Thunderbolt Training At Verizon Starts Today during the demo, data/voice was done

[galpdawg]

i hope it is 2/14 be a nice valentines gift to myself

 

[SpaceHippie]

What kind of phone do you have that is only using 300mb a month? I have a Droid 1 and I've never used less that 1GB in a month. Usually I clock in at around 2GB. My guess is that it will be an extra $10 a month for the data plan ($40 total) and the cap will be 5GB. So based on my current usage I would be fine. But with the added speed, I have no doubt that I would easily double my data usage.

a droid incredible. Im currently on unlimited, and have yet to hit 1GB of usage. And im always using the phone. Twitter, facebook, pushing emails, texting.

 

[SpaceHippie]

When im at home, where i do the majority of my usage since im at work or with friends, im connected to wifi which im sure has an effect.

 

[thebizz]

honestly I don't use a lot of data mainly due to my data speeds so with 4g i would use more but not that much i would be fine with 3-4 gigs

 

[anon(75289)]

Droid-life just posted a article about how the TB might get the netflix app... I love my netflix and I'd love to be able to watch tv shows on my phone on the go. But each 1 hour tv show is about 300MB, and a 2 hour movie is 600MB, at that rate, I'd burn through a 5gb data cap in no time flat.

 

[I am Fake Jesus]

i hope it is 2/14 be a nice valentines gift to myself

i hope its before cause im goin outta town that morning for 4 days. it would make a good companion on my trip

 

[htowngator]

Droid-life just posted a article about how the TB might get the netflix app... I love my netflix and I'd love to be able to watch tv shows on my phone on the go. But each 1 hour tv show is about 300MB, and a 2 hour movie is 600MB, at that rate, I'd burn through a 5gb data cap in no time flat.

Yea, streaming over LTE like that will kill your data in a hurry.

However, keep in mind that it might not be as big as what you get on your computer due to resolution size and compression. Regardless, it would be wise to use wifi for that stuff anyway.

 

[ruger141]

I walked into my nearest VZ store today to play with an HTC and a Motorola to get a feel for the difference between the two UI's. When asked what brought me in thats the response I gave and "so I can get a better idea of how the Thunder Bolt and the Bionic will feel". The two reps acted caught off guard and the one was like "how do you know about that?those aren't even released yet" I had to educate them of a few of the specifics lol and they kept acting like it was crazy I knew about them. I was kinda annoyed by this but just told them to check out Android Central, Phone Arena and a few others lol. So appartently they havent had any training at that store yet

 

[Chris Kerrigan]

I walked into my nearest VZ store today to play with an HTC and a Motorola to get a feel for the difference between the two UI's. When asked what brought me in thats the response I gave and "so I can get a better idea of how the Thunder Bolt and the Bionic will feel". The two reps acted caught off guard and the one was like "how do you know about that?those aren't even released yet" I had to educate them of a few of the specifics lol and they kept acting like it was crazy I knew about them. I was kinda annoyed by this but just told them to check out Android Central, Phone Arena and a few others lol. So appartently they havent had any training at that store yet

Definitely not surprised at their reaction. A lot of store reps expect all of their customers to be average consumers who don't know jack you-know-what about what they're looking at or thinking about buying.

 

[michael styles]

Ya they usually don't much themselves either. But some do have an idea, but I highly highly doubt that any of'em have a clue about 3G Voice & Data @ the sametime is coming on this device as well as some future devices as well.
This isn't an isolated thing for verizon to be doing. Lets hope furture devices have this as well so the iPhone can shove it Lol

 

[bigpetefox]

bigpetefox, Since you're more familiar with the technical aspects of this can you explain how Verizon's going to implement LTE on their handsets? How does the LTE "SIM card" come into play? Thanks

At the moment, I do know the *228 function will not be needed on the SIM cards. It'll be scanned in the system, then once you put it in the phone it'll update OTA on its own. The SIMs will be locked, only capable of running in VZW LTE devices only.

We're getting training again on how this works after that other device launches next month before the Thunderbolt.

Thanks for the great insider info.

Will I be able to get a "3G Only" unlimited data plan for the Thunderbolt?! I will not have 4G available in my area and I know it will not be coming any time in the next year... since it is definitely not a large market.

