what legitimate defense does HTC have for putting MicroSD card slot in the One for just one country?

[palitsyn]

You brought up cloud storage. The data has to get to the cloud first. I know people who have taken every cd they have ever bought and ripped them through itunes. Imagine a person with a 10K song collection who wants to have access to their music anywhere. If you are thinking big picture then you have to realize our internet speeds aren't that great for the cloud. Your bandwidth is limited. Even at the best Fios has a 35mbps up speed. Even if your cloud storage supported that upload speed (doubtful) a large collection would still take days. There is countless people who have terabytes of data, whether it be music, photos, home movies, etc.

Now using the cloud argument, now that I don't have a sd slot so I need to spend this time uploading my music collection first.

Let's use 64 gigabytes of music for example. The average upload speed in the United states is 1mbps. So if you were running max upload it will take around 176 hours to get that data to the cloud. That is if you were running the max at perfect conditions. Realistically if you do another things on the internet while uploading, you will slow down the process. If you are part of a household your internet will be tied up by everybody accessing it and you may have to only upload at night when people are sleeping so do not complain about how slow the internet is.

Until we get faster speeds, cloud usage isn't that great for data consumption for some of the reasons why people would use a sd card for in the first place.

I am sorry, but not once have I met a person who would need 64Gbs of music at all times. This is a bit of a ridiculous demand. But lets say you for some reason must have access to ALL of this music at all times, why do you keep saying that you would be uploading the whole of 64Gbs over a mobile network? Would it not make more sense to upload it from home, work or from wherever you spent DAYS ripping 64Gbs worth of your CDs?

OK, I see you did mention being part of a household, but, realistically, I don't think you will be uploading huge chunks of data THAT often, so your referencing internet sharing etc. makes no sense. Fine, do it at night. It's not like you are going to upload one file at a time. Put it in a queue and go to sleep. Do it for a couple of nights. You just ripped 64Gbs of music. How long would that take? If you survived with all of your music being on CDs until now, surely you can take a few more days.

I realise people have terabytes of data and so do I, but you don't need all of the data with you at all times. You only need a fraction of that. I don't need every single picture I own to be on my mobile. I'll probably want pictures from my latest trip, as those are the ones I am likely to show/view, but they will too be archived in the future probably after my next trip. And the albums I would keep on my phone would have first been sorted on my laptop cause I don't want to browse through crappy pictures or multiple takes etc. Basically, you carry your favourite things at the time and not everything you own

Are you telling me, that 10 years ago you would have carried all of your CDs, DVDs, laptop/desktop, external HDs, photo albums etc. with you at all times?

What I am saying about the cloud storage isn't my imagination. It's happening.

 

[osubeavs728]

I would like to know when you would realistically use 64gb of music at any given point and time.

 

[anon(21022)]

Converesly, thank you Patrixl for your intelligent answer and contribution to the discussion. Exactly what I was looking for. Much appreciated. I knew someone here would know something about Japan.

Cheers, doesn't quite answer all the questions, but at least it's some info But I live here so might as well help out a bit

FWIW, just as some additional info concerning how much control freaks the carriers are, NTT Docomo, the largest carrier here, flat-out refuses to carry the iPhone, even though they've reportedly been negotiating with Apple for a few years - Apple flat-out refuses to carry Docomo's bloatware, and Docomo refuses to NOT put bloatware on phones. They're both deadlocked, refusing to budge lol.

Also, Fujitsu (and Sony?) are also making phones without removable batteries and MicroSD cards. Fujitsu promises 2 days of battery life on their new Arrows A and Arrows NX phones though, which if true might help justify the non-removable battery. I buy Fujitsu phones because they're waterproof, have excellent cameras (no ultrapixels though), fingerprint readers, and decent performance. UI leaves a bit to be desired however... So I'm torn for my next phone as to what I'll get Digressing now...

 

[Farish]

I am sorry, but not once have I met a person who would need 64Gbs of music at all times. This is a bit of a ridiculous demand. But lets say you for some reason must have access to ALL of this music at all times, why do you keep saying that you would be uploading the whole of 64Gbs over a mobile network? Would it not make more sense to upload it from home, work or from wherever you spent DAYS ripping 64Gbs worth of your CDs?

