U11 vs iPhone 7 plus vs S8 camera shoot out

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

I'm sorry, but we are at an impasse. Both of the statements you just made are incorrect, as so the rest of the discussion doesn't make sense without resolving this issue.

Both of the statements I made are completely correct. The scores are arbitrary and having an oversaturated image does not mean a photo is objectively worse.

Objective: expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations.

Things that are not objective are scores and an oversaturated image. Things that are objective would be having more manual controls for your image.

Objective statement: The U11 is more color accurate than the Galaxy S8.
Subjective statement: Being less color accurate is a bad thing.

 

[Aquila]

Subjective statement: Being less color accurate is a bad thing.

Er... no. Just no. This is 100% false. Perfect representation is the goal. Being less accurate is objectively worse than being more accurate. Always. For both displays and cameras, the goal is to be as close to perfect in representing the actual scene.

 

[MDMcAtee]

Er... no. Just no. This is 100% false. Perfect representation is the goal. Being less accurate is objectively worse than being more accurate. Always. For both displays and cameras, the goal is to be as close to perfect in representing the actual scene.

Bro.. He just wants to argue for the sake of arguing.. Even as a moderator you should be able to see this. There's no impasse here he just doesn't want to concide that the u11 is a better camera overall.. and will continue this banter.

This thread has run it's course IMHO.

Mac

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

Er... no. Just no. This is 100% false. Perfect representation is the goal. Being less accurate is objectively worse than being more accurate. Always. For both displays and cameras, the goal is to be as close to perfect in representing the actual scene.

Incorrect. It is not always the goal.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

Bro.. He just wants to argue for the sake of arguing.. Even as a moderator you should be able to see this. There's no impasse here he just doesn't want to concide that the u11 is a better camera overall.. and will continue this banter.

This thread has run it's course IMHO.

Mac

It isn't a better camera overall. There is no best camera overall.

 

[Stevenmc8602]

Incorrect. It is not always the goal.

I tried to stay out of this bc you aren't seeing what you're doing but I have to chime in on this... The purpose of a picture is to capture exactly what you are seeing... What u do to the image or how u enhance it afterwards is up but when you take a pic you are trying to capture as close as possible to what your eyes see.

 

[sydneycooper1979]

Mod Note: please keep the discussion civil and on topic. No need to discuss each other. Thank you.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

I tried to stay out of this bc you aren't seeing what you're doing but I have to chime in on this... The purpose of a picture is to capture exactly what you are seeing... What u do to the image or how u enhance it afterwards is up but when you take a pic you are trying to capture as close as possible to what your eyes see.

Samsungs tend to take warmer pictures for the same reason LG smartphone displays always have cold color temps -- because they like it that way and so do a lot of other people.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

I tried to stay out of this bc you aren't seeing what you're doing but I have to chime in on this... The purpose of a picture is to capture exactly what you are seeing... What u do to the image or how u enhance it afterwards is up but when you take a pic you are trying to capture as close as possible to what your eyes see.

That’s the whole point.

Why don’t I want an oversaturated image? Because too much color can “clip” detail.

It’s always easier to add more color than it is to remove. A camera should take an accurate shot and then allow the user to add more color in post if they so please.

That’s my philosophy anyway.

 

[Aquila]

A camera should take an accurate shot and then allow the user to add more color in post if they so please.

Correct. This is how the high end camera industry works (part of why lightroom, etc is just as valuable a skill as knowing how to take good shots) and if it's true for the best cameras in the world, then it is true for mobile cameras as well. If Samsung or LG is purposefully shifting the colors of their shots, then they are doing themselves a disservice because they are sabotaging their own image quality.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Correct. This is how the high end camera industry works (part of why lightroom, etc is just as valuable a skill as knowing how to take good shots) and if it's true for the best cameras in the world, then it is true for mobile cameras as well. If Samsung or LG is purposefully shifting the colors of their shots, then they are doing themselves a disservice because they are sabotaging their own image quality.

Well, if I’m brutally honest, the whole color discussion about oversaturation likely doesn’t apply to the typical Instagram user.

The reason is because they just slap on a filter. Though that also reinforces the point of giving users a more accurate baseline because filters can make up for the lack of “pop”.

