'The Galaxy S5 has the best smartphone display ever'

[Adranalyne]

Hard to argue with that. I keep looking at the flashy new phones that come out and then look at my N5 and say nothing is better.

Apparently AC will argue with that, but oh well.

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[Aquila]

Even if not objectively "better" than other devices (there's still a valid, "better at what?" question) - how many devices are TWICE as good to justify the value​ differential?

 

[madlaw1071]

Apparently AC will argue with that, but oh well.

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I think they write to their audience. Far more folks with buy M8s and S5s than Nexus'(or is it Nexuses, Nexus's or Nexii?) That's why coverage seems skewed at times.

 

[Jdroids]

Apparently they missed One, N5 in testing. But given S5 addressed the weakness of AMOLED screen like brightness, color gamut and made the lowest reflection for outdoor visibility, I bet it would still come out on top even if they were included. AMOLED always had upper hand on contrast, high viewing angle.

 

[Tommy Lauwers]

Pre orders begin tomorrow the 3rd official release the 11th

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[Kevin OQuinn]

Apparently they missed One, N5 in testing. But given S5 addressed the weakness of AMOLED screen like brightness, color gamut and made the lowest reflection for outdoor visibility, I bet it would still come out on top even if they were included. AMOLED always had upper hand on contrast, high viewing angle.

Color accuracy and white point has always been the problem. And saturation. They can absolutely fix those things, but I'll wait until Anandtech tests before I believe they did.

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[ab304945]

That's because the Nexus 5 is still the best all around phone out right now.

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Not really in my opinion.

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[Sanjay Chandra]

Color accuracy and white point has always been the problem. And saturation. They can absolutely fix those things, but I'll wait until Anandtech tests before I believe they did.

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Displaymate is better when it comes to display testing imho.
Example , Anandtech said highest brightness is ~320 nits range for Note III but on auto-brightness it gives ~650 nits (which displaymate covered but anand didn't.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Displaymate is better when it comes to display testing imho.
Example , Anandtech said highest brightness is ~320 nits range for Note III but on auto-brightness it gives ~650 nits (which displaymate covered but anand didn't.

Displaymate has a very limited set of devices that they've tested. That makes pretty much any claim of "best display ever" as invalid.

You also can't do any of their tests yourself without buying their equipment. That doesn't seem in the least bit like a conflict of interest of sorts?

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[Sanjay Chandra]

Displaymate has a very limited set of devices that they've tested. That makes pretty much any claim of "best display ever" as invalid.

You also can't do any of their tests yourself without buying their equipment. That doesn't seem in the least bit like a conflict of interest of sorts?

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Anandtech is good at processor analysis and benchmarks , They even caught Samsung and HTC cheating in benchmarks (which they didn't have to do at all but they did it still because they are good at that , Which site caught those cheating benchmarks ? Anandtech first)

What I am saying is , Anandtech isn't putting the same common sense when testing displays as opposed to detailed analysis of Processors/performance etc.
Displaymate covers things in more detailed and diverse way than what Anandtech covers in displays.

edit : They did cover many devices
http://www.displaymate.com/mobile.html

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Anandtech is good at processor analysis and benchmarks , They even caught Samsung and HTC cheating in benchmarks (which they didn't have to do at all but they did it still because they are good at that , Which site caught those cheating benchmarks ? Anandtech first)

What I am saying is , Anandtech isn't putting the same common sense when testing displays as opposed to detailed analysis of Processors/performance etc.
Displaymate covers things in more detailed and diverse way than what Anandtech covers in displays.

edit : They did cover many devices
Mobile LCD and OLED Display Shoot-Outs

So there's no "common sense" in this display analysis:

AnandTech | Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Review

Also, being able to duplicate their results is very important. Using proprietary tools/methods is not ideal. In other words (and as I've stated before), you can't duplicate DisplayMate's results without buying something from them. I'm not saying they aren't performing accurate testing, and I'm not saying it's wrong (it is presented very poorly though, with far too many links to follow to get the relevant information). I'm just saying that there are too many questionable things going on, and Anandtech performs the same testing for every device, and they aren't trying to sell you testing and calibration equipment at the same time.

