This unlocked update situation is really looking bad

[slave]

Anyone that didn't buy a carrier version and is complaining, it's on you and your carrier. This is not a Google issue. Quit blaming your choice on Google and take responsibility for what you did.

Or, Google could list that on the website so we'd know this would be a problem. That's what you should have said.

 

[GoNavy79]

Anyone that didn't buy a carrier version and is complaining, it's on you and your carrier. This is not a Google issue. Quit blaming your choice on Google and take responsibility for what you did.

Yes stop blaming Google for everything. "It's google's fault my car got a flat tire." "It's google's fault my phone has crabs." Boo hoo.

 

[slave]

Yes stop blaming Google for everything. "It's google's fault my car got a flat tire." "It's google's fault my phone has crabs." Boo hoo.

Well, when Google releases a phone and neglected to say it wouldn't get updates is Google's fault. What are you even talking about?

 

[GoNavy79]

Well, when Google releases a phone and neglected to say it wouldn't get updates is Google's fault. What are you even talking about?

Google says that all eligible pixel devices receive the updates within one and a half calendar weeks after bulletin release. The bulletin was released on November 1. This is the 9th. They don't push the update to all pixels on the same day.

 

[Maljunulo]

If you want updates, buy a Pixel, and stay away from Verizon.

If they are the only carrier in your area, I guess you are SOL.

 

[slave]

Google says that all eligible pixel devices receive the updates within one and a half calendar weeks after bulletin release. The bulletin was released on November 1. This is the 9th. They don't push the update to all pixels on the same day.

That would be cute, if Google wasn't radio silent, and their experts were not on the official forums telling people they have to side load the update, or factory reset monthly.

 

[jamezr]

OMG...this is still going on? I thought this was settle pages ago!

Here is a little test. If you say your Verizon Pixel is not getting updates......
remove the sim and put in another carriers sim.
If it all of a sudden gets the updates....then it wasn't Google now was it.....
Go to Verizon and ask them why the update is being blocked by them.

 

[slave]

OMG...this is still going on? I thought this was settle pages ago!

Here is a little test. If you say your Verizon Pixel is not getting updates......
remove the sim and put in another carriers sim.
If it all of a sudden gets the updates....then it wasn't Google now was it.....
Go to Verizon and ask them why the update is being blocked by them.

Tell me again how Verizon created the update in the first place. Go ahead, I will wait. Show me how Verizon can torpedo iPhone updates.... See, the software version leads to the next update, Google can do like they have always did, build the path to an update, not controlled by a carrier. This is the first time this has happened.

Google can side step all of this, by simply building a path, and making Verizon check for their specific build. I am on the world build, I don't need the Verizon build to work.

It's simple, you don't even have to simp for Google to understand that.

 

[Jeremy8000]

Tell me again how Verizon created the update in the first place. Go ahead, I will wait. Show me how Verizon can torpedo iPhone updates.... See, the software version leads to the next update, Google can do like they have always did, build the path to an update, not controlled by a carrier. This is the first time this has happened.

Google can side step all of this, by simply building a path, and making Verizon check for their specific build. I am on the world build, I don't need the Verizon build to work.

It's simple, you don't even have to simp for Google to understand that.

You're partially right - Google builds the update, not Verizon. But, at least historically, carriers have had the ability, and used that ability, to delay that update until they have confirmed that it doesn't require any tweaks to it, or to the layers they apply on top of it, to ensure it doesn't wreak havoc on an aspect of operability. And, in that event, that is the responsibility of the carrier who developed those layers, not the responsibility of Google to do it for the carrier.

 

[jamezr]

Show me where anyone said Verizon created the update...go ahead..I'll wait......

Dude..the phones are on the Verizon network...they control everything. Verizon can block and and all things coming into your phone. It is on their network. they have total control.

Do you know how devices get onto their network?
first they have to have a Verizon Sim card. second it has to be an approved device. Then Verizon has to provision the device by MAC address and by IMEI number. Verizon controls it all the way step by step. They also control all network traffic through their devices.

So if you buy a phone on Verizon payment plan...then put a T-Mobile sim in it what happens? Verizon wont let you use that phone on TMO. They do this through the hardware level by MAC address and IMEI numbers.

All updates to a Verizon device has to be vetted tested and approved by Verizon. It is this way for ALL carriers.
Sometimes carriers take longer to approve these updates than other carriers.

It has been proven so many times over and over again here on AC and lots of other forums.

Buy and unlocked phone...place a Verizon sim in it.....if it is not getting updates...put another sim in it and all of a sudden it gets updates. Doesn't even matter what phone manufacturer...Verizon is famous for holding updates back and being that last one to push out an update.

Verizon and all carriers have all the control on their devices. They control what gets pushed out to the device and what does not.
Google, Samsung all send updates to the carriers to test and approve and push to the devices.

 

[qnet]

Tell me again how Verizon created the update in the first place. Go ahead, I will wait. Show me how Verizon can torpedo iPhone updates.... See, the software version leads to the next update, Google can do like they have always did, build the path to an update, not controlled by a carrier. This is the first time this has happened.

Google can side step all of this, by simply building a path, and making Verizon check for their specific build. I am on the world build, I don't need the Verizon build to work.

It's simple, you don't even have to simp for Google to understand that.

The Iphone has always had more clout when it comes to carriers, especially Verizon. As you may or may not know, Verizon initially turned down the Iphone when it debuted. This is why it was on At&T exclusively from my understanding.

When the Iphone's popularity took off, Verizon was left out for a while. Verizon had to bend the knee to Steve Jobs when they wanted to deal with the Iphone. I'm using a little hyperbole but I hope you get what I mean.

I haven't dealt with Verizon for years, but remember way back they were always a problem with Android phones and updates. I don't know how much has changed with them. Doesn't sound like much form reading this thread.

