V30 1.6 Appeture 16MP camera, no dual pixel?

[flyingkytez]

So from the leaked video, you could see the girl putting on makeup in the dark, but on the live view on the phone shows a bright image. The camera expected to be a 16MP and 13MP with 1.6 appeture. However, will the issue with focus speed in low light still be an issue? That was my only issue with the V20 was blurry photos from trying to take pictures of kids or pets in low light/indoor situations. If it doesn't have dual pixel or have some type of software fix for it, then I'm most certainly not getting it.

Dual Pixel technology was introduced with the S7 and HTC just included it on their U11. LG needs to catch up.

Edit: Source:

https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/08/lg-v30-confirmed-sport-16mp-13mp-cameras.html

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

So from the leaked video, you could see the girl putting on makeup in the dark, but on the live view on the phone shows a bright image. The camera expected to be a 16MP and 13MP with 1.6 appeture. However, will the issue with focus speed in low light still be an issue? That was my only issue with the V20 was blurry photos from trying to take pictures of kids or pets in low light/indoor situations. If it doesn't have dual pixel or have some type of software fix for it, then I'm most certainly not getting it.

Dual Pixel technology was introduced with the S7 and HTC just included it on their U11. LG needs to catch up.

I don't think the V30 is going to have dual pixel tech. Nobody has mentioned it.

 

[Mike Dee]

So from the leaked video, you could see the girl putting on makeup in the dark, but on the live view on the phone shows a bright image. The camera expected to be a 16MP and 13MP with 1.6 appeture. However, will the issue with focus speed in low light still be an issue? That was my only issue with the V20 was blurry photos from trying to take pictures of kids or pets in low light/indoor situations. If it doesn't have dual pixel or have some type of software fix for it, then I'm most certainly not getting it.

Dual Pixel technology was introduced with the S7 and HTC just included it on their U11. LG needs to catch up.

The aperture and clear glass lens is supposed to be decent improvement in light gathering, so it should help.

 

[L0n3N1nja]

Duel Pixel is amazing for sure, I've got the S7 and it focuses faster than any camera I've used, that includes a couple DSLRs and point and shoots.

Not a deal breaker for me, but I'm leaning towards Samsung for my next phone anyway.

 

[SchinkenSpicker]

What's the source of the 16 MP? I've read this number too on some websites, but no one was giving a source. When talking about the 1.6 aperture, the articles mostly said it would have 13 MP like the G6, but suddenly they've changed that and in newer articles they say 16 MP without giving a source or even mentioning that there was new rumour about the megapixel count? What article did I miss?

 

[Mike Dee]

What's the source of the 16 MP? I've read this number too on some websites, but no one was giving a source. When talking about the 1.6 aperture, the articles mostly said it would have 13 MP like the G6, but suddenly they've changed that and in newer articles they say 16 MP without giving a source or even mentioning that there was new rumour about the megapixel count? What article did I miss?

I don't think there is one

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

What's the source of the 16 MP? I've read this number too on some websites, but no one was giving a source. When talking about the 1.6 aperture, the articles mostly said it would have 13 MP like the G6, but suddenly they've changed that and in newer articles they say 16 MP without giving a source or even mentioning that there was new rumour about the megapixel count? What article did I miss?

The source is an LG press release.

 

[SchinkenSpicker]

Which press release? The one about the aperture doesn't provide information about the megapixels: LG V30 TO ELEVATE SMARTPHONE CAMERA TO NEW HEIGHTS | LG Newsroom

 

[flyingkytez]

Which press release? The one about the aperture doesn't provide information about the megapixels: LG V30 TO ELEVATE SMARTPHONE CAMERA TO NEW HEIGHTS | LG Newsroom

https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/08/lg-v30-confirmed-sport-16mp-13mp-cameras.html

Glad they are sticking with a 16MP camera. People say it doesn't matter but to me it does, when you ZOOM IN you can see more details, a 12MP will be blurry (usually street signs, leaves, and small details in the landscape). I used to own an S7 so I know the difference. Just hoping the low-light focus speed will be good. Looking forward to that 1.6 aperture.

 

[SchinkenSpicker]

Oh ok, seems like LGs korean press releases contain more information than the others!

LG V30, F1.6 렌즈로 더 밝고 선명하게 찍는다 | Social LG전자

When I translate it to English, it says "16 million standard each, 13 million pixels wide angle High-definition camera as a small module". What does the word "each" mean`in this context? Is it just a translation error, or are there two cameras with 16 megapixels? If not the wide-angle camera, maybe the front camera?

 

[MikeyBugs95]

I doubt it would come with a 16 mp front camera. It's probably just a translation error.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

Which press release? The one about the aperture doesn't provide information about the megapixels: LG V30 TO ELEVATE SMARTPHONE CAMERA TO NEW HEIGHTS | LG Newsroom

That's just who they claimed was a source

 

[lateck2]

Does anyone know if the wide angle on the V30 will be equal to the range of the one on the V20?
I looked at theNote 8 and it is no where near the same wide angle of the V20.
I have found that the wide angle shots on the V20 is great for group shots.....
I'm mad at the overall changes LG is doing with the V's, but the camera(s) have been great.

