Why do (Android) phones need so many cores?

[Haalcyon]

I disagree. If it costs more and does less, and you are using it as a tool, then it is worse.


As a passenger plane, yes, it is much worse. It is an incredibly inefficient passenger plane.


As an air superiority fighter, the F22 is significantly better. It has far more capability. The F15, as an air superiority fighter, is objectively worse than the F22. It has fewer capabilities.

Exactly. ...and for those that want simplicity out of the box and the most robust app and accessory ecosystems the Nexus 5 is objectively worse than the iPhone. Its all how we spin it and what the priorities are. I bet a ton of folks here couldn't care less about there being a better app and accessory ecosystem for iOS and her devices.


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[JeffDenver]

Exactly. ...and for those that want simplicity out of the box and the most robust app and accessory ecosystems the Nexus 5 is objectively worse than the iPhone.

So you are willing to pay $350 more because you do not want to install a launcher?

Are you telling em you have done nothing at all to customize your iPhone? You have not changed the wallpaper or made folders?

 

[A895]

Wow this argument is intense, I need some popcorn.

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[JeffDenver]

I'm not trying to be insulting. Maybe it is worth $350 to him not to have to install a launcher. I am just trying to determine what the specifics are as to why he thinks Apple products have value to justify the price.

 

[Haalcyon]

So you are willing to pay $350 more because you do not want to install a launcher?

Are you telling em you have done nothing at all to customize your iPhone? You have not changed the wallpaper or made folders?

No, I'm willing to pay $350 more because I don't want to NEED to install a launcher and the apps I use are much better in iOS, like I said to, that accessory ecosystem was important to me too. I've added wallpaper, even jailbroke at one point, only to remove the jailbreak later.

Further, I'd have to use the Nexus 7 instead of the iPad Mini (like have a phone/tablet on the same platform). For me, that was an exercise in misery. I tried 5 Nexus 7's and had issue with every single one of them. Dead pixels or touchscreen issues. Things that are simply largely unheard of on this side of the fence. So when it came down to it and I realized I couldn't even video chat with my wife I decided I had enough reasons to switch, even if it cost a little more. I just love my devices but I don't expect everyone else here to.

Some would ask why I even still frequent AC. I have such a history with Android that I still like to discuss it, that's why. I frequent iMore too but there are rarely discussions about Android. Its different when everyone is using the same devices pretty much.




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[Haalcyon]

Wow this argument is intense, I need some popcorn.

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I'm probably gonna get banned or something something I may have written will be misinterpreted as trolling. If so, I'd like to apologize.


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[Haalcyon]

I'm not trying to be insulting. Maybe it is worth $350 to him not to have to install a launcher. I am just trying to determine what the specifics are as to why he thinks Apple products have value to justify the price.

Out of the box simplicity. App Ecosystem. Accessory ecosystem. ...and it doesn't hurt that I can video chat with my wife and son. I don't know how else to explain it.


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[JeffDenver]

Some would ask why I even still frequent AC. I have such a history with Android that I still like to discuss it, that's why.

Discuss what?

We have established that you are not a typical Apple user (your own admission). We have established that your current products are all you will ever need. So I am not sure what you are discussing. You're not looking for something to fill your needs (you already have it), and you're not really interested in more functionality than you have now (you already have it), and you are not advocating one platform over the other.

 

[Haalcyon]

Discuss what?

We have established that you are not a typical Apple user (your own admission). We have established that your current products are all you will ever need. So I am not sure what you are discussing. You're not looking for something to fill your needs (you already have it), and you're not really interested in more functionality than you have now (you already have it), and you are not advocating one platform over the other.

Pros and cons of different phones. Which phone is hot, which phone is not. I don't need to want an Android phone to enjoy participating in discussions about them...do I? I like talking about what the next humungous Note is going to have...or why the design of the S5's back could have been better, etc. I'm a stone cold hardware junky. I just am. Discussing android devices amongst its enthusiasts is satisfying and fun. As much of a hardware nut as I am, who knows, there may be something that is so attractive to me to negate my current priorities and make me go back. I can't know that if I don't keep up with it.

Jeff, we have taken this thread way off topic. I may get in trouble for that, you may too. I think we need to let it go. If this was any kind of argument I admit defeat.

Cores. CPU cores.


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[NotJustAPhone]

Let's get this thread back on-topic.

Sent from my Galaxy S4

 

[Haalcyon]

Let's get this thread back on-topic.

Sent from my Galaxy S4

You go it. Thanks for tolerating us.


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[pappy53]

GTalk (hangouts) does that now.

Video quality not even close to FaceTime.

 

[Haalcyon]

Facetime was a big attraction for me. I could not video chat with my loved ones when I had my android beasts. My wife just wasn't going to do anything more complex than FaceTime, and I did try.


