The iPhone SE 2020 basically just killed the Pixel 4a and other value flagships...

[Javier P]

What's going to determine that the claim "The iPhone SE 2020 basically just killed the Pixel 4a and other value flagships" (again, the AC article title) was unfounded?

I understand what you mean by metrics, what I still don't understand is what it has to do with me and my posts. Maybe you forgot what I said or maybe you just want to change the subject.

I've posted my opinion very clearly since my first reply, let's try again. I think that saying that a refurbished old iPhone with a tiny and unremarkable display has already killed not only the 4a but a whole segment of value Android phones is completely unfounded. And that claiming such a thing even before anyone knows how it will perform in real life is plainly ridiculous. I don't need any metrics for this, it's just my opinion. It's fine if you don't like it or agree with it.

Does this mean that I consider the SE a bad phone? Not at all, but that's a different discussion and I have already posted about it.

You are the one saying what the masses care or not, that the battery life will be probably enough for most people, that the screen quality will be just fine for most users ... I don't know, maybe these are your metrics but your ambiguity about what you really think about your own thread and title is getting a bit tiring.

 

[Mike Dee]

The iPhone SE200 won't kill the 4a and the idea is simply preposterous at best. Apple isn't releasing this device to target a specific device. I'm sure there's a market for it and they may sell quite well. Yeah, they may switch some people from Android but if anything most of their sales will probably existing IOS users with older devices.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Since it’s been brought up many times before, I thought I’d address it.

Yes, I know you can find an older flagship on eBay for not much more than the price of an SE. If that’s you, more power to you. But you’re not the kind of person Apple is targeting.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

The iPhone SE200 won't kill the 4a and the idea is simply preposterous at best. Apple isn't releasing this device to target a specific device. I'm sure there's a market for it and they may sell quite well. Yeah, they may switch some people from Android but if anything most of their sales will probably existing IOS users with older devices.

What really jumped at me from the article is how it already jumps to a conclusion almost immediately after the phone is released. Yes, the new SE has a much more powerful SoC and will more than likely be supported for far longer than Android flagships all in a much lower price.

But this isn’t a phone for everyone and Apple knows that. The people who dislike Apple for whatever reason or have been accustomed to Android won’t consider this phone for themselves because it’s not for them and the processor won’t change that. To say that the iPhone SE has already “killed” the Pixel 4A is, I’d argue, rather uninformed.

True, the 4A won’t be supported for as long, nor will it be nearly as powerful. But it will have features that will appeal to a userbase that’s different from the iPhone SE’s.

Truthfully, I hope these phones succeed because the $400 space is in dire need of re-ignition after the fantastic array of options we got in 2016, which has since stagnated, especially since OnePlus has slowly evolved from a value-brand to a more premium one. But I also think it’s important to take a step back and think rationally over this. Apple has indeed released an extremely compelling option for iPhone users who either want the hardware of the iPhone 11 but wish to retain the older iPhone 8 design or iPhone users/potential switchers who want a lower cost iPhone that’s brand-new with a full warranty.But this isn’t the phone to woo everyone and we definitely need competition in this space to appeal to those who want something different.

 

[Morty2264]

Thanks. She said, why didn't you get me this in the first place. j/k lol

Like me, she loves the Twilight color more than the phone. She does try to use the gestures here and there.

LOOL I too was fascinated with that colour.

 

[Ry]

I understand what you mean by metrics, what I still don't understand is what it has to do with me and my posts. Maybe you forgot what I said or maybe you just want to change the subject.

I've posted my opinion very clearly since my first reply, let's try again. I think that saying that a refurbished old iPhone with a tiny and unremarkable display has already killed not only the 4a but a whole segment of value Android phones is completely unfounded. And that claiming such a thing even before anyone knows how it will perform in real life is plainly ridiculous. I don't need any metrics for this, it's just my opinion. It's fine if you don't like it or agree with it.

Does this mean that I consider the SE a bad phone? Not at all, but that's a different discussion and I have already posted about it.

You are the one saying what the masses care or not, that the battery life will be probably enough for most people, that the screen quality will be just fine for most users ... I don't know, maybe these are your metrics but your ambiguity about what you really think about your own thread and title is getting a bit tiring.

You decided to do it this way and it seems that you agree with the title and main claim. That's fine. Other people, like me, think that it's completely unfounded or even ridiculous, considering the few things that we know and the many that we will only know in a few weeks.

There is no information that says the iPhone SE will "kill the Pixel 4a and all the value flagships" today.

As a hypothesis, I think it will.

The data to go by won't be available until we get metrics on units shipped.

To me, it'll simply come down to this: I predict the second generation iPhone SE will be a top ten device in global device shipments for 2020. An even bolder statement - if in 2019 the iPhone XR was the number one device, 2020's will be the 2020 iPhone SE. An educated guess? The Pixel 4a won't even be in the top ten. Calling out the masses? Yes. This is because I'd use volume to back up that any claims of "killing" the Pixel 4a.

That doesn't mean the 4a or any other value devices won't sell. That doesn't mean the 4a won't be good. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't personally buy a Pixel 4a over an iPhone SE. I just think that Apple will be so far ahead with this iPhone SE that those other devices won't really matter to the general consumer overall.

 

[anon(50597)]

The marketing for these devices is completely different, so it is difficult to know if one affects the other.
Does the average consumer even know Pixel devices exist?

 

[Ry]

Does the average consumer even know Pixel devices exist?

"no one can say for sure.."