Lateck,

 

[MikeyBugs95]

I think the "wide-angle" lense is just a normal camera. The second camera is a telephoto lense though.

I also think that a leak said that the wide-angle camera on the V30 won't have as much range as the V20. It would cut down on barrel distortion though.

 

[Mike Dee]

I think the "wide-angle" lense is just a normal camera. The second camera is a telephoto lense though.

I also think that a leak said that the wide-angle camera on the V30 won't have as much range as the V20. It would cut down on barrel distortion though.

I wouldn't say normal.... They probably trimmed just enough to eliminate the most obvious distortion as the previous wide angle cameras have been superwide

 

[L0n3N1nja]

I reread this and need to make a few things clear since I have above average camera understanding.

The speed at which a camera focuses will allow you to take an image faster, but it doesn't effect the motion blur in the image.

Kids and pets in low light are blurry because the camera needs a long shutter speed to get enough light to expose the image, any motion the camera sees while the shutter is open becomes blur. In good light the camera shutter is much faster and won't produce a blurry image.

The 16mp vs 12mp thing is something most don't understand either. Smart phone cameras have very small sensor sizes, and they are limited in MP count because of it. When you increase MP you create smaller pixels on the sensor, smaller pixels don't absorb light as well. Reduce the MP count and get larger pixels that absorb more light. This is why cell phones dropped in MP count last year, because they wanted better low light performance.

LG usually has a slightly smaller sensor than Samsung, it's why the S7/S8 handle low light better than the G5/V20/G6.

The 1.6 aperture will help the V30, but increasing the MP count to 16mp could negate the benefits it brings in low light because the pixels will be smaller unless the sensor itself is larger to compensate for the pixel increase.

We don't have all the details yet, but rumors suggest it will be no better in low light, because although higher MP it will be just as grainy and noisy in low light with as much motion blur. It would gain the ability to crop more with detail in good light when it properly exposes the image.

Just trying to throw some useful information out while basically concluding we won't know until all details are released about the camera sensors.

 

[Mike Dee]

I reread this and need to make a few things clear since I have above average camera understanding.

The speed at which a camera focuses will allow you to take an image faster, but it doesn't effect the motion blur in the image.

Kids and pets in low light are blurry because the camera needs a long shutter speed to get enough light to expose the image, any motion the camera sees while the shutter is open becomes blur. In good light the camera shutter is much faster and won't produce a blurry image.

The 16mp vs 12mp thing is something most don't understand either. Smart phone cameras have very small sensor sizes, and they are limited in MP count because of it. When you increase MP you create smaller pixels on the sensor, smaller pixels don't absorb light as well. Reduce the MP count and get larger pixels that absorb more light. This is why cell phones dropped in MP count last year, because they wanted better low light performance.

LG usually has a slightly smaller sensor than Samsung, it's why the S7/S8 handle low light better than the G5/V20/G6.

The 1.6 aperture will help the V30, but increasing the MP count to 16mp could negate the benefits it brings in low light because the pixels will be smaller unless the sensor itself is larger to compensate for the pixel increase.

We don't have all the details yet, but rumors suggest it will be no better in low light, because although higher MP it will be just as grainy and noisy in low light with as much motion blur. It would gain the ability to crop more with detail in good light when it properly exposes the image.

Just trying to throw some useful information out while basically concluding we won't know until all details are released about the camera sensors.

Keep in mind that the V20 is already 16 megapixel so improving the aperture would be improvement assuming it is the same sensor.

Honestly I don't rely on my cellphone for quality photos so what I already get from LG is satisfactory. I'm more concerned with the Camera features.

 

[Ryano89]

I reread this and need to make a few things clear since I have above average camera understanding.

The speed at which a camera focuses will allow you to take an image faster, but it doesn't effect the motion blur in the image.

Kids and pets in low light are blurry because the camera needs a long shutter speed to get enough light to expose the image, any motion the camera sees while the shutter is open becomes blur. In good light the camera shutter is much faster and won't produce a blurry image.

The 16mp vs 12mp thing is something most don't understand either. Smart phone cameras have very small sensor sizes, and they are limited in MP count because of it. When you increase MP you create smaller pixels on the sensor, smaller pixels don't absorb light as well. Reduce the MP count and get larger pixels that absorb more light. This is why cell phones dropped in MP count last year, because they wanted better low light performance.

LG usually has a slightly smaller sensor than Samsung, it's why the S7/S8 handle low light better than the G5/V20/G6.

The 1.6 aperture will help the V30, but increasing the MP count to 16mp could negate the benefits it brings in low light because the pixels will be smaller unless the sensor itself is larger to compensate for the pixel increase.

We don't have all the details yet, but rumors suggest it will be no better in low light, because although higher MP it will be just as grainy and noisy in low light with as much motion blur. It would gain the ability to crop more with detail in good light when it properly exposes the image.

Just trying to throw some useful information out while basically concluding we won't know until all details are released about the camera sensors.

Great explanation. Thank you!