Why can't we get top specs in a normal Size???

[Ry]

It has a lesser camera front and back, lesser resolution, and no hdmi out like its big brother.....

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The rear cameras are supposed to be the same 8 mp cameras for the RAZR M and RAZR HD. The front shooters are VGA vs. 1.3 mp.

Again, lesser resolution doesn't really matter if the physical screen size is smaller.

 

[RicanMedic78]

No one can say market research says that people only want big phones. And anyway, Its not like their market research is always right! If it was, then no one would ever invent anything or create a new nitch product. My point from this thread is that something obvious is missing here. And it seems like Apple is the only one capitolizing on it! If a galaxy s sold very well 2 years ago, and they never tried top specs in that size again, u can't talk about market research, especially when u see how many millions gravitate to 4in iphones! That alone tells u that people devices u can hold more practically.

Its common sense just to say that high end in a small size without reducing specs and quality is really missing from the Android portfolio. That's all that's being said here...

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[YourMobileGuru]

Simple Question: Why is it do hard to fathom a top spec'd device in a 4in to 4.3in screen size??? iphone success doesn't give phone makers a clue???

Motorola "ALMOST" got it right with the new razr maxx HD, right up until I heard that it's going to have a 4.7in FML device!!! Anyone agree???

The simple answer is that because larger screens (4.3" and larger) are the new normal.

One of the top specs that people want are higher rez screens and I suspect that's easier to do on a larger screen. Apple managed it with their retina displays but as a result had to limit themselves to one or two manufacturers (Samsung and later LG) capable of making them.

Small screen devices are now a niche just as the larger ones were a year or so ago, and that is not likely to change anytime soon. I thought the GNex was huge a year ago but now dont think twice about that or the HTC One X. People said the Note was too huge and would not sell and guess what .., they were wrong it sells lots.

And as for the small hands excise... well the LG Vu (original name of the Intuition) is selling a boatload over in Asia and most of them (especially the ladies) have tiny hands.

If you have an open mind you will get used to the larger screen and learn to like it the was the rest of us do. If not, continue to buy mid level phones and be happy with them.

 

[YourMobileGuru]

No one can say market research says that people only want big phones. And anyway, Its not like their market research is always right! If it was, then no one would ever invent anything or create a new nitch product. My point from this thread is that something obvious is missing here. And it seems like Apple is the only one capitolizing on it! If a galaxy s sold very well 2 years ago, and they never tried top specs in that size again, u can't talk about market research, especially when u see how many millions gravitate to 4in iphones! That alone tells u that people devices u can hold more practically.

Its common sense just to say that high end in a small size without reducing specs and quality is really missing from the Android portfolio. That's all that's being said here...

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First of all there is no way you could possibly know if there are any studies supporting or rejecting the larger screen size as very few if these studies are actually made public, and second they dont need any studies. This is simple economics. Make something and people buy lots of them, then you make more products like them. Apple, for example, does not do product research at all (at least under Steve Jobs).

 

[Ry]

Apple, for example, does not do product research at all (at least under Steve Jobs).

lol. I hope you don't honestly believe that.

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[YourMobileGuru]

I never would have prior to reading the Steve Jobs book but he was an extremely arrogant individual who believed strongly that "the public does not know what they want until we tell them" and that was a hinderance in getting financial backing for the original apple computer as well as other projects over the years . Weather Tim cook has continued the practice in more recent years who knows.

 

[RicanMedic78]

So apple doesn't do market research! lol

Wow... Anyway, I'm not an apple fanboy or a fanboy of any particular line. I am a fan however of practicality. And what i am saying is not that big phones don't sell... What i am saying is that i believe that smaller phones with the same specs WILL sell! And right now, that segment is anyone's game... But the manufacturers need to put their weight into it, sort of line moto did with the edge to edge screen concept. Only problem with moto is that its still considered the cheaper alternative to the hd and hd maxx.

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[YourMobileGuru]

There was a time when I would have agreed with you abut that but the last year or so of selling phones has shown me otherwise. Small screened phones like the Droid Incredible HD and the DInc2 sit in the case unsold for months while the Razr, Galaxy S series, Infuse, and others fly off the shelves. IPhone is the only tiny screened phone that sells in any quantities and even then I have seen people shocked at how small the phone is and even change their minds at the last minute or exchange it for smething bigger screen.

Sorry man you're now a niche just as I am for wanting a phone with a physical keyboard.

