TNW posts their Galaxy S5 review

[Cobravision]

Re: TNW posts their S5 review

Yes, it does have facial recognition and I do use it, but if it's low light/dark, the FFC can't see anything to recognize. That's why an IR-based FFC specifically for facial recognition would have been a cool feature.

 

[anon(8702321)]

A front facing IR camera to allow for facial recognition in low light or even darkness would have been way more useful than a fingerprint scanner.

I think the S6 has been chance of including an iris scanner, which would be ideal. I think they wanted one in the S5, but it wasn't good/cheap enough to be practical.

Omg. Just hearing about the "S6" makes me gag... I mean the s5 isn't even out yet and people are already brining that up? Lol.

 

[Premium1]

With the 4k video and capturing a photo from it, I hope you have really steady hands when capturing the video because it will be blurry from the smallest movement due to no image stabilization.

That makes no sense. Why all the sudden would it be any more susceptible to it than 1080p? You think samsung did not think of this before doing it??

 

[Fr0gburp3r]

It's fine on the Note 3. Why would 4K be more susceptible to shaking than 1080p?

Because 4k on the Note 3 and S5 doesn't have stabilization like 1080p mode does.

 

[Fr0gburp3r]

That makes no sense. Why all the sudden would it be any more susceptible to it than 1080p? You think samsung did not think of this before doing it??

Did you not know that 4k recording on both Note 3 and S5 don't have stabilization? 1080 recording does have stabilization.

 

[Soundtrack to Chaos]

Re: TNW posts their S5 review

Nice review, I just hope that the fingerprint scanner works better than advertised, because this review makes it look pretty bad.

It's a very unnatural movement to do what they want you to do in order for it to work

 

[Cobravision]

Re: TNW posts their S5 review

I used the 4K video on a Note 3 and didn't notice any excessive shaking, even using 4X zoom. It was on par with the 1080p recording on the S4 (which does have software image stabilization).

 

[Fr0gburp3r]

Re: TNW posts their S5 review

I used the 4K video on a Note 3 and didn't notice any excessive shaking, even using 4X zoom. It was on par with the 1080p recording on the S4 (which does have software image stabilization).

My experience was really bad with 4k recording on a Note 3. Look at some YouTube videos with handheld 4k recording on a Note 3. Terrible!

 

[iN8ter]

It depends on how you use your phone and what you're using the 4K video for.

For one, Video Stabilization decreases the resolution of the video, because of the way digital stabilization is accomplished.

Secondly, if you lean up against something or use a smartphone tripod you can significantly decrease or eliminate camera shake.

Thirdly, for sports where you may need to extrapolate images out of the video, the 4K video is superior. 1080p is a 2MP image. 4K is an 8MP image. The image is way more detailed and usable.

Lastly, if you take the 4K video off the phone and load it up into avideo editing application. You can down sample it to 1080p and apply digital stabilization there... The result will be much superior to what you get natively out of the phone using 1080p.

For sports it's worth it to have all options available, 1080p, 4K, 1080/60p, and Slow Motion 720p.

Oh... almost forgot... Higher resolution displays are becoming a lot more common these days. 4K looks much better on those high resolution monitors (i.e. iPad Air, Retina Macs, new Windows notebooks, Samsung's newer tablets, etc.) than 1080p does.

 

[Fr0gburp3r]

It depends on how you use your phone and what you're using the 4K video for.

For one, Video Stabilization decreases the resolution of the video, because of the way digital stabilization is accomplished.

Secondly, if you lean up against something or use a smartphone tripod you can significantly decrease or eliminate camera shake.

Thirdly, for sports where you may need to extrapolate images out of the video, the 4K video is superior. 1080p is a 2MP image. 4K is an 8MP image. The image is way more detailed and usable.

Lastly, if you take the 4K video off the phone and load it up into avideo editing application. You can down sample it to 1080p and apply digital stabilization there... The result will be much superior to what you get natively out of the phone using 1080p.

For sports it's worth it to have all options available, 1080p, 4K, 1080/60p, and Slow Motion 720p.

Oh... almost forgot... Higher resolution displays are becoming a lot more common these days. 4K looks much better on those high resolution monitors (i.e. iPad Air, Retina Macs, new Windows notebooks, Samsung's newer tablets, etc.) than 1080p does.

Majority of Note 3 users are casual users who don't carry around videography equipment. I'm well aware of how to reduce camera shake but it would be nice for stabilization to be an option for 4k video capture. IMO, 4k is overkill for small displays. It's nice when viewing 4k video on 50 inch displays and above.

