The HTC One has kind of saved the mobile market...

[Eric Kane]

Sales figures have little to do with them being on the same level. The qualities of the phone do. Considering those, the One is certainly on the same level as its competitors.

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It does when I was referring to how they perform in the market.

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[madlaw1071]

Sales figures have little to do with them being on the same level. The qualities of the phone do. Considering those, the One is certainly on the same level as its competitors.

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That's pure opinion my friend. Sales figures are fact. "Comparing favorably" may or may not be enough to save HTC. They needed to beat the best and the jury's out.

 

[JHBThree]

It does when I was referring to how they perform in the market.

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It still doesn't. If the One sells 10 million units, that will put it on the same level as the S4 or iPhone. Is it smaller than either of those? Yes. But you also have to consider the scale of their operations. 10 million for HTC would be a HUGE increase. It wouldn't for Samsung because they also sell tens of millions of dumb phones and frankly crappy smartphones.

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[ffejjj]

I don't even think HTC's fight is with Samsung or iPhone but more with themselves.

Just like last year they have a top device, they just need to figure out how to convey that to the masses. I think their making moves in the right direction. I think the measuring sick they need to be held against is their own and not that of Samsung or iPhone. There just not there yet

The One in my opinion is the better phone

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[Eric Kane]

It still doesn't. If the One sells 10 million units, that will put it on the same level as the S4 or iPhone. Is it smaller than either of those? Yes. But you also have to consider the scale of their operations. 10 million for HTC would be a HUGE increase. It wouldn't for Samsung because they also sell tens of millions of dumb phones and frankly crappy smartphones.

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So by that logic, if BlackBerry sells 10 million Z10 it's on the same level as Samsung or Apple because it performed well by their own standards? That's hilarious.

Samsung is already doing better than they did last year. It's amusing how so many of you dismiss their success and want so badly for your own phones to be as culturally relevant. In your case, I'm guessing you didn't like the S4, returned it, and now you want to vent.

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[JHBThree]

So by that logic, if BlackBerry sells 10 million Z10 it's on the same level as Samsung or Apple because it performed well by their own standards? That's hilarious.
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Yes, as a matter of fact it does. When you consider the numbers you also have to look at their total volume. Samsung sold what, well over 100 million phones last year, the majority of which weren't smart phones. If they weren't selling 50 million S3s/S4s something would be very wrong.

Htc, in contrast, has significantly lower volume because they don't sell those crap dumb phones and also don't sell a hundred different low rent smart phones. It would be impossible for them to hit the same volume as either Apple or Samsung. But selling 10 million units of the One WOULD put them on the same level as them, because that is still a high volume of handsets.


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[Eric Kane]

Yes, as a matter of fact it does. When you consider the numbers you also have to look at their total volume. Samsung sold what, well over 100 million phones last year, the majority of which weren't smart phones. If they weren't selling 50 million S3s/S4s something would be very wrong.

Htc, in contrast, has significantly lower volume because they don't sell those crap dumb phones and also don't sell a hundred different low rent smart phones. It would be impossible for them to hit the same volume as either Apple or Samsung. But selling 10 million units of the One WOULD put them on the same level as them, because that is still a high volume of handsets.


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Why are you bringing any other phones into this? Take just the numbers for the S4 and the iPhone 5. The One is not on that level. You can spin it any way you want to; they won't sell anywhere near as many as Samsung and Apple will with their flagships.

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[JHBThree]

Why are you bringing any other phones into this? Take just the numbers for the S4 and the iPhone 5. The One is not on that level. You can spin it any way you want to; they won't sell anywhere near as many as Samsung and Apple will with their flagships.

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Total volume matters. It is not spin. You cannot just look at the numbers by themselves. Context matters.

If HTC sells 10 million One devices on total sales of 15 million devices, that's a big deal. That certainly puts them on the same level as apple and Samsung.

 

[JHBThree]

That's pure opinion my friend. Sales figures are fact. "Comparing favorably" may or may not be enough to save HTC. They needed to beat the best and the jury's out.

Not opinion at all. Sales figures are a set of facts taken from a larger context. You cannot remove one from the other and get an accurate picture.

Also, comparing favorably absolutely matters. They didn't need to beat Samsung, they needed to be the legitimate alternative TO Samsung, which is what they've done.

 

[NotJustAPhone]

I was hoping that after the earlier problems in the thread the discussion could remain ciivil. Unfortunately, there are some folks who are unable and/or unwilling to do so. Thread closed.