Upgrading RAZR battery

Are you really going to get that much more money for it selling it as a maxx than you would as a modded RAZR with MAXX battery?
No point in deceiving someone. I would be MAD if it were me and you told me it was one thing when it is another..when I would probably would have still bought it, if I were told the TRUTH..
And I wouldn't make comments about not being scared about a "nerd" coming after you over you selling them something under false pretenses. I am a nerd and a girl and I would punch you in the face right now if you were in front of me just because you are literally making a plan to LIE on PURPOSE with intent to DECEIVE....just saying.
 
I also have a Razr, not Razr maxx and have no problem with battery. I have 4g on all the time, but use WIFI when at home or work. I don't really have a problem with it..I don't think it has been "devalued" by the release of the Maxx at all. Just two options..longer batter or thinner form.. not that big of a deal to me.
 
Are you really going to get that much more money for it selling it as a maxx than you would as a modded RAZR with MAXX battery?
No point in deceiving someone. I would be MAD if it were me and you told me it was one thing when it is another..when I would probably would have still bought it, if I were told the TRUTH..
And I wouldn't make comments about not being scared about a "nerd" coming after you over you selling them something under false pretenses. I am a nerd and a girl and I would punch you in the face right now if you were in front of me just because you are literally making a plan to LIE on PURPOSE with intent to DECEIVE....just saying.

I hate to thread crap, but this whole thread has got those wheels churning and I need some advise from the more techie types. I've also got a Motorola Razr and have been patiently waiting for the ICS upgrade. The ESN is clean, but I can't get the desired life on 4G and Google Maps won't always load. If I root it and upgrade the radio, battery, and OS, could this be considered a Droid Razr Maxx Classic?
 
I hate to thread crap, but this whole thread has got those wheels churning and I need some advise from the more techie types. I've also got a Motorola Razr and have been patiently waiting for the ICS upgrade. The ESN is clean, but I can't get the desired life on 4G and Google Maps won't always load. If I root it and upgrade the radio, battery, and OS, could this be considered a Droid Razr Maxx Classic?

....hmm. ..I am thinking its possible. surely no one will notice...or care...so you might as well just call it that.. :D
 
I'm only considering selling it as a Maxx, but if I upgraded it with Maxx parts, then it is indeed a Maxx. The buyer can be smart and ask about the history. Get over it, we bend ethics everyday, downloading pirated junk, selling cars without telling people about every engine failure or scratch, or selling houses without telling of all the plumbing issues or cracks. Motorola didn't tell me they would come out with the Maxx just 2 months later that would devalue my device so bad. Nah, they were thinking about the bottom line which is sell almost the same device twice in two months, advertising one as the thinnest phone (with battery issues) and the other as the longest lasting phone. Motorola should have offered us an upgrade option.

It's not a Maxx if you modify it and you need to note that. You modified the phone thus its a RAZR with an upgraded battery. If you go to phone settings and it doesn't specify that its a Maxx than its not. And ask questions? Really? Why would someone ask if a MAXX IS A Maxx?!

And your examples are terrible! A car? A house? MOTOROLA releases a phone thus devalues your phone? Wtf? Shame on them, Activision does this with Call of Duty too. Everyone does it in every market. You chose the RAZR, as did I. But I upgraded myself to a MAXX and didn't screw anyone over when I sold my RAZR. If you upgrade it to a bigger battery, keep it. Why sell it?
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you are literally making a plan to LIE on PURPOSE with intent to DECEIVE.

I didn't say I would lie, just say I don't know if asked about anything.

Look, I would punch me in the face too if I sold myself a modded Droid Razr (especially since I'm talking to myself), but I would just say to myself I deserved it for not asking the right questions and not doing my homework. Btw, I wouldn't sell it to a girl who just didn't know any better. And we all nerds especially if we on this forum so I know I wouldn't be afraid of myself.
 
I didn't say I would lie, just say I don't know if asked about anything.

Look, I would punch me in the face too if I sold myself a modded Droid Razr (especially since I'm talking to myself), but I would just say to myself I deserved it for not asking the right questions and not doing my homework. Btw, I wouldn't sell it to a girl who just didn't know any better. And we all nerds especially if we on this forum so I know I wouldn't be afraid of myself.