OK, I see you did mention being part of a household, but, realistically, I don't think you will be uploading huge chunks of data THAT often, so your referencing internet sharing etc. makes no sense. Fine, do it at night. It's not like you are going to upload one file at a time. Put it in a queue and go to sleep. Do it for a couple of nights. You just ripped 64Gbs of music. How long would that take? If you survived with all of your music being on CDs until now, surely you can take a few more days.

Why do people buy 32/64gb sd cards? Is it because they need the space and they feel that they need a certain size to meet their needs? You are basically stated with Cloud storage there is no need for a SD card.

My point is

Large amounts of data takes time to get to the cloud but not as much on a SD Card.
SD Card is a faster and more convenient solution that does not have to worry about a person's data plan.
SD Card allows me to store files without worrying about having a cellphone signal or nearby wifi connection to access them.
If I want to access music, pictures, or files in the cloud, it could have an impact on my data plan.

Until everybody has unlimited data and faster internet connections, the Cloud is ok but limited.

Are you telling me, that 10 years ago you would have carried all of your CDs, DVDs, laptop/desktop, external HDs, photo albums etc. with you at all times?

What I am saying about the cloud storage isn't my imagination. It's happening.

I would say until about 2005, I had dealt with many people who carried 64-256 binders filled with their music cds. People want access to their music because they never know what they will be in the mood to listen too.

 

[palitsyn]

Why do people buy 32/64gb sd cards? Is it because they need the space and they feel that they need a certain size to meet their needs? You are basically stated with Cloud storage there is no need for a SD card.

My point is

Large amounts of data takes time to get to the cloud but not as much on a SD Card.
SD Card is a faster and more convenient solution that does not have to worry about a person's data plan.
SD Card allows me to store files without worrying about having a cellphone signal or nearby wifi connection to access them.
If I want to access music, pictures, or files in the cloud, it could have an impact on my data plan.

Until everybody has unlimited data and faster internet connections, the Cloud is ok but limited.

I don't see any reason for further discussion. You obviously need a different phone (or a data centre of your own).

AND

I would say until about 2005, I had dealt with many people who carried 64-256 binders filled with their music cds. People want access to their music because they never know what they will be in the mood to listen too.

Really? That is so weird. Made me feel good about myself

 

[anon5664829]

Pretty sure you can't use a Verizon iPhone 5 on AT&T's LTE.

There are three iPhone 5 models (bands) in the US.

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You can AFAIK the Verizon iPhone 5 actually has GSM bands AND CDMA bands, so it can be used internationally.
It could also be used on AT&T and Tmobile but I dont know how the US carriers lock there phones(we can finish paying for a 2 year plan at once and switch to another GSM carrier)

 

[qnet]

Wow, this discussion is interesting. I agree with some of what you guys are saying, while at the same time I don't agree with some of it.

I've also had problems with SD cards in the past. I've rooted and installed custom roms on several phones, and while having an ExSD card is nice, it can be a pain also. I've had cards corupt and have had to refromat them several times, especially on the Galaxy S3.

All I want is more internal storage, I would actually prefer it that way. Like I mentioned before, I don't think it's right to tell other people what they need unless you know them personally, and sometime it's still not right IMHO. Your needs will be different from them and that's cool, we're all different.

I use some clouds services and like it, but I don't use it for everything. I have almost all my music uploaded to Google music and it's ok most of the time, but not always. Most of the places I like to listen to music it works. Having said that, I think I'm a borderline audiophile. I like my music to sound nice and it doesn't sound as good streaminng from Google vs. having it on my phone, and playing it through the Poweramp app. Beats audio does help on the HTC one.

It's just nice to have the extra storage. I never use all of it but it's nice to have. Maybe I'm just old school but I don't totally trust the cloud for everything.

That's what I like about Apple. They have never had a ExSD but now they give you all the storage you want. I have a 128GB Ipad and had a 64GB Iphone 5. They also offer thier cloud service if you choose to use it. This way most customers are satisfied. Anyway, I know everyone will not agree and that's cool.

 

[akk60]

Clearly you don't understand how the industry works. Verizon didn't want the One as is and may or may not release their own version as a Droid. AT&T demanded the 64GB version as an exclusive. Carriers around the world hold all the cards. Only Apple and Samsung can tell them what to do. HTC lost that ability long ago. They designed the One NOT to have an microsd card and the Chinese carrier said change it; China is too big a market for HTC to blow off and so they changed it. HTC did not want to go in that direction for the rest of the world, and rightfully so. Microsd cards are to 2013 what floppy disks are to... 2013.