If you (or anybody else) wants to take DisplayMate as the absolute authority on displays then feel free. I just wonder why there's no LG G2 or Nexus 5 results from them, and why the heavy bias towards Samsung OLED displays? I guess the real difference is that Anandtech is more interested in informing people about the devices they review as opposed to DisplayMate which has to take commercial interests in to consideration as well.

At the bottom of every single page in any "shootout" they did:

tl;dr - buy our stuff. it will make your stuff better.

[h=3]DisplayMate Display Optimization Technology[/h]All Smartphone and Tablets displays can be significantly improved using DisplayMate’s advanced scientific analysis and mathematical display modeling and optimization of the display hardware, factory calibration, and driver parameters. We help manufacturers with expert display procurement, prototype development, and production quality control so they don’t make mistakes similar to those that are exposed in our Display Technology Shoot-Out series. We can also improve the performance of any specified set of display parameters. This article is a lite version of our intensive scientific analysis – before the benefits of our DisplayMate Display Optimization Technology, which can correct or improve all of these issues. If you are a display or product manufacturer and want to significantly improve display performance for a competitive advantage then Contact DisplayMate Technologies.

 

[Sanjay Chandra]

So there's no "common sense" in this display analysis:

AnandTech | Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Review

Also, being able to duplicate their results is very important. Using proprietary tools/methods is not ideal. In other words (and as I've stated before), you can't duplicate DisplayMate's results without buying something from them. I'm not saying they aren't performing accurate testing, and I'm not saying it's wrong (it is presented very poorly though, with far too many links to follow to get the relevant information). I'm just saying that there are too many questionable things going on, and Anandtech performs the same testing for every device, and they aren't trying to sell you testing and calibration equipment at the same time.

If you (or anybody else) wants to take DisplayMate as the absolute authority on displays then feel free. I just wonder why there's no LG G2 or Nexus 5 results from them, and why the heavy bias towards Samsung OLED displays? I guess the real difference is that Anandtech is more interested in informing people about the devices they review as opposed to DisplayMate which has to take commercial interests in to consideration as well.

At the bottom of every single page in any "shootout" they did:

tl;dr - buy our stuff. it will make your stuff better.

[h=3]DisplayMate Display Optimization Technology[/h]All Smartphone and Tablets displays can be significantly improved using DisplayMate?s advanced scientific analysis and mathematical display modeling and optimization of the display hardware, factory calibration, and driver parameters. We help manufacturers with expert display procurement, prototype development, and production quality control so they don?t make mistakes similar to those that are exposed in our Display Technology Shoot-Out series. We can also improve the performance of any specified set of display parameters. This article is a lite version of our intensive scientific analysis ? before the benefits of our DisplayMate Display Optimization Technology, which can correct or improve all of these issues. If you are a display or product manufacturer and want to significantly improve display performance for a competitive advantage then Contact DisplayMate Technologies.

Just FYI : (inside about us)

The developer of DisplayMate is an internationally recognized research scientist with a distinguished career that spans physics, computer science, and television system design. Dr. Soneira obtained his Ph.D. in Theoretical Physics from Princeton University, spent 5 years as a Long-Term Member of the world famous Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, another 5 years as a Principal Investigator in the Computer Systems Research Laboratory at AT&T Bell Laboratories, and has designed, tested, and installed color television broadcast equipment for the CBS Television Network Engineering and Development Department. He has authored over 35 research articles in scientific journals in physics and computer science, including Scientific American.

And Displaymate gave gold standard to iPad 3 display , praised iPhone 5 display , biased ? lol

They even praised Nexus 7 2013 display and Kindle Fire and see this

 

[Jdroids]

I agree Anandtech is good at analyzing processor, memory and benchmarks. But when it comes to screen display review I wouldn't consider them that professional compared to others. Actually even GSMarena does better job on display analysis it seems. If Displaymate is using equipments good for display testing, I have no problem trusting their results. Just because they didn't include some other flagship phones in testing doesn't invalidate the analysis result they published.