 

[Ken7]

Re: TNW posts their S5 review

There's nothing you can really do with 4K now though.

Actually down sampled 4K>HD looks much better than if you had shot the video in HD. So there is a very practical use right now. Further, those original 4K clips will be ready to view in 4K whenever you decide to get a UHD display.

 

[Ken7]

With the 4k video and capturing a photo from it, I hope you have really steady hands when capturing the video because it will be blurry from the smallest movement due to no image stabilization.

Actually it depends on the shutter speed which outdoors will be high. So you should be able to get very sharp grabs even if you shake a bit.

 

[Ken7]

Re: TNW posts their S5 review

My experience was really bad with 4k recording on a Note 3. Look at some YouTube videos with handheld 4k recording on a Note 3. Terrible!

Actually I've seen many that are just amazingly good.

 

[iN8ter]

Majority of Note 3 users are casual users who don't carry around videography equipment. I'm well aware of how to reduce camera shake but it would be nice for stabilization to be an option for 4k video capture. IMO, 4k is overkill for small displays. It's nice when viewing 4k video on 50 inch displays and above.

Doesn't matter what they carry and doesn't matter what you're aware of.

For those that need it, the GS5 and Note 3 delivers.

Phones like the HTC One M8 don't, therefore it isn't an option.

That's what matters.

And you completely missed what I typed about downscaling the 4K to 1080p and ending up with much better 1080p output that is basically free of artifacts and is a much sharper picture. You can stabilize in post processing. 4K is a winner for anyone that does video and uses their phone to capture it. Not having it on a 2014 flagship is a huge strike against it for any media-saavy smartphone users.

 

[Fr0gburp3r]

Doesn't matter what they carry and doesn't matter what you're aware of.

For those that need it, the GS5 and Note 3 delivers.

Phones like the HTC One M8 don't, therefore it isn't an option.

That's what matters.

And you completely missed what I typed about downscaling the 4K to 1080p and ending up with much better 1080p output that is basically free of artifacts and is a much sharper picture. You can stabilize in post processing. 4K is a winner for anyone that does video and uses their phone to capture it. Not having it on a 2014 flagship is a huge strike against it for any media-saavy smartphone users.

You can settle. I guess I just have higher standards.

Nobody "needs" 4k. It's a luxury.

It can be stabilized post processing if you want to feel like your tripping on acid.

Ultimately, what matters is what I want and what I want is a stabilization of 4k video recording. You can't deny that stabilization will improve the camera. The LG G Pro 2 will have 4k video recording with Optical Image Stabilization Plus.

 

[iN8ter]

You can settle. I guess I just have higher standards.

Nobody "needs" 4k. It's a luxury.

It can be stabilized post processing if you want to feel like your tripping on acid.

Ultimately, what matters is what I want and what I want is a stabilization of 4k video recording. You can't deny that stabilization will improve the camera. The LG G Pro 2 will have 4k video recording with Optical Image Stabilization Plus.

Please explain to me how that is settling? When the phone does everything the other phones do. 4K is what it does IN ADDITION to competing smartphones... Higher standards means paying the same for a smartphone that does less simply because it has OIS that will reduce - not eliminate - camera shake and force you to process out more shake later, anyways? Video is not photos. OIS does not *eliminate* camera shake in video. It just reduces it. Especially not the OIS that they are using in smartphones...

Nobody needs a smartphone. They're a luxury. Dumbphones work just fine. Right?

Fact and the matter is, 4K gives you true advantages over the native 1080p even if you process it down to 1080p in editing for viewing on [what is now] traditional screen resolutions. I'll put the Downscaled (from 4K), software-stabilized 1080p up against any native 1080p from an OIS smartphone camera setup any day, and I'll win every single time. Cause the results are that much better.

The image stabilization in free apps like Movie Maker would suffice for most consumers. You don't seem to have a clue what you can do in professional software with that video. Pro photographers have praised what you can do with that 4K video output from the Note 3. Yes, even without Stabilization.

4K is not even appropriate for sharing since the file sizes are simply TOO damn big. 2 minutes of 4K video would probably eat through most people's capped data plans (assuming a 2GB cap). 4K is all about what you do with the raw footage off of the smartphone, and for anyone who is using it for that - stabilization is not even a factor since it will be accomplished in Premier/Final Cut Pro/etc.

4K is the future. Computer displays are well past 1080p at this point (tons of Retina-Quality Notebooks and Desktop Displays out there) and soon 4K television prices will drop and they will be accessible to the general consumer. I like future proof devices.