 

[YourMobileGuru]

There was a time when I would have agreed with you abut that but the last year or so of selling phones has shown me otherwise. Small screened phones like the Droid Incredible HD and the DInc2 sit in the case unsold for months while the Razr, Galaxy S series, Infuse, and others fly off the shelves. IPhone is the only tiny screened phone that sells in any quantities and even then I have seen people shocked at how small the phone is and even change their minds at the last minute or exchange it for smething bigger screen.

Sorry man you're now a niche just as I am for wanting a phone with a physical keyboard.

 

[NoYankees44]

I think the first manufacturer to make 4.3ish full 720p screen with top tier hardware, $200 price tag, little to NO bezel will tap into a huge market and make a lot of money. These phones are getting comically big. There is obvious a market for them, but the in between market is getting ignored. Part of this is because the chips and batteries have been larger recently, but as the tech gets smaller that can change and should.

As far as the Rezound vs inc4g, the Rezound is an overall better devise, but the Inc is obviously newer. It has the s4 and better for factor.

The Rezound however still has the highest ppi of any screen on the market and looks absolutely amazing. Also it has a large and proven dev base.

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[RicanMedic78]

You can't necessarily call the dinc2 or the inc4g a top spec'd device at 4in to be able to say whether a flagship would be successful at that size today. The closest u can probably get is the razr M at 4.3in but with a small housing that feels like 4in. But lets face it, we are spec junkies! As soon as we hear about a downgraded camera or other feature, we look elsewhere. So "technicality" we have never truly tested the idea of having a flagship device in a smaller size in the Android market. Motorola lost a golden opportunity when they launched the M. It looks amazing, but it needed to be the current upcoming razr hd and hd maxx, and not marketed as the cheaper alternative! Big mistake!

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[RicanMedic78]

Actually, the razr maxx hd should have just had a 4.3in edge to edge screen with the shape and all the top specs as it has now. It should of been launched on its own as the sole razr device! I promise u that after a year, motorola would of been the most popular and the most direct competition to Apple, especially since now they are valued even more because Google aquired it. Next Nexus device??? Lost opportunity right there... Of course this is only my opinion...

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[bp3dots]

Actually, the razr maxx hd should have just had a 4.3in edge to edge screen with the shape and all the top specs as it has now. It should of been launched on its own as the sole razr device! I promise u that after a year, motorola would of been the most popular and the most direct competition to Apple, especially since now they are valued even more because Google aquired it. Next Nexus device??? Lost opportunity right there... Of course this is only my opinion...

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Not likely. When Other flagship phones are at 4.7 and 5+., that's what most people looking for a premium android device will be considering. Especially for high media consumption. These aren't iPhone customers who don't have any option but 4" if they want to stay on their OS of choice. They're already likely to be crushed by GS3 sales vs the RAZR's, why put out something that doesn't stack up?

Moto gave people who want a smaller device a competitive phone. Most average consumers wont see much difference, excepting the battery life. It's important to remember that the vast majority of Android users couldn't care less about most of the specs we talk about here on AC. They want a device that works and does the basics well. Android OEM's understamd that, and produce a variety of devices, priced to reach as many parts of the market as they can. But it's not realistic to expect them to devote development time and money to trying to find every single niche market. The cost will never be justified.

 

[iN8ter]

There was a time when I would have agreed with you abut that but the last year or so of selling phones has shown me otherwise. Small screened phones like the Droid Incredible HD and the DInc2 sit in the case unsold for months while the Razr, Galaxy S series, Infuse, and others fly off the shelves. IPhone is the only tiny screened phone that sells in any quantities and even then I have seen people shocked at how small the phone is and even change their minds at the last minute or exchange it for smething bigger screen.

Sorry man you're now a niche just as I am for wanting a phone with a physical keyboard.

The Rezound was the last high end smartphone with < 4.5" screen which was actually spec comparable (or spec superior) to competing phones with larger screens.

The Infuse is not flying off any shelves.

And the Incredible Series are not spec equivalent (outside of screen size) to the One Series so you're not really proving anything there. Processor speed, Storage, Screen Resolution they're all inferior to a One X. Same goes for the One S so there's really no reason to get those devices unless you don't want a GS3 or you're really trying to save cash (on a subsidy, you're better off waiting and saving up for the better phone if necessary).

The OEMs know there are people that want smaller devices. Otherwise they wouldn't release those devices. What the issue some of us have is why should we be making these type of compromises just because we want a smaller device. I'll take a device that's a few mm thicker but has a smaller screen if it's spec-equivalent to the larger offerings. 4.3" is my limit in the future. Anything bigger is a showstopper.

