The Oversimplification of the Call Drop Issue in Recent Posts

[rufflez]

Yeah, I have an MLB.TV subscription, but this year, they threw in video streaming on the free app (no need to pay the $15). Video streaming only works on ICS. Looks great in HD. If you don't pay for MLB.TV, you still get a MLB.TV Free Game of the Day (may only be on the paid app if you don't have mlb.tv account).

 

[dmmarck]

Yeah, I have an MLB.TV subscription, but this year, they threw in video streaming on the free app (no need to pay the $15). Video streaming only works on ICS. Looks great in HD. If you don't pay for MLB.TV, you still get a MLB.TV Free Game of the Day (may only be on the paid app if you don't have mlb.tv account).

Oh really? I have the app but didn't realize this. Thanks so much (even if we're a bit off topic lol)!

 

[rufflez]

I run a single person business and being able to communicate with my customers via voice phone, and other modes of communication such as email is essential. I have had the "dropped call" problem since Dec. 15. I am on my second Nexus, (replacement suggested by Samsung to level 2 Verizon support). Both phones have the same problem NOT dropped calls, but the microphone on my phone cuts out during the call. I can hear my clients asking me where I have gone, and am still connected.
My family, customers and friends all know that our phone conversations can end from my end at any time. They also know that I like this phone enough to tough it out and wait for a software fix which has been dangled in front of me since December by Verizon employees at the store and at customer support.
Had I known that this difficulty and embarrassment in my daily communication would slog on for months would I have bought this phone? No. Have I invested time and patience to the extent that I feel the benefits of waiting and having the phone I like so much fixed might pay off? yes
Having to call someone back 4 times in 5 minutes because you are trying to have an important conversation is very very frustrating.
My opinion based on my experience.

For reference sake,
1) what OS version are you running?
2) are you running a Task Manager or Task Killer?
3) Do you have Volume+ installed?

Screenshots of your about phone would be helpful for me to help you.

 

[ragnarokx]

No I really want to know maybe I'm missing something.
I'm on the unlimited data so GN's data manager is just a gimmick to me.
Maxx rooted, debloated, go launcher ICS theme gives me the same look and feel and 0 bloatware.
Please tell me what made you call Maxx a downgrade.
Other than watching full screen videos the soft buttons on GN make the screen about the same 4.3" size.
GN's baterry is pathetic even when I used 2100 extended one.
Screen glass is not gorilla and does scratch.
Speakerphone's speaker is much weaker than Maxx's if you're into watching videos and listening to music.
Anyway, sell it to me, I'll go get another one tomorrow.

This is not a Galaxy Nexus vs Droid RAZR thread, and the OP did not go into the RAZR forum with this thread. Perhaps you missed the clarification on the first page:

For the downgrade comment, for what I use the phone for, any other phone that Verizon offers is a downgrade. That's just for my usage. I want a great screen with easy and expansive customization. No other Verizon phone offers that, so a MAXX for my usage is a downgrade.

Let's stay on topic (which is not the RAZR).

 

[zero neck]

Yeah, I have an MLB.TV subscription, but this year, they threw in video streaming on the free app (no need to pay the $15). Video streaming only works on ICS. Looks great in HD. If you don't pay for MLB.TV, you still get a MLB.TV Free Game of the Day (may only be on the paid app if you don't have mlb.tv account).

they still black out the local games tho, i bet?


off topic but, come on, it's baseball.

 

[Johnly]

Never had a dropped call, just a mic problem that persisted through 7+ OS.

 

[ragnarokx]

Off topic post deleted. I already stated once that this is not a GN vs RAZR thread, I'm not going to say it again.

 

[dmmarck]

This post became unnecessary so my apologies.

 

[dmmarck]

Off topic post deleted. I already stated once that this is not a GN vs RAZR thread, I'm not going to say it again.

You can delete mine too, I'm slow with the Tapatalk.

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[Johnly]

You can delete mine too, I'm slow with the Tapatalk.

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Then I am delete too. popcorn kill!

 

[ragnarokx]

You can delete mine too, I'm slow with the Tapatalk.

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I'll leave it - you can have the +1's to your post/thanks/likes counts. For what it's worth, I lol'ed at the second paragraph

 

[dmmarck]

I'll leave it - you can have the +1's to your post/thanks/likes counts. For what it's worth, I lol'ed at the second paragraph

Heh I should have kept it, but I want to play fair. ;-)

Thanks again, I appreciate it.

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[Johnly]

Heh I should have kept it, but I want to play fair. ;-)

Thanks again, I appreciate it.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2

Dude, you play fair, much more than the majority of folks here....

 

[Johnly]

First off, this is not meant to start a flame war. It's focus is simply on one premise--that the Galaxy Nexus drops calls, and as a phone, it is inadequate, but that inadequacy is more about your subjective perception than objective perception.

Many of the arguments against the Galaxy Nexus, usually lobbed by users with troubled devices, replacement devices, or swapped devices (notably those who now own RAZRs/MAXXs) revolve around the Galaxy Nexus dropping calls and signal randomly and somewhat violently. The claim is that the GN can not hold a phone call, and therefore, as a phone, it is incomparable to other devices currently on the Verizon network.

However, in this day and age, I believe this complaint and thus the connotation derived from this complaint to be both contrived and oversimplified. Here's why.

First, for me personally, actual "phone" or "call" usage takes up approximately 5-10% of my GN usage. I use my GN for a variety of things; as a music player, to check/read/write emails, to browse the internet, to play with apps, etc. etc. At the end of the day, it's "phone" usage ranks very low on my usage totem pole.