AFAIK, there is no LG G Pro 2 in carrier stores right now. The Note 3 has been there recording 4K since September 2013... I didn't buy my phone tomorrow...

 

[Fr0gburp3r]

Please explain to me how that is settling? The Note 3 still does:

720p 120 FPS
1080p 30 & 60 FPS

And has one of the best speaker setups in the smartphone market for audio recording...

The G2 Pro is out right now? The Note 3 has existed since September 2013?

This is not a luxury. This is a feature that people can decide for themselves whether it's useful or not. For me, it's useful. I don't have time to carry around a DSLR or Dedicated Camcorder. I already tote around a bunch of sports equipment.

I've already used Digital Stabilization in video editing software. It works well and similar to what the smartphone does. It's not that bad.

If the current solutions don't satisfy what *you* want, that's fine, but to make sweeping statements like "You can settle" (which makes, literally, no sense whatsoever, since you're getting almost every video or audio recording capability in those other phones minus the crappy Photo Resolution (One), Bad White Balance (One, G2), or crummy button setup) and insinuate someone has low standards for getting what is a better camera phone than the G2 or HTC One (even with their Optical Stabilization, mind you) is a bit far fetched, don't you think?

Nevermind the OIS in the One and G2 wasn't that great, anyways, and the jury is out on how useful whatever LG puts in their new phone will be. If the white balance in their camera and the post processing continues to be inferior to Samsung, then it won't matter cause I won't "settle" for that, either.

Nobody needs a smartphone. They're a luxury. Dumbphones work just fine. People get them because they allow us to do what used to require bags of equipment to accomplish in an ultra portable form factor. That point of yours is meaningless.

Fact and the matter is, 4K gives you true advantages over the native 1080p even if you process it down to 1080p in editing for viewing on [what is now] traditional screen resolutions.

The image stabilization in free apps like Movie Maker would suffice for most consumers. You don't seem to have a clue what you can do in professional software with that video. Pro photographers have prased what you can do with that 4K video output, yes, even without Stabilization. 4K is not even appropriate for sharing since the file sizes are simply TOO damn big. 2 minutes of 4K video would probably eat through most people's capped data plans (assuming a 2GB cap). 4K is all about being able to process off the phone and produce higher quality footage, especially when downscaled to 1080p, and for anyone who is using it for that - stabilization is not even a factor since it will be accomplished in Premier/Final Cut Pro/etc.

Even with OIS, there is STILL camera shake that you will have to get out of the video so you will still have to stabilize it in software. The only time you can eliminate camera shake is if the phone is mounted, which renders the OIS useless. This is true for smartphones as well as high end dedicated camera hardware (quality differs but they all share the same issues).

Why take the extra steps to fix stabilization issues when it can be done natively on the device? You keep bringing up mounting the phone to eliminate shake. I already know this but who carries around a tripod or monopod everywhere they go. By the time you get it set up, the moment is gone. I want to be able take my phone out and hit record and share it without having to first download it to my computer and edit it to make it halfway decent enough to view. Not to mention, one would need a pretty powerful rig to edit a 4k video. Look, you're not talking to a rookie. Stabilization does not get rid of all movement but it does help. Pro videographers would not be using a camera phone to record 4k video. They would be using professional equipment that have OIS and steadicam rigs to cut down on editing time to fix camera shake. Having to use digital software stabilization post process greatly increases the chances of rolling shutter which pretty much destroys the footage. No thank you. Why take that chance when shake can be reduced with OIS. Why can't you understand that some type of onboard stabilization would improve the camera. Stop making excuses for Samsung. They throw in so many features on their devices but no stabilization when other manufacturers can do it. Why is that? Most Note 3 and S5 users are not gonna be pro videographers so you can stop bringing up professional use. I know what can be done with 4k video footage but most casual users won't have rigs that can edit 4k files or even take the time to edit some random video footage. I understand the Note 3 has been out since last September but what about the GS5? Would having onboard stabilization to 4k video capture hurt or improve the camera? I think we all know the answer.

 

[effreyj]

All I want is a phone that has the body of the HTC One M8, the screen/camera/and waterproofing of the GS5, and the software of the Moto X...

 

[GrooveRite]

All I want is a phone that has the body of the HTC One M8, the screen/camera/and waterproofing of the GS5, and the software of the Moto X...

So you're saying the S5 wins because it has 2 more features over the other devices that you want.....nice!

 

[effreyj]

So you're saying the S5 wins because it has 2 more features over the other devices that you want.....nice!

No, the software is the most important thing honestly. I had a GS4 and I sold it and bought a Moto X, mostly because of Touchwiz.