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Not likely. When Other flagship phones are at 4.7 and 5+., that's what most people looking for a premium android device will be considering. Especially for high media consumption. These aren't iPhone customers who don't have any option but 4" if they want to stay on their OS of choice. They're already likely to be crushed by GS3 sales vs the RAZR's, why put out something that doesn't stack up?

Moto gave people who want a smaller device a competitive phone. Most average consumers wont see much difference, excepting the battery life. It's important to remember that the vast majority of Android users couldn't care less about most of the specs we talk about here on AC. They want a device that works and does the basics well. Android OEM's understamd that, and produce a variety of devices, priced to reach as many parts of the market as they can. But it's not realistic to expect them to devote development time and money to trying to find every single niche market. The cost will never be justified.

The Razr M has a qHD 4.3 display. The Rezound has a 4.3" 720p display. There's a noticeable difference in screen resolution, and obviously HTC has shown us that it's possible to use a better screen on a phone. The M has a Pen-Tile SAMOLED screen and those screen Motorola uses are visibly pixelated. The Rezound Camera is also clearly superior to anything Motorola has ever put out (and probably would ever put out, they're so bad there) and that's part of the specs as well. The FFC on the Rezound is better. The Rezound has more Internal Storage.

The only thing better on the Razr M is perhaps the build materials and the Battery Size. Oh, and the SoC which really doesn't make that much of a difference in real world use. Otherwise the Rezound is superior.

I wouldn't call that competitive. I call that mid-range. AT&T has the Atrix HD which brings more to the table than the Razr M, IMO, and it's priced as a mid-range device.

If I had to choose between the Rezound and the Razr M all things considered, I'd take the Rezound on Verizon. On AT&T the Atrix HD actually does spec up more like a high end device even though some things are a bit lacking. I'd take it over something like a SR, ion, or Vivid - yea. But I'd still think hard cause Moto's cameras simply do not compare favorably with HTC, Sony, or Samsung cameras. That matters a lot these days.

 

[iN8ter]

I think the first manufacturer to make 4.3ish full 720p screen with top tier hardware, $200 price tag, little to NO bezel will tap into a huge market and make a lot of money. These phones are getting comically big. There is obvious a market for them, but the in between market is getting ignored. Part of this is because the chips and batteries have been larger recently, but as the tech gets smaller that can change and should.

As far as the Rezound vs inc4g, the Rezound is an overall better devise, but the Inc is obviously newer. It has the s4 and better for factor.

The Rezound however still has the highest ppi of any screen on the market and looks absolutely amazing. Also it has a large and proven dev base.

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Agree the Rezound is overall better, and at $79 on contract it's a steal. The only real spec where the Razr M is better is battery size and SoC. The Screen and Camera on the Rezound are factorably better than what's on that device, and that's enough for most people to pick the Rezound over the Razr M since that's what most people use most of the time. Real world performance difference between S3 and S4 to the average consumer isn't going to be much of a factor, if it's a factor at all to them.

However, the Rezound DID LAUNCH on Verizon at $299 on Contract, but they do have those expensive headphones in the box as well... ...

 

[YourMobileGuru]

The Rezound was the last high end smartphone with < 4.5" screen which was actually spec comparable (or spec superior) to competing phones with larger screens.

The Infuse is not flying off any shelves..

Not anymore no, but 3-4 months ago it was. We had both that and the GS2 almost every customer bought the Infuse over the GS2 when we had them in stock. I saw at least 3 customers upgrade from the CAPTIVATE to the Infise even though I explained to them that the insides of the phone were almost the same. They saw the bugger screen and wanted that.

And the Incredible Series are not spec equivalent (outside of screen size) to the One Series so you're not really proving anything there. Processor speed, Storage, Screen Resolution they're all inferior to a One X. Same goes for the One S so there's really no reason to get those devices unless you don't want a GS3 or you're really trying to save cash (on a subsidy, you're better off waiting and saving up for the better phone if necessary)..

I agree on the Incredible 2 but the new LTE version, while not quite equivalent was close enough. We've sold one so far and it was because we were out of the phone the customer really wanted.

We had of these come in early last summer and finally sold the last one in April. No one wanted them until we practically gave them away. Customers bought the Droid X2 and later the RAZR and Stratosphere instead.

The OEMs know there are people that want smaller devices. Otherwise they wouldn't release those devices. What the issue some of us have is why should we be making these type of compromises just because we want a smaller device. I'll take a device that's a few mm thicker but has a smaller screen if it's spec-equivalent to the larger offerings. 4.3" is my limit in the future. Anything bigger is a showstopper..

