Sean OGorman
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Virgin Mobile bids farewell to unlimited too.
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sounds pretty legal and binding to me,if it is in clear writing,and any kind of lawsuit the judge would laugh,face it it i going to happen and their is nothing anyone can due, except go to another provider.or stay and live with the restrictions.
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Seems to me like they were quite smart. They got a lot of new customers, and then found that some of those customers were using a lot more of their resources (data transfer/bandwidth) than they had expected. They're changing the rules so that they can continue to make a profit on the service. That's business.
I don't know why you think Boost Mobile will be any different. Virgin Mobile is a Sprint company. Boost Mobile is a Sprint company. Every other major carrier has either limited or tiered data now. There's no reason for Sprint to continue to offer completely unlimited data from any of it's pre-paid companies. That's business. There's some incentive to keep it on the major post-paid Sprint brand as a stick against AT&T and Verizon, but even then they'll drop it if it makes sense to them.
Just because they haven't announced throttling on Boost Mobile yet doesn't mean that it's not on the horizon.
Grandfathering the VM $25 plan was a good public relations move. Allowing that $25 plan to keep the current unrestricted 'umlimited' data doesn't make any business sense at all. If it only effects 3% of their customers, and those customers are seen as the 'problem' customers anyway, then there's absolutely no reason to attempt to keep them happy.
From my recent personal experience looking at both the pre-paid and post paid plans that are available, the $25 deal was and still is an incredible deal even with the 2.5GB throttling. As far as I can see, it's still a great deal at $35 compared to the competition.
mmarz Ive seen you post you would goto boost several times. Even if you left VM to goto Boost your still putting the money in the same pocket that raised the price of VM's plans. Your not hurting anybody or sticking it to anybody. If they see people flocking to Boost you will bet the price will go up and restrictions will be put in place. Right now the Samsung Prevail and Moto i1 are the only android phones they have. Ive heard about "activating" other phones on the network but they still have to be a sprint phone.
As have been said a couple times the data is going to be shut off at 2.5gb. Its going to be slowed down. And I truly dont think it will affect as many people as we are predicting. If your consistanly using 7 or more gigs of BW a month Im sure they will turn the switch on for you. But if one month you use 2.6gb your not even going to notice.
I cant help but laugh at teh people posting "hey what the F man I am paying for unlimited I want my Fing unlimited". But if they were on a post paid plan they would be paying for tiered data with every carrier except Sprint right now. And paying a lot more then what we pay. Until we can get the type of lawmakers in that demand the options like they have in the UK we are kinda screwed.
One other thing that I think most people are missing here...Virgin has said that "unlimited doesn't mean unreasonable" data usage. If this were to get to a lawsuit stage, they'd say that they've given a definition that most people can go by...that over 2.5GB a month is "unreasonable", and that they are taking steps to protect *their* network from those users. Plus they'll argue that they aren't *stopping* you, or even charging you more for being "unreasonable", just slowing you down to the next month. They'll win, and the losers will get to split their lawyers costs...
Oh, and as a further note...Boost has the same "Unlimited usage does not mean unreasonable usage", and reserves the right to boot you off their network for any reason they want as long as it is to protect their network.
Eventually, I bet Sprint will rationalize and merge Virgin and Boost, at least on the back end.
Oh, and as a further note...Boost has the same "Unlimited usage does not mean unreasonable usage", and reserves the right to boot you off their network for any reason they want as long as it is to protect their network.
Eventually, I bet Sprint will rationalize and merge Virgin and Boost, at least on the back end.
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I'm not saying F the man. I'm saying that it makes more financial sense to go with Boost than VM once the throttling and price hikes take effect. The only reason I got the $25 plan was to use as much data as I can. If I'm limited to certain speeds with VM and I pay the same price, then I'll go with Boost. I still think it is guaranteed that we will be grandfathered in with unlimited data. There is zero chance that they will try to throttle current customers.
If you don't believe me that a contract's fine print is irrelevant when there is misleading advertising, checkout DIRECTV Class ActionAmy Imburgia, et al. v. DIRECTV, Inc. - Home . Directv's fine print said they could collect ETF's directly from bank accounts w/o consent, but it doesn't make it legal. To boot, most thought they were under a one year contract and not a two year contract because their ads would say "Pay only $xx for one year", and then in the fine print say "But your ass is ours for two years. Enjoy the second year paying full price."