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Just FYI : (inside about us)

The developer of DisplayMate is an internationally recognized research scientist with a distinguished career that spans physics, computer science, and television system design. Dr. Soneira obtained his Ph.D. in Theoretical Physics from Princeton University, spent 5 years as a Long-Term Member of the world famous Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, another 5 years as a Principal Investigator in the Computer Systems Research Laboratory at AT&T Bell Laboratories, and has designed, tested, and installed color television broadcast equipment for the CBS Television Network Engineering and Development Department. He has authored over 35 research articles in scientific journals in physics and computer science, including Scientific American.

And Displaymate gave gold standard to iPad 3 display , praised iPhone 5 display , biased ? lol

They even praised Nexus 7 2013 display and Kindle Fire and see this

I never said that the tests weren't valid, or that they weren't qualified to do display analysis. I said their motivations are questionable. They have "skin in the game" so to speak. They're business is selling their solutions, equipment, and services. So you don't need to prove to me that they are qualified and/or experts on displays. I'm well aware of that fact already.

I'm also not sure what that link is supposed to show me....I never said they seemed to favor Apple.

We're getting way off-topic though. My original point was that I want to wait for other places to do display testing before believing that the S5 has the best display ever on a phone.

 

[Aquila]

I agree Anandtech is good at analyzing processor, memory and benchmarks. But when it comes to screen display review I wouldn't consider them that professional compared to others. Actually even GSMarena does better job on display analysis it seems. If Displaymate is using equipments good for display testing, I have no problem trusting their results. Just because they didn't include some other flagship phones in testing doesn't invalidate the analysis result they published.

This is similar to when drug companies only test against a placebo or test against something arbitrarily chosen, rather than the current best in class treatment. It does not invalidate the effectiveness of their results, but the results are still biased in that there is no information available about the effectiveness of the test group versus the market leader. You can't test a new headache drug and ignore Aspirin and Tylenol, etc while testing only against sugar pills and/or no treatment and then say your product is the best.

In this test, they presumably did test against other devices, but the top displays on the market are fully ignored. So, it may be the best of everything that they have tested... but that rank is meaningless in the larger "best in the market" context, given that we don't know anything about how their standards compare to previous standards in methodology and result metrics, nor how close their rating system comes to ranking the previous leaders to the accepted rank order that previous tests defined. As soon as they use their methodology to duplicate the results of previous tests on the Nexus 5, LG G2, HTC One, iPhone 5s, etc and get that order correct, then they can evaluate the Galaxy S5 and input it in the proper order and if it's the leader, okay cool... and if not, then this headline will still be just as meaningless as it is today.

This is akin to sampling rhubarb and pistachio flavored ice creams, having never tasted ice cream before and declaring your favorite, via a self-developed criteria, of those two samples to be the "best ever". Obviously, there are many more kinds and you're ignoring the most commonly accepted bests, such as chocolate, vanilla and the whatever else people have accepted by a common standard to be among the best.

 

[Sanjay Chandra]

I never said that the tests weren't valid, or that they weren't qualified to do display analysis. I said their motivations are questionable. They have "skin in the game" so to speak. They're business is selling their solutions, equipment, and services. So you don't need to prove to me that they are qualified and/or experts on displays. I'm well aware of that fact already.

I'm also not sure what that link is supposed to show me....I never said they seemed to favor Apple.

We're getting way off-topic though. My original point was that I want to wait for other places to do display testing before believing that the S5 has the best display ever on a phone.

Lets be honest here , Biggest complains about AMOLED are brightness and Pentile (Samsung's side)

Brightness - check (actually highest display brightness on auto mode even better than iPhone 5)
Pentile - Didn't matter since GS4

Now lets compare color gamut :
Overall Accurate colors - Very close to LCD
Professional Photo Mode - Good for photography apps

Contrast ratio - Too good (This has been something where even previous AMOLEDs are good at)
Sunlight visibility - Check
Reflections - Check
Screen Uniformity - Check (LCDs often have irregular spots and sahdows due to edge lighting of LEDs)
Viewing Angles - Check
Power efficiency - Variable

("For LCDs a wider Color Gamut reduces the power efficiency and the Intensity Scale
affects both image brightness and color mixture accuracy.")

So basically , even if you look at this in normal way , LCDs cannot beat this display , in terms of contrast ratio , screen uniformity and wider color gamut.
(Even without considering brightness , Viewing Angles, reflections and sunlight which may actually change)

Galaxy S5 is still one of the best displays in my opinion if not "the best of all" because OLED advantages are just too good.