I like oversaturation as much as the next guy, but I’d prefer doing it myself.

 

[belodion]

It would have been interesting if a high-end Lumia had been included in the shoot-out. If I had a U11, I'd do a comparison, as always, with my 1020. Can anyone here do that?
Otherwise, there's this comparison between it and the 950: http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/22295_Camera_head_to_head_Lumia_950_.php

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

It would have been interesting if a high-end Lumia had been included in the shoot-out. If I had a U11, I'd do a comparison, as always, with my 1020. Can anyone here do that?
Otherwise, there's this comparison between it and the 950: Camera head to head: Lumia 950 XL vs HTC U11

I'd say that even up against a 1020, the U11 and other phone cameras on the recent flagships are able to hold their own.

It's still beyond belief on how well the camera on the 1020 has aged. Back when it was released, it was the undisputed camera champ when it came to phones, and not because it had a resolution of approximate 41MP. There's so much technology and control on board that many actually liked it.

Since HMD (the licensee of the Nokia brand for phones) has recently signed a partnership deal with Zeiss, pretty much reuniting the Nokia brand with Zeiss, I would love to see a 1020-esque phone running Android.

The high-end phones have generally excellent cameras, but I would love to see Nokia/HMD experiment again and deliver a phone that almost fully prioritizes on its camera.

 

[belodion]

In fact, now that I come to think of it, it would also have been interesting if the Pixel had been included alongside the 7 and S8, but this is not my forum so I'll stop gabbling.

 

[Fred98TJ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro8cIwTGN58&feature=share

Starting around 12:44 timeline. Camera comparison. Oneplus 5, S8+, U11, XZP

 

[camptime]

The Camera forums don't normally bicker about tiny difference in photo quality they discus how to take better photos and improve as a photographer. Every one has personal preference to what makes a great photo in there eyes.

 

[Fred98TJ]

I have no vested interest in any of the mentioned phones. I just threw this in interest. Very little discussion in this thread about how to be a better photographer and how to take better photos.
Much discussion on the U11 is the "best" camera (whatever that means) so I thought this woman le provide some interesting comparisons to some of the other flagship cameras.

 

[Fred98TJ]

I am a little concerned that they're using an iPhone. Apple doesn't currently have a top 10 camera. Obviously a lot of people have them and there's the android vs ios thing ... but would rather see the U11 put up against it's closest peers, not just two popular devices.

Also concerned that we have yet again, someone saying that they prefer "eye popping" colors to natural colors. Most true to life = best. That's not debatable. If the question is what do you like the most? Answer = who cares, that's up to each person. If the question is what is best? Whichever one is most accurate. Always.

She literally says, "it all comes down to personal preference". That is a HUGE sin that 100% destroys credibility.

To you, "most true to life" colors may be the "best", however not to everyone. I would argue that a camera that captures closest to what the photographer or snapshooter is trying to capture is the "best", true to life colors, over saturated colors, crystal sharp, not to sharp, cooler white balance, warmer whatever.
The photographer (or snapshooter) only determines "best" as it's an individual thing.

 

[MDMcAtee]

To you, "most true to life" colors may be the "best", however not to everyone. I would argue that a camera that captures closest to what the photographer or snapshooter is trying to capture is the "best", true to life colors, over saturated colors, crystal sharp, not to sharp, cooler white balance, warmer whatever.
The photographer (or snapshooter) only determines "best" as it's an individual thing.

Sorry.. Your confusing what is considered to be a proper representation of real life 1 to 1 colors with manipulation of the same for grading purposes.

While how the individual chooses this manipulation is personal preference, the only real way to accurately gage how well a camera does is to be as true to life as possible... and any manipulation either by post processing or preprocessing is never factored into the equation.

Mac

 

[Aquila]

To you, "most true to life" colors may be the "best", however not to everyone. I would argue that a camera that captures closest to what the photographer or snapshooter is trying to capture is the "best", true to life colors, over saturated colors, crystal sharp, not to sharp, cooler white balance, warmer whatever.
The photographer (or snapshooter) only determines "best" as it's an individual thing.

They choose which one they prefer for their needs. But what's most accurate is the most capable until you apply subjective preference.