I can agree with you to an extent about Google. I wish that they had more control, and could basically push out an update, no matter the carrier, but that has never been Android's relationship with the carriers from my experience, least of all Verizon.

With such a popular phone, it would be nice if they could just push the update like Apple does for Verizon customers.

 

[Maljunulo]

Tell me again how Verizon created the update in the first place. Go ahead, I will wait. Show me how Verizon can torpedo iPhone updates.... See, the software version leads to the next update, Google can do like they have always did, build the path to an update, not controlled by a carrier. This is the first time this has happened.

Google can side step all of this, by simply building a path, and making Verizon check for their specific build. I am on the world build, I don't need the Verizon build to work.

It's simple, you don't even have to simp for Google to understand that.

Verizon takes the update and adds their own BS to make it "distinctive" whereas with google phones there is no third party (carrier) interference.

 

[bhatech]

I see that some are making this a Verizon only thing and act like this has never happened before

Great that you haven't had this experience on Google store unlocked phones before, but it's happened before where updates are delayed on a particular carrier because they are late to certify. And yes Google bends over back to carriers and needs the carriers to certify updates even on Google store unlocked. Not only Google even Samsung does this on US unlocked Samsung phones. Bottom line it's not an iPhone where you get updates at the same minute to everyone irrespective of country, carrier etc.

This will be my last comment on this thread since it's going no where lol

The only suggestion I can give to people who are frustrated waiting for an update is, yes it sucks but in my experience and opinion it doesn't happen like this for every update. It can happen once in a while for updates on a particular carrier and if you are impatient then at least there are other options we can use to force the update. Not saying that it's acceptable but unfortunately this isn't new and isn't going to change.

 

[anon(40376)]

Show me where anyone said Verizon created the update...go ahead..I'll wait......

Dude..the phones are on the Verizon network...they control everything. Verizon can block and and all things coming into your phone. It is on their network. they have total control.

Do you know how devices get onto their network?
first they have to have a Verizon Sim card. second it has to be an approved device. Then Verizon has to provision the device by MAC address and by IMEI number. Verizon controls it all the way step by step. They also control all network traffic through their devices.


Verizon and all carriers have all the control on their devices. They control what gets pushed out to the device and what does not.
Google, Samsung all send updates to the carriers to test and approve and push to the devices.

Although I agree with what you have stated since that was told to me many years ago by a Verizon system engineer in MI who told me the main reason Verizon has to check out an update is to make sure it works with their changes in how it might operate. Failure to do so could result in customers have phones that are not working or not working correctly.

However, just to clarify, they ignore or just pass through updates for those on an MVNO that is using Verizon towers who are using unlocked phones.

I for one have used two different MVNOs in the past a few years, both on Verizon towers for service and never missed a system update, and with the last 1.5 years being on a Pixel 4XL, never missed a, first Monday in the month sec. update (except for one on a holiday that everyone else missed).

In fact, I got the first 12 update the day the 6 models were released and the sec. update the first Monday of the month.
(I say first, since I just received another OS 12 today.)
And I'm currently on Tracphone, which ironically is now owned by Verizon.

 

[Beachboy63]

I just received the OTA update. Now have the November security patch. Unlocked on Verizon.

 

[anon(40376)]

Was going to ask, but forgot....
Anyone received another Android 12 O/S update today? I updated last month, but today; another one appeared. This one had the A1 Verizon version label while last month's version did not.

Discussion going on at Android 12 and Pixel 4 threads.

 

[slave]

Show me where anyone said Verizon created the update...go ahead..I'll wait......

Dude..the phones are on the Verizon network...they control everything. Verizon can block and and all things coming into your phone. It is on their network. they have total control.

Do you know how devices get onto their network?
first they have to have a Verizon Sim card. second it has to be an approved device. Then Verizon has to provision the device by MAC address and by IMEI number. Verizon controls it all the way step by step. They also control all network traffic through their devices.

So if you buy a phone on Verizon payment plan...then put a T-Mobile sim in it what happens? Verizon wont let you use that phone on TMO. They do this through the hardware level by MAC address and IMEI numbers.

All updates to a Verizon device has to be vetted tested and approved by Verizon. It is this way for ALL carriers.
Sometimes carriers take longer to approve these updates than other carriers.

It has been proven so many times over and over again here on AC and lots of other forums.

Buy and unlocked phone...place a Verizon sim in it.....if it is not getting updates...put another sim in it and all of a sudden it gets updates. Doesn't even matter what phone manufacturer...Verizon is famous for holding updates back and being that last one to push out an update.

Verizon and all carriers have all the control on their devices. They control what gets pushed out to the device and what does not.
Google, Samsung all send updates to the carriers to test and approve and push to the devices.

And for vindication, GOOGLE pushed the update, today. GOOGLE made this right. GOOGLE pushed the A8 build to everyone, and fixed the issue. See, when you hold megacorporations accountable, they fix the issue.

It's ridiculous it took this much effort, but now, GOOGLE made this right, in spite of Verizon Wireless.

[Mod deletion.]

 

[jamezr]

And for vindication, GOOGLE pushed the update, today. GOOGLE made this right. GOOGLE pushed the A8 build to everyone, and fixed the issue. See, when you hold megacorporations accountable, they fix the issue.

It's ridiculous it took this much effort, but now, GOOGLE made this right, in spite of Verizon Wireless.

Then all this did was re-enforce what most of us were saying all along.
The stick in the mud here was Verizon not Google.

 

[belodion]

Some Mod cleaning done in this thread.

 

[slave]

Some Mod cleaning done in this thread.

I don't remember me swearing, so what did you mod? It's not allowed to call out simp behavior? He came for me first.