 

[Fr0gburp3r]

Lets be honest here , Biggest complains about AMOLED are brightness and Pentile (Samsung's side)

Brightness - check (actually highest display brightness on auto mode even better than iPhone 5)
Pentile - Didn't matter since GS4

Now lets compare color gamut :
Overall Accurate colors - Very close to LCD
Professional Photo Mode - Good for photography apps

Contrast ratio - Too good (This has been something where even previous AMOLEDs are good at)
Sunlight visibility - Check
Reflections - Check
Screen Uniformity - Check (LCDs often have irregular spots and sahdows due to edge lighting of LEDs)
Viewing Angles - Check
Power efficiency - Variable

("For LCDs a wider Color Gamut reduces the power efficiency and the Intensity Scale
affects both image brightness and color mixture accuracy.")

So basically , even if you look at this in normal way , LCDs cannot beat this display , in terms of contrast ratio , screen uniformity and wider color gamut.
(Even without considering brightness , Viewing Angles, reflections and sunlight which may actually change)

Galaxy S5 is still one of the best displays in my opinion if not "the best of all" because OLED advantages are just too good.

So, did you come up with this conclusion with your own scientific testing or are you just repeating what displaymate claimed?

 

[Kevin OQuinn]

Lets be honest here , Biggest complains about AMOLED are brightness and Pentile (Samsung's side)

Brightness - check (actually highest display brightness on auto mode even better than iPhone 5)
Pentile - Didn't matter since GS4

Now lets compare color gamut :
Overall Accurate colors - Very close to LCD
Professional Photo Mode - Good for photography apps

Contrast ratio - Too good (This has been something where even previous AMOLEDs are good at)
Sunlight visibility - Check
Reflections - Check
Screen Uniformity - Check (LCDs often have irregular spots and sahdows due to edge lighting of LEDs)
Viewing Angles - Check
Power efficiency - Variable

("For LCDs a wider Color Gamut reduces the power efficiency and the Intensity Scale
affects both image brightness and color mixture accuracy.")

So basically , even if you look at this in normal way , LCDs cannot beat this display , in terms of contrast ratio , screen uniformity and wider color gamut.
(Even without considering brightness , Viewing Angles, reflections and sunlight which may actually change)

Galaxy S5 is still one of the best displays in my opinion if not "the best of all" because OLED advantages are just too good.

Well you started off incorrect. The biggest complaints about AMOLED are over saturated colors and daylight visibility (there are others, like the blotching and burn-in). Both can be remedied of course, and Samsung has done a lot better lately with Movie mode (not the others, though). AMOLED can't inherently match the brightness of LCD yet, which is why Samsung focuses on other things, like anti reflection coatings and things like that.

You're way off on color gamut, BTW, but I'll let you do a little research on it (a wider color gamut is useless on a mobile display, hence the over saturated colors on OLED displays).

You're also still running with "omg you're attacking the S5 display" when, as I've said twice already, I just want to wait for other places to test it before proclaiming it as the best. You seem to be ok doing that now, which kinda sorta invalidates the discussion as a whole (read what Darth Spock said above for why).

 

[Sanjay Chandra]

So, did you come up with this conclusion with your own scientific testing or are you just repeating what displaymate claimed?

Its basic conclusion of OLED Vs LCD

 

[Sanjay Chandra]

Well you started off incorrect. The biggest complaints about AMOLED are over saturated colors and daylight visibility
You're way off on color gamut, BTW, but I'll let you do a little research on it (a wider color gamut is useless on a mobile display, hence the over saturated colors on OLED displays).

Let me tell you this :
Ever heard Nokia's sunlight visibility options ? That's exactly what I am speaking about wider color gamut and even its normal thing that screen looses gamut under ambient light and 100% of LCD gamut fall down to give washed out display while AMOLED + >100% gamut mode can compensate the lost gamut and can give you near to 100%.

Basically LCD+indoors = Good
LCD+outdoors = color gamut falls resulting in poor colors

AMOLED + indoors = Movie mode
AMOLED + outdoors = saturation mode
Basically , AMOLED has advantage of these things when considering real life conditions.