Please let me know, this is very important for me because I do not want to be paying for 4G data if I own an LTE phone but cannot take advantage of it!

VZW didn't mention any plans to charge for 4G if it's not available to you (Sprint, are you listening?). Once they announce it, the plans will be available. If I hear anything, it'll probably be leaked before I can post it..


The Thunderbolt will have two things that were mentioned at the training that were either guessed, or ruled out:

1. SVDO capabilities in the device, it's just made to do it. Not sure if it's the chipset, or if they're updating the network to allow it.

2. There is a dual-core chip in there, but it's a bridged CPU/GPU type setup. Both will be 1Ghz, so the mention of the processor is in relation to the main CPU. Odd, but this is what we were told.

 

[paulmike3]

good stuff, thanks for feeding up what you can!

 

[bigpetefox]

No problem, as mentioned anything else I find I will share. Good thing I have Tapatalk on my Inc..

 

[htowngator]

It's a dual-core in the sense that it has a GPU and CPU, but the actual chip mentioned in HTC's specs is a single-core Snapdragon. Strange, but whatever. I hope that's not some marketing spin they're giving you guys.

 

[edoublediz]

that is quite a stretch! seems to be absolutely marketing driven. Dual core? that means the dual core is actually a triple core!

 

[bigpetefox]

It's a dual-core in the sense that it has a GPU and CPU, but the actual chip mentioned in HTC's specs is a single-core Snapdragon. Strange, but whatever. I hope that's not some marketing spin they're giving you guys.

I don't care 'cause I don't sell phones, but I will tell customers the truth if a sales rep will not. Nothing worse than a customer pissed because the rep said ABC yet they get XYZ, and I get yelled at because they didn't do their job.

that is quite a stretch! seems to be absolutely marketing driven. Dual core? that means the dual core is actually a triple core!

Motorola didn't count the GPU as a "core", so technically the X could be considered dual core. I'm not sure why they feel it should be called dual when the two processors are doing different things. I don't call my desktop dual core because of the AMD chip and the Nvidia card..

It's like calling HSPA+ a 4G network, really.

 

[bmcclure937]

Technically, the chip is "dual core" but that would be a flat-out stupid marketing ploy! All mobile SoCs have "multiple cores" if we look at them that way. They will at least have the CPU and GPU on the same die.

 

[htowngator]

Technically, the chip is "dual core" but that would be a flat-out stupid marketing ploy! All mobile SoCs have "multiple cores" if we look at them that way. They will at least have the CPU and GPU on the same die.

Yea, what is this -- Apple?

 

[The_Engine]

Technically, the chip is "dual core" but that would be a flat-out stupid marketing ploy! All mobile SoCs have "multiple cores" if we look at them that way. They will at least have the CPU and GPU on the same die.

LOL. My Storm 1 was dual core!

Very interesting info.

 

[anon62607]

At the moment, I do know the *228 function will not be needed on the SIM cards. It'll be scanned in the system, then once you put it in the phone it'll update OTA on its own. The SIMs will be locked, only capable of running in VZW LTE devices only.

We're getting training again on how this works after that other device launches next month before the Thunderbolt.



VZW didn't mention any plans to charge for 4G if it's not available to you (Sprint, are you listening?). Once they announce it, the plans will be available. If I hear anything, it'll probably be leaked before I can post it..


The Thunderbolt will have two things that were mentioned at the training that were either guessed, or ruled out:

1. SVDO capabilities in the device, it's just made to do it. Not sure if it's the chipset, or if they're updating the network to allow it.

2. There is a dual-core chip in there, but it's a bridged CPU/GPU type setup. Both will be 1Ghz, so the mention of the processor is in relation to the main CPU. Odd, but this is what we were told.

This qualcomm paper: http://www.qualcomm.com/documents/files/1x-advanced-four-fold-increase-voice-capacity-whitepaper.pdf (last page) implies that SV-DO is implemented by allowing the device to communicate on two carriers and that the the voice carrier is completely independent from the data carrier (eg there would be one circuit switched carrier and one packet carrier). It doesn't directly state this and it seems to me there would still need to be some kind of infrastructure upgrade.

Page 23 of this slideset: http://www.pcca.org/standards/architecture/ev-do.pdf almost directly states it - basically voice on one carrier, data on the other carrier. Sort of like having two cellphones in one handset.