Ultrapixel Camera Question

[madlaw1071]

I have blown up 5MP shots to about 6x6. You probably won't want to blow these pics up that big. You can go here to check some pics out on your computer to see how they size up. It looks like they will go pretty large without getting pixel-y.

The problem also exists when zooming and cropping images. Details quickly become blurry.

 

[mstrblueskys]

The problem also exists when zooming and cropping images. Details quickly become blurry.

That is a good point. I think another point here is that you will never get high quality photos with the lenses on a cell phone. They aren't large enough. It is important to remember that this is for an everyday shot, just like every other phone camera. If you want a picture you can blow up to the size of your computer monitor and frame on the wall, you aren't going to want any photo taken on any phone camera. This camera will be a great camera... for a phone. It will fit in your pocket. It will also make phone calls and search the web and handle your entertainment needs and manage your schedule.

It's remarkable if you look at it for what it is, but don't expect SLR quality shots.

 

[Russ Smith]

That is a good point. I think another point here is that you will never get high quality photos with the lenses on a cell phone. They aren't large enough. It is important to remember that this is for an everyday shot, just like every other phone camera. If you want a picture you can blow up to the size of your computer monitor and frame on the wall, you aren't going to want any photo taken on any phone camera. This camera will be a great camera... for a phone. It will fit in your pocket. It will also make phone calls and search the web and handle your entertainment needs and manage your schedule.

It's remarkable if you look at it for what it is, but don't expect SLR quality shots.

agreed It works for me, if you want zoom and crop you need a great lense and optical zoom. Phones are for party shots!

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[madlaw1071]

agreed It works for me, if you want zoom and crop you need a great lense and optical zoom. Phones are for party shots!

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Respectfully disagree. I just came back from holiday in Tuscany and had brought my digital camera. Wound up never taking it out of the suit case because the pics my S3 were so good whether viewed on the phone, Facebook, PC or my HDTV. If the One isn't at least as good as the S3 and there are reviews that confirm that it isnt, then it's a fail for me.

 

[mstrblueskys]

Respectfully disagree. I just came back from holiday in Tuscany and had brought my digital camera. Wound up never taking it out of the suit case because the pics my S3 were so good whether viewed on the phone, Facebook, PC or my HDTV. If the One isn't at least as good as the S3 and there are reviews that confirm that it isnt, then it's a fail for me.

I guess it is how you use it. I don't bring my phone internationally and it's only an emergency device when I am on vacation because I don't want to be tempted to take average shots. To each his/her own in that regard though. You can get quality shots, no doubt.

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[BigDinCA]

Respectfully disagree. I just came back from holiday in Tuscany and had brought my digital camera. Wound up never taking it out of the suit case because the pics my S3 were so good whether viewed on the phone, Facebook, PC or my HDTV. If the One isn't at least as good as the S3 and there are reviews that confirm that it isnt, then it's a fail for me.

Then the light in Tuscany must be super-special-different, because the S3 my wife has has taken the worst pictures here in Hawaii. My E3D and my EVO LTE have taken much better pictures. But my Nikon is easily wiping the floor with all 3 of them. The phones will post just fine to Facebook or twitter. The Nikon shots will be the ones that get printed. Then again, it does have a sensor that measures 23.1mm X 15.4mm, as opposed to some small fraction of an inch that ALL of these smartphone cameras use.

 

[warpdrive]

Then the light in Tuscany must be super-special-different, because the S3 my wife has has taken the worst pictures here in Hawaii. My E3D and my EVO LTE have taken much better pictures. But my Nikon is easily wiping the floor with all 3 of them. The phones will post just fine to Facebook or twitter. The Nikon shots will be the ones that get printed. Then again, it does have a sensor that measures 23.1mm X 15.4mm, as opposed to some small fraction of an inch that ALL of these smartphone cameras use.

Your wife's S3's camera is clearly not working correctly. My nephew's S3 takes great pics. She might want to return it.