 

[Morty2264]

The marketing for these devices is completely different, so it is difficult to know if one affects the other.
Does the average consumer even know Pixel devices exist?

I do agree with that - marketing for the two different platforms looks very different.

 

[Javier P]

There is no information that says the iPhone SE will "kill the Pixel 4a and all the value flagships" today.

As a hypothesis, I think it will.

The data to go by won't be available until we get metrics on units shipped.

To me, it'll simply come down to this: I predict the second generation iPhone SE will be a top ten device in global device shipments for 2020. An even bolder statement - if in 2019 the iPhone XR was the number one device, 2020's will be the 2020 iPhone SE. An educated guess? The Pixel 4a won't even be in the top ten. Calling out the masses? Yes. This is because I'd use volume to back up that any claims of "killing" the Pixel 4a.

That doesn't mean the 4a or any other value devices won't sell. That doesn't mean the 4a won't be good. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't personally buy a Pixel 4a over an iPhone SE. I just think that Apple will be so far ahead with this iPhone SE that those other devices won't really matter to the general consumer overall.

It seems that it will take a long time before we can have a look at the metrics that you think will back up your claim, then.

Just a couple of considerations about all those rankings that you mention.

The top ten list needs to be taken in context. It represents just about the 15% of units sold and it's normal that several iPhones will be there. There is just a handful of iPhones models that can be bought new at any given moment while, at the same time, we can find hundreds of different Android phones.

Half joking and just an example. I don't know the real numbers but it's very likely that there are more different Moto G models that you can buy brand new right now than iPhones. This massive fragmentation accounts for the biggest chunk of the other 85% and gives the Top 10 list a different perspective.

I agree with you that the new SE will be high on that list, but it doesn't really matter how high it will be. The numbers that really matter are how many iPhones will be globally shipped, how the market share changes and such kind of global numbers. That's the only way to know if the SE is "killing" the competition, cannibalising its own siblings or just not making a big difference at all. I personally don't have a clue of what will happen and, to be honest, I am not interested in that kind of predictions.

And I also agree with you that the 4a probably won't make the cut. That's normal and expected, best case scenario seeing a Pixel there will take years, if ever. I think we all here know the reasons, starting with marketing, overwhelming competition in the Android market and how difficult is to buy a Pixel in most countries.

 

[mustang7757]

Seen this article in my news feed today , still think the iphone se is going sell well , as well as Pixel 4a

https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/opinion/pixel-4a-beats-iphone-se

 

[Morty2264]

Seen this article in my news feed today , still think the iphone se is going sell well , as well as Pixel 4a

https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/opinion/pixel-4a-beats-iphone-se

This is a great article. I think there will be competition between these two budget offerings but I also think the Pixel 4a's camera will make potential customers go for it. Now, Apple has great cameras too so it may even be a neck-and-neck race. Who knows! I'm excited to find out!

 

[mustang7757]

This is a great article. I think there will be competition between these two budget offerings but I also think the Pixel 4a's camera will make potential customers go for it. Now, Apple has great cameras too so it may even be a neck-and-neck race. Who knows! I'm excited to find out!

I agree, plus it gives both OS a inexpensive look at the other platform instead of 1000.00 price tag

 

[Ry]

Seen this article in my news feed today , still think the iphone se is going sell well , as well as Pixel 4a

https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/opinion/pixel-4a-beats-iphone-se

https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/opinion/pixel-4a-beats-iphone-se

"The Pixel 4a is going to beat the new iPhone SE: Here's why" by Adam Ismail, tom's guide

https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/news/iphone-se-beats-pixel-4a

"The new iPhone SE just made the Pixel 4a irrelevant" by Mark Spoonauer, tom's guide

Looks like they're having their own debate as well. lol.

 

[mustang7757]

https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/opinion/pixel-4a-beats-iphone-se

"The Pixel 4a is going to beat the new iPhone SE: Here's why" by Adam Ismail, tom's guide

https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/news/iphone-se-beats-pixel-4a

"The new iPhone SE just made the Pixel 4a irrelevant" by Mark Spoonauer, tom's guide

Looks like they're having their own debate as well. lol.

Haha , yeah I’m just glad we have these phones at that price .

 

[the_boon]

This is the cheapest model of the Apple lineup. With the iPhone se 2020 upgrade, including wireless charging, improved camera specs and water resistance.Also for a lot of people who didn't upgrade to the newer iPhones because they are expensive, the new SE even cuts the base iPhone 8 by $50 so it is the right play by Apple.

The iPhone 8 (which is just about the same exact thing as the SE 2020) also had wireless charging and water resistance.
So the only improvements are the chipset and camera sensor.

 

[the_boon]

But this isn’t the phone to woo everyone and we definitely need competition in this space to appeal to those who want something different.

How's the iPhone SE 2020 "something different" ?

 

[anon(50597)]

Seen this article in my news feed today , still think the iphone se is going sell well , as well as Pixel 4a

https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/opinion/pixel-4a-beats-iphone-se

If anything the SE might be giving the 4a some free marketing!

 

[anon(50597)]

The iPhone 8 (which is just about the same exact thing as the SE 2020) also had wireless charging and water resistance.
So the only improvements are the chipset and camera sensor.

So newer, better camera, better chip and will last longer. On top of that we are seeing some insane sales prices. What’s wrong with that?

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

How's the iPhone SE 2020 "something different" ?

Not the iPhone nor the Pixel. I was talking about how there should be more good $400 options so people have a choice.