If you don't believe me that a contract's fine print is irrelevant when there is misleading advertising, checkout DIRECTV Class ActionAmy Imburgia, et al. v. DIRECTV, Inc. - Home . Directv's fine print said they could collect ETF's directly from bank accounts w/o consent, but it doesn't make it legal. To boot, most thought they were under a one year contract and not a two year contract because their ads would say "Pay only $xx for one year", and then in the fine print say "But your ass is ours for two years. Enjoy the second year paying full price."
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Hire a lawyer...
IF you can find one sleazy enough to take the case, check what their hourly rate is.
Even if you win, you will lose.
It's money better spent paying your $10 per month increase.
IF you can find one sleazy enough to take the case, check what their hourly rate is.
Even if you win, you will lose.
It's money better spent paying your $10 per month increase.
Sweet. If I am the class representative, I'll probably score $5-10k while the lawyers get millions, and you guys get a one time $20 Top-Up card. If we don't get grandfathered in, I'm all over this.
This is a shame, the day the new phones comes out the new plans come out too. I wanted to upgrade my Opt V to Triumph and give my dad my Optimus V but one of us have to pay for the new price plan. 2.5Gb? It's okay i guess i would have prefer 5GB limit but hey you can't beat those prices.
You're being an informed consumer and looking at your options ... that's good. If the new rates and plan changes don't fit your needs, then you're free to move.
You've been extremely helpful here, you have my personal thanks, and it would be a pity if you weren't here to help, but at the end of the day you've got to look out for your own interests.
However none of that means anything to contract law. You have a contract with VM that says they'll give you a month of a particular service for a certain price. That's all. You can stop paying at any time and there is nothing that they can do except cancel your service. They can change the terms of that service at the start of any month, and there's nothing that you can do except leave or accept the new terms.
Contract law is complex, and lawyers do sometimes put things in there there aren't enforcable when they're challenged in court. DirectTV over reached and got slapped down for some nasty business practices.
VM on the other hand aren't even being slightly sneaky. They're just exercising their right to change the terms of the service.
Your right you are not saying F the man. The last part of my post was directed at the people pitching a ***** and speaking like I posted. You have been pretty rational in your posts.
Here is the thing tho, even tho your not saying F the man you are saying F VM and then paying their business partner for the same type of service. Its like refusing to pay on cashier at Wal-Mart because you dont like them and walking to the one right next to them. You know as well as most here Virgin Mobile and Boost are owned by Sprint. So dropping Virgin to goto Boost doesnt make a point except you are "butthurt" because you dont have unlimited data on your phone now.
I have to ask this, is it really worth the hassle to convert a phone to Boost, pay the increased price for eighteen months before you get the discounted to VM price just for unlimited data? With Boost getting the Samsung Galaxy phone Im sure they will get a increase in customers. If Sprint sees a influx of people going to Boost Im sure they will end up doing the same thing and limiting speeds at a certain cap. The price will surely go up and the people that jumped ship will be *****ing yet again.
mmarz it was stated you have helped the community a great deal. That cant be disputed, and IF you jump ship to Boost your contributions will be missed. You have to look out for number one and if anybody faults you for that then they are the *******. Remember tho the grass is always greener in the field across from you.
Haha, don't worry. I have 15 or so Optimus S and V phones. I'll be around these forums no matter what carrier I have.
There's a VM FAQ at ...
http://virginmobileusa.marketwire.com/easyir/ceom.do?easyirid=F4ABAEBA3A27ECD9&pagesec=vm_price
It explains that existing customers will keep grandfathered rates and can keep them even if they upgrade their phones.
The throttling applies to all Beyond Talk customers, with no specific mention of existing customers being given an exemption.
One guy on howard forums claimed that @VMUCare on twitter specifically stated that the throttling will apply to existing customers, but I couldn't find that message in a quick search on twitter.
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Well good I expected them to let us keep the old rate but I figured that that data would be the no go. I'm wonder if they know that the triumph is not bootlocked and are putting this in place for the work around that they know the devs will come up with. Man I hope I'm right but knowing Moto's track record it won't be.
Just buy a cheap phone that will work with Beyond Talk (I just picked up a Samsung Restore for $30) and activate that on your dad's line. As long as the account with correct phone number (if you're porting) are open on or before the 19th then your grandfathered. Then buy your Triumph at any point in the future activate it on your line then activate the OV on your dad's line. Win Win.
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