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[madlaw1071]

Then the light in Tuscany must be super-special-different, because the S3 my wife has has taken the worst pictures here in Hawaii. My E3D and my EVO LTE have taken much better pictures. But my Nikon is easily wiping the floor with all 3 of them. The phones will post just fine to Facebook or twitter. The Nikon shots will be the ones that get printed. Then again, it does have a sensor that measures 23.1mm X 15.4mm, as opposed to some small fraction of an inch that ALL of these smartphone cameras use.

Judge for yourself. Panoramic shot full auto

 

[Erik Pendleton]

New HTC One

I think the camera is adequate for it's purpose.

It comes down to do you know how to get the best from it?

 

[JoshieMSU]

Looking at multiple flikrs from every day consumers, I am impressed with the capabilities of the camera and I feel it will be more than adequate for the type of shots I take and the uses I have for them.

 

[stopsign002]

"Fixing" might not be the right word. Depends on your goals I imagine. Sure, Ultrapixels is a a marketing buzzword. Even though they're larger than what other phones have been using, they're still not comparable to what's in a full frame camera. And even if they were, all the other parts that make up the camera aren't.

Also, no jpeg image is ever going to be perfectly like the original scene anyway. I wish for a phone camera that outputs raw sensor data files. Then you could open the file in a good raw software package on a good, calibrated system and see what the output looks like before it gets processed all to ****. I mean your graphics system still has to map values to your monitor, but at least that's only one level of interpretation.

I wouldn't wish for phone cameras to ever be as good as a real camera though. Who would want to carry that product around in their pocket all the time? Any of them nowdays is way better than the attempts of just a decade ago, and are perfectly adequate for capturing digital memories to share with our friends and family through the internet.

I personally favor the higher resolution, because I'm often taking shots of hvac equipment data plates, electrical panel breakers, etc. with my goal being the ability to zoom in and read the small print on my monitor back at the office. Don't care about image quality other than that in this case. My S2 is barely adequate in this regard, so the S4's 13mp is sounding good to me. Keeps me from having to lug a real camera to the job site. But when I want to take a better picture at my son's hockey award cereminy or anything else I would hang on a wall, or take good jobsite photos that might end up in our next brochure, I'm taking a better camera, choosing a lense, getting the settings right, etc.

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I do something similar in my job, computer repair and networking. I'm often taking pictures of hard to reach product keys or model numbers and in that respect my Iphone 4 has worked great. I hope I get the same if not better level of performance out of the one.

While I get that having the more megapixels can help with this (as a network administrator I do it a lot also), if you think about it the less noise that seems to be in some of these HTC One pictures might be better. I mean, look back at that other thread with the sample pictures (http://forums.androidcentral.com/ht...sample-just-judge-myself-no-war-intended.html). Check out the carpet. If it is capturing that much detail in the carpet, I am really not worried about trying to snag quick pics of serial numbers and such. That should be easy for the sensor. And hopefully the whole low light thing is true too, because these situations tend to be inside a computer case for me haha

edit for clarification: The one with the cute infant standing is the one I was referring to by the way

 

[stopsign002]

Respectfully disagree. I just came back from holiday in Tuscany and had brought my digital camera. Wound up never taking it out of the suit case because the pics my S3 were so good whether viewed on the phone, Facebook, PC or my HDTV. If the One isn't at least as good as the S3 and there are reviews that confirm that it isnt, then it's a fail for me.

Honestly, phones cannot compare to SLRs. Even if you just spend $300 some and get a bridge SLR its going to take FAR superior pictures to your S3. It all has to do with how small everything is on a phone. I got a $350 SLR for my birthday and its fantastic. I take it on all my vacations with me. Phones, at least to me, are just for quick internet sharing. If I want a REAL picture, Ill bring my SLR

 

[warpdrive]

While I get that having the more megapixels can help with this (as a network administrator I do it a lot also), if you think about it the less noise that seems to be in some of these HTC One pictures might be better. I mean, look back at that other thread with the sample pictures (http://forums.androidcentral.com/ht...sample-just-judge-myself-no-war-intended.html). Check out the carpet. If it is capturing that much detail in the carpet, I am really not worried about trying to snag quick pics of serial numbers and such. That should be easy for the sensor. And hopefully the whole low light thing is true too, because these situations tend to be inside a computer case for me haha

edit for clarification: The one with the cute infant standing is the one I was referring to by the way

I remember that pick well, and your comments too. But I'm sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with you. That picture of Russ's baby, is filled with so much noise or artifacts that I just wish you would listen to people who know what they are talking about.