So they should ask questions but you shouldn't be up front about it? You have some of the worst logic that I have ever seen.

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I didn't say I would lie, just say I don't know if asked about anything.

Look, I would punch me in the face too if I sold myself a modded Droid Razr (especially since I'm talking to myself), but I would just say to myself I deserved it for not asking the right questions and not doing my homework. Btw, I wouldn't sell it to a girl who just didn't know any better. And we all nerds especially if we on this forum so I know I wouldn't be afraid of myself.


But by saying you didn't know.. you are in fact lying because you do know. Also, just because someone is a girl doesn't mean they don't know anything about this stuff..I have rooted and run custom rooms in all my smart phones. What I'm getting at is just because you sell to a guy doesn't mean he knows anything more than to check the esn...because that is all the majority of people know to do.you shouldn't take advantage of people like that..I'm sure you will have no problem selling it while the truth. I have regular razr and love it..plenty of battery for me and I do use it quite a bit.
 
I don't feel like debating ethics or whether this is right or wrong, but it does have the potential to be a little personal.

I have a line on a 3g smartphone whose upgrade date is 10/28/12. I tried to convince VZW to allow me to upgrade to a 4G device early but was shot down. It's significant because anyone wishing to keep grandfathered unlimited data as of today cannot upgrade at the subsidized pricing, so it's clear that any 4G phone I purchase for this line, or any other grandfathered line will need to be purchased at full retail or previously used.

In my mind, the top 4 Android phones currently released for VZW, in no particular order, are the Galaxy Nexus, Razr, Razr Maxx, and Rezound. When I upgraded in December, I chose a Nexus, though a bit reluctantly. It's the best phone for modding/romming and mine has been defect free, a damn good phone, but I've always preferred Moto hardware and thought long and hard about getting a Razr before settling on the Nexus.

If I had gotten the Razr back in December, I would've been disappointed when the Maxx was released, but I'd have gotten over it and moved on, even though my phone may have depreciated quicker as a result.

Now, as I plan to upgrade a 3g phone to a 4g device, I am looking again at the Razr and Razr Maxx. The person using this phone will prefer a device with powerful radios and superior hardware more than ICS/Jellybean and an open bootloader.

I'll be honest, until yesterday, I didn't even realize it was possible to upgrade the battery for the original Razr, so I would've been a potential target for not asking the "right" questions.

I plan on probably using Ebay, and I would be concerned that anyone selling a Razr with an upgraded battery as a Razr Maxx would potentially open themselves up to the possibility of a credit card/Paypal chargeback for selling something not as described. Selling on Craigslist may decrease the seller's risk.

So, what are the "right" questions to ask when buying on Ebay? If a phone is described as a Razr Maxx with a clean ESN, is it reasonable to assume that it's an original Razr Maxx and not a modded Razr? If water damage is not mentioned in the description, should I still assume that it may have been dropped in water? If it doesn't mention in the listing that the screen is cracked, would it be reasonable to assume the screen is uncracked and perhaps even unscratched? I don't know....

When I buy a 2nd hand phone, I assume I am buying it with no manufacturers warranty, unless it is stated in the listing, but I also also assume that if a phone is sold as one type of device, that it is that device and not a similar device that was modded by a 3rd party to look and even act like the device it is being sold as.

Though, here is some food for thought, and I welcome your opinions. When I bought my Nexus, the first thing did, after determining it was free from hardware defects was to unlock the bootloader and root it. Verizon would probably say that I voided my warranty. If I ever decide to sell the phone to a 3rd party, I'll flash the device back to it;s factory state and relock the bootloader. Am I obligated to list the phone as previously rooted? I probably wouldn't but should I?

If it makes any difference, I've never overclocked the CPU or changed the stock voltage. Rooting is a software modifcation, upgrading the Razr's battery is hardware modification. Both probably void the warranty. Should a buyer also have a right to know if their device was once rooted, even though they are buying it unrooted and factory stock?
 
No, you're not obligated to say it was once rooted because you restored the device to factory settings. Nothing was changed unlike the battery upgrade the other poster was speaking of.

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In theory, rooting it can cause some irreversible damage and has violated the original intent of the software you were licensed so this is dishonest too. We can go on forever with these arguments but most of you will be honest until its inconvenient for you.