As such, for me, I derive much more benefit from using it in other means. What does that mean comparatively? It means that for my personal usage, downgrading to a RAZR MAXX or trying to swap for an iPhone hinders and detracts from my benefit, b/c right now, I do believe there is no better phone out there for my usage. The GN simply does what I need it to do, and it does it better than anything else that I've tried.

I would also posit that for the most part, a decent chunk of us here on AC and other forums use this phone in a similar fashion (meaning that phone/call usage is in the lower percentages when compared to other things). For some users, this is obviously not the case. But for those users, I ask--if you use your phone as a phone for 80-90% of its usage, why bother with something like a GN? Why bother with something like a RAZR? What benefit do you personally derive having a phone that can do so much if you only need it for one task (making/receiving calls)? Why not just buy a flip phone or get one of those basic smartphones with email?

Obviously, that in and of itself is also a simplification, but it's absolutely indicative and exemplary of what's been going on when the complaint threads turn to flaming mush. Where the oversimplification makes sense, at least logically, is when people unfairly (but fairly in their minds) label "this" and "that" as superior/inferior to the GN (or vice versa). Essentially, this occurs when we/they use our/their perception of our/their phone and our/their usage as the baseline for any given analysis. Logically, from both ends of the field/debate, this is highly problematic because there's no actual objective baseline, but instead an overuse of subjective analysis being passed off as objective truth, fact, etc. So long as we can all agree that for the most part these discussions breakdown into a battle of subjective opinions then I think the "complaint" threads can actually serve some good. But until people can see the context of their opinion, these threads will always break down into mindless drivel (and I and others are guilty of contributing to this).

My point with this post is that we as a community should not be too quick to rush to judgment for either viewpoint, good or bad. Phones have their flaws, and for users with different usages, different phones max out their benefit better than other phones. For me, there's no other phone on the Verizon network that would make me as happy and as satisfied as the GN, b/c my usage is tailored almost exactly to what the GN offers. For others though, this is not the case, and simplifying the argument on either side does a disservice to true constructive debate. But comparing the RAZR to the GN, the Rezound to the GN, or anything else to the GN simply ignores the fact that we each use our phone for different subjective purposes, and believe it or not, the GN can actually meet and exceed some folks' expectations when the usage and its ability matches up.

TL;DR -- before flaming or trolling, be aware that your opinion is based upon your own, subjective usage, and that declaring this and that without understanding that conflict renders any actual argument/debate meaningless.

/rant

Love the dmmarck. I havent been inspired in a long time to give valid time to debate, finally. You are right dude, the nexus isn't a phone. It is inadequate..we both know that as we have stated.

Subjective perception? Sounds like it is time to make up for shortcomings....

You set the tone for a Moto war....seriously? Nothing is incomparable, don?t be foolish.

5 to 10% phone call usage? Lets dismiss this now...that is for emergencies only....we use that phone dude.

The totem pole is it is sold at a phone retailer and the nexus should act as such...

Downgrading? That is where you fail. That is subjective not objective. (uh, welcome them flames huh?)

i Phone hinders? Why? Why does the nexus decree such love? Quackery? Yes

Presumptive your conclusion, no poll. Dude! Take one! Ba ha...

Your seventh paragraph make me laugh so hard....we are blind yO! We cant see

I tell you again now, I will run my 4S against your nexus all facets performance. You know I trump here. I loose because of the openness, you have flexible ties....I conceded.

When you say subjective, you become an authority......you know I will trump this. Much love!

 

[dmmarck]

Love the dmmarck. I havent been inspired in a long time to give valid time to debate, finally. You are right dude, the nexus isn't a phone. It is inadequate..we both know that as we have stated.

Subjective perception? Sounds like it is time to make up for shortcomings....

You set the tone for a Moto war....seriously? Nothing is incomparable, don’t be foolish.

5 to 10% phone call usage? Lets dismiss this now...that is for emergencies only....we use that phone dude.

The totem pole is it is sold at a phone retailer and the nexus should act as such...

Downgrading? That is where you fail. That is subjective not objective. (uh, welcome them flames huh?)

i Phone hinders? Why? Why does the nexus decree such love? Quackery? Yes

Presumptive your conclusion, no poll. Dude! Take one! Ba ha...

Your seventh paragraph make me laugh so hard....we are blind yO! We cant see

I tell you again now, I will run my 4S against your nexus all facets performance. You know I trump here. I loose because of the openness, you have flexible ties....I conceded.

When you say subjective, you become an authority......you know I will trump this. Much love!

Did you just drop acid and simultaneously reply to my op? Lol

I have no idea what you're saying in half of it, but I explained the downgrading comment already. It is subjective, obviously.

And the usage is easy. Minutes on call compared to usage off call. I easily go days without a single phone call. Thus, my usage is roughly 5 to 10 % phone call usage.

The Moto folks can bring it, just not in this thread. It was an example and it was explained later as well.

Btw, typing this post took more time than my phone calls today.

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[Johnly]

Did you just drop acid and simultaneously reply to my op? Lol

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You wish! Nah, I am just a warrior.....like to take the intelligent and put em up.'

 

[Johnly]

I like to fish first:-$

 

[Johnly]

So smack me where it hurts...fact are facts

 

[dmmarck]

It just seems like it was written while high. Were you typing on a phone? Otherwise there's like three clear ideas in what looks to be epic poetry lol

I also never mentioned the iPhone, just Rezound and Razr. Probably because I've had an iPad for two years and prefer Android. But that's obvious ;-)

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[Johnly]

It just seems like it was written while high. Were you typing on a phone? Otherwise there's like three clear ideas in what looks to be epic poetry lol

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk 2

LMAO! Don't appease me, not falling. I said it clear, that nexus isn't shizzzz..you taunted my chip speed @ 800 and several other specs..time to back it bro....battle phone is on! Love it!