I highly recommend that you read my replys on the truth about HTC's history with their camera software...and everything else I said right here in this thread.

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[mstrblueskys]

I remember that pick well, and your comments too. But I'm sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with you. That picture of Russ's baby, is filled with so much noise or artifacts that I just wish you would listen to people who know what they are talking about.

I highly recommend that you read my replys on the truth about HTC's history with their camera software...and everything else I said right here in this thread.

sent with my 2 year old HTC evo3d

I read your replies - great insight. I actually hadn't visited that thread yet and I'm glad I did. I think the pics from the flicker albums have sold me. Granted, they have great subjects, but they are great phone shots.

 

[warpdrive]

I read your replies - great insight. I actually hadn't visited that thread yet and I'm glad I did. I think the pics from the flicker albums have sold me. Granted, they have great subjects, but they are great phone shots.

You're somehow glad that you didn't view Russ's pics? Why, they are fantastic?
What makes the pics on Flickr somehow superior then Russ's shots?

My point of giving such a reply to that other person was to keep this thread "honest". The reply I quoted could be looked at as a fanboyish type of remark as it had no truth to it.

Now of course, we could all put our heads in the sand again and "believe" that ultra pixels let in 300% more light. But I can't for the life of me understand why someone would go out of their way to NOT want to view some baby pics, and be glad about it.

sent with my 2 year old HTC evo3d

 

[JoshieMSU]

Just read the entire newly posted Anandtech review. The entire thing was incredibly detailed, camera performance included. You guys should check it out. I prefer AC and techno buffalo for a good overview review, and anandtech is second to none in the comprehensive analysis type reviews.

 

[warpdrive]

Just read the entire newly posted Anandtech review. The entire thing was incredibly detailed, camera performance included. You guys should check it out. I prefer AC and techno buffalo for a good overview review, and anandtech is second to none in the comprehensive analysis type reviews.

I agree. Great review. But don't sell AC short. They gave one of the most in depth reviews if this phone and posted additional reports that no other site has done in such detail...such as the one on zoes. I mean, who even talked about highlights as compared to zoes other then AC. They have also talked about the phone to death on the podcasts as well. in fact I almost dare say that they put out more information in a non geeky, easy to understand, fun, yet still in depth with just enough terminology so us phone freaks can enjoy.

Oh, but I do think that more people should read up as much as they can. The phone is worth it, and is still not in many hands yet. Oh I can't wait to see it on the 11th.

sent with my 2 year old HTC evo3d

 

[mstrblueskys]

You're somehow glad that you didn't view Russ's pics? Why, they are fantastic?
What makes the pics on Flickr somehow superior then Russ's shots?

I guess I don't really understand what you are asking, but I thought the Flickr shots showed the low light performance, which was something I felt Russ's didn't go too far into. Together the offered a sort of spectrum: a more complete story. It helped me decide that for my purposes, I will not be disappointed.

 

[toiletducky]

I have 30 years of photography as a pro and now a retired hobbyist. I know what pixels do and what they don't do.


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But they've only been around for 10yrs really.......


I'd argue larger sensors do allow more light. Hence a 10mp SLR looks better than a 10mp cell phone. SLRs are know form worse dynamic range...


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[warpdrive]

But they've only been around for 10yrs really.......


I'd argue larger sensors do allow more light. Hence a 10mp SLR looks better than a 10mp cell phone. SLRs are know form worse dynamic range...


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You can argue all you want, but until you have facts to back up what you say, you'll be looked at as a troll.

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