I think diesteldorf is supporting my argument that everything in the world of electronics is shaky anyway, just sell it anyway you can, this is a good case where the device will act exactly like a Maxx, so if getting a well functioning modded Razr is the worst of your problems, then you got a great deal in a shaky business world. Are you gonna go mention to a buyer every single time you did some strange root or dropped it on some surface? Probably not but I guess you are a better person than most people here if you are that upfront, but good luck getting through life that way.
 
IWe can go on forever with these arguments but most of you will be honest until its inconvenient for you.

I guess you are a better person than most people here if you are that upfront, but good luck getting through life that way.

Your lack of honesty and integrity and the way you rationalize them by trying to acuse others of your shortcomings continue to provide amusement to this thread.

You know it's wrong, otherwise you would just do it and stop trying to get others to say it's ok to make you feel better about it.

Sell it as a Maxx sell it as a Razr but man up, do it and take responsibility for your own actions instead of trying to drag everyone else down to your level of rationalizing wrongdoing by blaming it on others.







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All I can say is I don't care what you say, I'm gonna sell it as a Maxx and you can't do anything about it. I don't even care what side of the fence this falls on the moral boundary, I can get away with it and will do so. I've been screwed over myself and its someone else's turn. You can go live your moral-ass life, and hopefully every single thing you ever do turns out great and everything that happens to you is really awesome, and someone else will listen to you go on and on about "worth" and all that stuff but I don't have that sentiment.
 
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All I can say is I don't care what you say, I'm gonna sell it as a Maxx and you can't do anything about it. I don't even care what side of the fence this falls on the moral boundary, I can get away with it and will do so. I've been screwed over myself and its someone else's turn.

I hope the individual that purchases it from you complains to the company that send the payment and you are back charged on it. Why? Because you're being nothing short of an ass and as such should be screwed over again yourself. If you feel that the RAZR being upgraded to a MAXX is the same thing, than mention it. If you can't do that, than do not list it as a MAXX. It's not difficult nor should you make it seem right just because you've been screwed. Based on what you just said, you deserved to be screwed those times and even again until you stop having that mentality. Just because you can get away with it doesn't make it right. In the end, this will bite you in the ass and I hope it happens sooner than later. You're the worst kind of person for thinking it's okay to screw someone.

Consider this before you turn into "that" guy. Did you appreciate the feeling of being screwed when you were? Did the individual that will buy the RAZR from you screw you personally? No, so don't as if you have a right to do this to anyone. Motorola sold you the RAZR and you ACCEPTED it as is. You were not upset enough over the battery life until Motorola announced the MAXX. You have no room to complain so just stop it now. Motorola owes you nothing. You have NO right to screw someone over because you're bitter that you missed out on an upgraded battery.

I have an idea for you. This is about the loss of value due to the MAXX coming out, right? Upgrade the battery and KEEP it for yourself! It's not above you to use a modded phone, is it? If you don't care about it, than leave the phone as is and sell it. Loss of value is due to market value and you HAVE no right to determine who gets screwed due to your stupidity. You try and act as if rooting it is the same thing as what you're trying to pull off. It's not nor should you even consider it to be. Why? You're selling a RAZR as something it's not. If the IMEI and HEX numbers do not match as a MAXX, than you lied. If you root a phone, but revert to stock, there is no damage. It's 100% stock. Your comparisons are absolutely asinine and you need to grow the hell up.
 
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All I can say is I don't care what you say, I'm gonna sell it as a Maxx and you can't do anything about it. I don't even care what side of the fence this falls on the moral boundary, I can get away with it and will do so. I've been screwed over myself and its someone else's turn. You can go live your moral-ass life, and hopefully every single thing you ever do turns out great and everything that happens to you is really awesome, and someone else will listen to you go on and on about "worth" and all that stuff but I don't have that sentiment.

Wow

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LMAO, somebody needs a nap and their binky.

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this thread has gone way off track.... i want to do this battery upgrade even though getting 18+hours on the regular battery is nice... i dont wanna worry about it dying with heavy use when im away and no charge source is near...... ok, i have the ICS OTA and rooted, so all i have to do is get the conversion kit and install, then do a battery calibration cycle, right.. i dont have to do any other software changes do i
 

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