I think it's funny how even Google, with their Nexus devices, is steering away from memory expansion and yet the 15 year-old's of the world still demand it. Fortunately, intelligent adults know how to get by without it. I laugh every time I hear someone say they have to have 64-128 GBs on their phone. No. You don't. You are not going on the first manned mission to Mars. You will never find yourself stranded in the Sahara. Riding the bus to school does not require 50 HD movies and 10k songs. Get over yourself. And if it's a dealbreaker, bye-bye. You can be replaced. A great quality phone like the HTC One cannot. Here endeth the lesson.

Greatest reply. Ever! Hahahahaha

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[GadgetGator]

I would like to know when you would realistically use 64gb of music at any given point and time.

1. Travel to foreign countries where you might not have a data plan and not always near wifi and the cloud.
2. Long camping trip without Internet access. Never know what the kids/friends/spouse might be in the mood to listen to
3. Recovering in the hospital. It's nice to have access to more then a fraction of your collection when you're laid up.

Does that mean you are going to listen to every single song? No. But you never know what you might want access to at any given point. Asking why someone needs access to 64gb of their collection is like someone asking why you need another CD/DVD/Blu-ray/game/book or whatever when you already have some, or why you need to go see another movie when you've already been to the theatre. I can't even predict what I am going to want to listen to several weeks from now on a camping trip much less what anyone else might want to hear. Before I brought along multiple bulky CD albums full of CDs. (TOTAL PITA) Before that it was many tapes. Now it's 64 gb of storage.

 

[Ry]

You can AFAIK the Verizon iPhone 5 actually has GSM bands AND CDMA bands, so it can be used internationally.
It could also be used on AT&T and Tmobile but I dont know how the US carriers lock there phones(we can finish paying for a 2 year plan at once and switch to another GSM carrier)

I was referring specifically to LTE.

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[Ry]

Any legitimate answer given by anyone on this forum will likely be immediately dismissed by you but here goes:

....

Reposting because it seems relevant to the last few posts.

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[sparkly flea]

1. Travel to foreign countries where you might not have a data plan and not always near wifi and the cloud.
2. Long camping trip without Internet access. Never know what the kids/friends/spouse might be in the mood to listen to
3. Recovering in the hospital. It's nice to have access to more then a fraction of your collection when you're laid up.

Does that mean you are going to listen to every single song? No. But you never know what you might want access to at any given point. Asking why someone needs access to 64gb of their collection is like someone asking why you need another CD/DVD/Blu-ray/game/book or whatever when you already have some, or why you need to go see another movie when you've already been to the theatre. I can't even predict what I am going to want to listen to several weeks from now on a camping trip much less what anyone else might want to hear. Before I brought along multiple bulky CD albums full of CDs. (TOTAL PITA) Before that it was many tapes. Now it's 64 gb of storage.

So you're suggesting your phone is a primary music device? Nice supplemental option but if you're that into music why not pack a greater capacity iPod or like device? You're asking a bit much for a phone.

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[Aquila]

1. Travel to foreign countries where you might not have a data plan and not always near wifi and the cloud.
2. Long camping trip without Internet access. Never know what the kids/friends/spouse might be in the mood to listen to
3. Recovering in the hospital. It's nice to have access to more then a fraction of your collection when you're laid up.

At least on one and two, couldn't you just pin the collection to your device prior to setting out?

 

[palitsyn]

1. Travel to foreign countries where you might not have a data plan and not always near wifi and the cloud.
2. Long camping trip without Internet access. Never know what the kids/friends/spouse might be in the mood to listen to
3. Recovering in the hospital. It's nice to have access to more then a fraction of your collection when you're laid up.

Does that mean you are going to listen to every single song? No. But you never know what you might want access to at any given point. Asking why someone needs access to 64gb of their collection is like someone asking why you need another CD/DVD/Blu-ray/game/book or whatever when you already have some, or why you need to go see another movie when you've already been to the theatre. I can't even predict what I am going to want to listen to several weeks from now on a camping trip much less what anyone else might want to hear. Before I brought along multiple bulky CD albums full of CDs. (TOTAL PITA) Before that it was many tapes. Now it's 64 gb of storage.

