases that kind of information? I think not.

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[thedeceiver]

Keep in mind Engadget's post is not substantiated. We knew battery life would be bad because 4G sucks down battery. Without having a fully functional 4G network (and network engineers to test the handset), you don't really know how bad until its out there in the wild.

Anyone that's surprised by this hasn't been following the phone long enough to be commenting about it.

They have a fully functional network. In 40 plus cities so I am not sure why you don't think its possible to test against a fuller network. Also, simulating data usage and battery drain in a lab is down right easy.



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