They do but they also know that most of the ones who want them wont pay a premium price for one and thus the $100 price point.

I get what you are trying to say and I feel for ya I really do but your views are your own, and almost anyone who actually sells phones or talks to consumers will tell you that you are in the minority. It's a bitter pill to swallow I know I had to come to the same realization about physical keyboard phones a year or so ago,

 

[bp3dots]

I wouldn't call that competitive. I call that mid-range. AT&T has the Atrix HD which brings more to the table than the Razr M, IMO, and it's priced as a mid-range device.

Yes, I meant that their smaller phones were competitive with other phones of that size, not against high end devices, as they are not meant to be.

Agree the Rezound is overall better, and at $79 on contract it's a steal. The only real spec where the Razr M is better is battery size and SoC. The Screen and Camera on the Rezound are factorably better than what's on that device, and that's enough for most people to pick the Rezound over the Razr M since that's what most people use most of the time. Real world performance difference between S3 and S4 to the average consumer isn't going to be much of a factor, if it's a factor at all to them.

However, the Rezound DID LAUNCH on Verizon at $299 on Contract, but they do have those expensive headphones in the box as well... ...

This is where the problem lies. The average consumer isn't going to spend $200 for a high end small phone when they can pay the same for a high end big phone. SOME will, but it's not a big enough amount to make it worth it for the manufacturers. That's from experience selling phones btw, not just armchair coaching. 90% of people will love the RAZR M for it's performance at that price. If you kick the specs up, (improving features that most people won't notice) the price goes up. That reduces the value to the customer. It would be awesome for everyone to be able to get their ideal device, but it's not something the manufacturers can reasonably do.

Hell, I'd like to be able to find more cars with manual transmissions, but unless I want something on the low or high end of the spectrum, It's not happening. I understand that it's because very few people in the US drive a manual, and I adjust my buying habits accordingly.

 

[RicanMedic78]

I think the iPhone success speaks for itself and that alone to me makes it worth the risk. As I said before, it hasn't been done yet, and all these ideas about smaller high spec phones not selling, have no proof to back it up. Its an untouched segment, and the first manufacturer to tap into it is risking having a huge hit on their hands. Personally, I think HTC is the company to try it first. a true top spec one x in a small edge to edge housing and at most, a 4 to 4.3in screen. I think that'll put them back on the map.

After all, Apple's done tons of research to know that enough ppl like one handed use. So whoever said apple doesn't do research is sadly mistaken. Their mission to keep a tight form factor has a lot of research behind it.

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[bp3dots]

I think the iPhone success speaks for itself and that alone to me makes it worth the risk. As I said before, it hasn't been done yet, and all these ideas about smaller high spec phones not selling, have no proof to back it up. Its an untouched segment, and the first manufacturer to tap into it is risking having a huge hit on their hands. Personally, I think HTC is the company to try it first. a true top spec one x in a small edge to edge housing and at most, a 4 to 4.3in screen. I think that'll put them back on the map.

They also risk having a huge loss. That's where market research comes in.

After all, Apple's done tons of research to know that enough ppl like one handed use. So whoever said apple doesn't do research is sadly mistaken. Their mission to keep a tight form factor has a lot of research behind it.

Consider that Apple rarely does anything they don't intend to, regardless of customer demand for it. I know, and have talked to in the process of selling phones, a lot of iPhone owners who would buy an iPhone with a 4.7+ screen. They don't have the choice, and are unwilling or too invested in Apple's ecosystem to change. Android has those bigger options, and people clearly want them.

Unless you kept the smaller high end phones priced well below the big high-enders, they wouldn't sell well enough to be worth it. And it's likely that pricing them that low would make it unprofitable enough to not warrant the expense.

 

[Jaycemiskel]

I keep hearing the iPhone's success being brought up. The reality is that if there was a 3.5 inch, a 4 inch, and a 4.7 inch iPhone , with the way the market is going, the 4.7 inch iPhone would more than likely sell the most. Most consumers do not know anything about specs. So they don't really care that the smaller phone has a slower processor. They probably pick their phone more based on the screen size than specs. So, there probably won't be any phones that you would just be thrilled with anytime soon. I guess you could go with a blackberry, but there probably won't be very many apps and who knows how much longer BB will be with us. You can always get an iPhone I guess. I remember when I used to think 4in was the perfect size. Now I couldn't go back from my Galaxy Nexus.

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