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[xchange]

With android apps are left running in the background, doing and molesting whatever they need to to make themselves (and the user) happy. Add all of that to a very very very very very very very heave UI like TouchWiz and you can quickly begin to see where extra cores may come in rather handy. This is why when I put my son's G Pad 8.3 to rest I clear all the tasks. I learned that with them working those 4 cores in the background the battery life drained quite a bit faster than if I shut them down.


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There should be virtually no impact on battery by not clearing anything when you're done using it and the device goes into deep sleep. If you're experiencing otherwise you'll be able to find out the culprit using Wakelock Detector and remedy whichever individual app or service is misbehaving.

 

[Haalcyon]

There should be virtually no impact on battery by not clearing anything when you're done using it and the device goes into deep sleep. If you're experiencing otherwise you'll be able to find out the culprit using Wakelock Detector and remedy whichever individual app or service is misbehaving.

I don't mind clearing the tasks. Its simple. ...and it seems effective. I'm just not interested it dissecting mobile devices in me free time, if I can avoid it.


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[xchange]

I don't mind clearing the tasks. Its simple. ...and it seems effective. I'm just not interested it dissecting mobile devices in me free time, if I can avoid it.


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Understood, but you're probably already aware that Android because of how the OS works will turn on services automatically in the background and also shut down services automatically if memory is required elsewhere.

If your device is running normally this won't impact battery or performance, however if you manually end something, you'll expend more juice when that service is restarted from an end state rather than a hibernated state by the OS. This is basically in a nutshell why task managers have been considered detrimental rather than helpful post-gingerbread 2.3

 

[Haalcyon]

Your are undoubtedly right. I may get my son another iPad take the G Pad back to have something android to tinker with.


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[nessinhaw]

Understood, but you're probably already aware that Android because of how the OS works will turn on services automatically in the background and also shut down services automatically if memory is required elsewhere.

If your device is running normally this won't impact battery or performance, however if you manually end something, you'll expend more juice when that service is restarted from an end state rather than a hibernated state by the OS. This is basically in a nutshell why task managers have been considered detrimental rather than helpful post-gingerbread 2.3

exactly! Android knows best how to deal with memory and actually the more is taken, the better! if its needed, it will dismiss processes no longer used to free RAM!

the best thing is to actually not get so paranoid about memory RAM lol and that's what i do!

i have no task killers, task managers nor cleaners...i basically don't care about RAM anymore lol and never, in 3 months, has my 1GB Moto G lagged or crashed!

i also don't clean cache too often....that's smth to be done more when u're internal memory is running low!

the only thing i keep an eye on is apps battery drain! yesterday i was testing a browser and it consumed 10% in 11min...uninstalled lol

sent from my Moto G <3

 

[Haalcyon]

I wasn't closing tasks to save RAM, I was closing them so all the games he likes to launch wouldn't be running in the background eating up the CPU and, therefore, the battery. He launches game after game after game. It's not uncommon for him to have 7 or 8 games running in the background and I noticed the battery lasts longer if I clear them all out before sleeping the tablet. I couldn't care less about RAM...as he my little booger is only playing games on this thing.


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[abazigal]

Box.com does the exact same thing.

Except that anyone on any platform can create a Box.com account...if I share a folder to them, they do not even need an email link. It is already available to them. Whether they are on Apple or PC or Android or iOS hardware. Google does the exact same thing on Drive, and it has all the same capabilities.

This is a good example of why open is better. .

In this context, we are dealing with elementary school children. I would rather they not have to create one account after another, so any solution we use should ideally tap on what resources they already have (like the school blog) to avoid extra work on anyone's part.

But in this context it does not matter...it is a choice you have with Google drive. You can use it exactly like a private office suite or you can share it or anything inbetween. You could even use it on OSX or iOS. It is not limited to any platform or OS.

Which is a bad thing. Proprietary is a bad thing. This is the entire reason I don't like iOS...it is not because it is Apple, but because it is closed. Apple is really incidental...if it was not Apple, it would be someone else. Apple just does the closed system better than anyone else can.

For me, I really couldn't care less whether a platform is open or closed, but whether it meets my needs or not.

Google docs has its own strengths ( just yesterday, I discovered how to use it to create self-grading quizzes). However, it still has a long way to go towards letting me create documents that look as good or are as functional as those I can create with the iWork's suite.

So what if I can share documents more easily? That benefit is irrelevant in this context, and I would actually be worse off because I can't create the documents I want anywhere nearly as easily; how am I benefitting from google docs being more open in this context?

Which is why I use both iWork's and google docs. The best tool for the job and all. I see no point in artificially limiting myself solely to google docs just to uphold some arbitrary crusade of open vs closed.