BUT

1. ... and you have an urge to look through terabytes of archived data? Lets say you go to a uni, study chemistry, but years later end up working in investment banking. Your chemistry knowledge will begin to fade over the years (getting buried deeper in your archive). Then, you have an opportunity (having made millions and all ) to pursue your teenage dream of working in a pharmaceutical company and you need to refresh your memory. You go home and get your books out. You wouldn't have been carrying all these books with you all this time, because this information wasn't of value to you at a time. You prioritise your data and keep what you are likely to need on your phone and the rest wherever.
2. ... I think 64Gb (lets say 30 for music) is more than enough to have enough choice for everyone... for a long time. Sure you won't be able to meet every single request, but this is probably when you call and ask for a song on a radio.
3. ... I would bring a laptop to a hospital tbh. If I am there for more than a day, I'll probably want to watch a movie or two and it's not going to be on a phone. And still, the argument above applies to your music needs.


Ahhh, if only there were enough space on these stupid overhyped phones to download the entire internet...

 

[mrbootcrm]

Ahhh, if only there were enough space on these stupid overhyped phones to download the entire internet...

You could probably put a decent representation of the Internet on the phone though. 31 gigs of porn, 999 megs of random YouTube videos, and a couple animated gifs?

 

[mcantu]

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[GadgetGator]

So you're suggesting your phone is a primary music device? Nice supplemental option but if you're that into music why not pack a greater capacity iPod or like device? You're asking a bit much for a phone.

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For the same reason I don't carry a seperate camera...because I don't want to carry more then one device everywhere I go. I also like turn by turn directions to come through car speakers while fading music out. Why is asking for 64gb too much for a phone? I'm not asking for a terabyte. Hell I'm not even asking for 128gb. Just a reasonable amount that can hold enough music...by my standards...as well as some apps. At this moment in time, that shouldn't be too much to ask from any manufacture. It's not 2007 anymore.

At least on one and two, couldn't you just pin the collection to your device prior to setting out?

And do what? Wipe out all the apps and music that are on there now to make room? The goal is to keep life simple, not manage multiple devices or constantly swap things around which is a complete waste of time. And again, the goal is to have access to a wide assortment of music at all times. Not just sometimes. Those were just merely three examples I gave.

BUT
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1. ... and you have an urge to look through terabytes of archived data? Lets say you go to a uni, study chemistry, but years later end up working in investment banking. Your chemistry knowledge will begin to fade over the years (getting buried deeper in your archive). Then, you have an opportunity (having made millions and all ) to pursue your teenage dream of working in a pharmaceutical company and you need to refresh your memory. You go home and get your books out. You wouldn't have been carrying all these books with you all this time, because this information wasn't of value to you at a time. You prioritise your data and keep what you are likely to need on your phone and the rest wherever.
2. ... I think 64Gb (lets say 30 for music) is more than enough to have enough choice for everyone... for a long time. Sure you won't be able to meet every single request, but this is probably when you call and ask for a song on a radio.
3. ... I would bring a laptop to a hospital tbh. If I am there for more than a day, I'll probably want to watch a movie or two and it's not going to be on a phone. And still, the argument above applies to your music needs.

Your example 1 isn't even relevant. Point 2, I agree. As I have said since the beginning of this thread if you read it, 64 is enough for me, although once you get apps and OS on phone there is a lot less then that to work with. 3. I don't own a laptop.

 

[Farish]

So you're suggesting your phone is a primary music device? Nice supplemental option but if you're that into music why not pack a greater capacity iPod or like device? You're asking a bit much for a phone.

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You know that when the Apple iPhone was release it was marketed as a computer, ipod, and phone as an all in one. It is the expected standard now. People don't want to carry around multiple devices to do different options when one can handle all the same. As the iPhone/Smartphone sales have increased, MP3 players have decrease.

It is the same reason why handheld video game devices sales are slumping.

 

[Ry]

You know that when the Apple iPhone was release it was marketed as a computer, ipod, and phone as an all in one. It is the expected standard now. People don't want to carry around multiple devices to do different options when one can handle all the same. As the iPhone/Smartphone sales have increased, MP3 players have decrease.

It is the same reason why handheld video game devices sales are slumping.

It also only originally came in 4GB and 8 GB sizes.

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[Farish]

It also only originally came in 4GB and 8 GB sizes.

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True but times have changed.

Digital music sales have skyrocketed while physical has been on double digit decline. In a couple years it is expected that all digital formats will over take physical.

Except for Vinyl which is having a comeback.

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