Why do (Android) phones need so many cores?

[_X_]

I can airplay my iphone and my iPad to my smart board in the classroom. This forms the core of my teaching practice in class.

I can prepare documents with iWork's and have then automatically sync to all my apple devices.

I can share photos with my pupils in a heartbeat using shared photostream.

Then there are integrated services like iMessage and optimized tablet apps and Amongst other things, I would say my apple devices are giving me quite the value for money.

Actually these features are all available on every platform for much less(free) . And work in a heterogeneous environment. Where your solution only works with Apple products.

You are excessively overpaying for such basic features.

 

[_X_]

Don't say root and ROMing, the only folks that want that can HAVE IT. Don't say change launchers...because, IMO, that's necessary just to not be annoyed.

Man I hate that answer. To me these are nice to have but way overplayed. I do like having the option of changing launchers because they allow one to optimize the UI to ones need.

Tell me what the Nexus 5 does that's important to me (if it's not important to me, why would I care)

Quit a few key thing in the productivity realm.

Android multitasking is quit superior for multitasking. I'm able to edit a movie on phone and have it compile in the background. Then open up a word document and keep working, sending emails, surfing etc...

Shortcuts. I have quick links to books I read, contacts, bookmarks, etc. With one click I'm able to make a phone call to my favorites. Open a book to my last read page, open a webpage to a f preferred website.

File management. I'm able to generate zip files, word documents, images, from one app and access them from a other.
Helpful for sending emails, and file management. My daughter's school used iPad for school and I'm constantly sending emails on her behalf because of the iPad's limitations.

These are just a few.

I'm sure your response will be none of those features are important to me. That is usually the ignorant response folk make until their told otherwise.

I remember folks made such claim about preemptive multitasking, until Windows 95 was released then instantly this was the most important feature to have. Apple has learned much from Microsoft.

 

[Haalcyon]

Remember, as noted, I've had the many Android phones including, but not limited to the Evo 4G, Droid Razor, Droid Razor Maxx, Note 2, S4, Optimus G Pro, Note 3, Nexus 5, and G2. So, tell me again.... It's ignorant of me not to care about file management and zipping files... from my phone? Shortcuts count but I have those on all 4 of my iOS devices so I don't miss anything my past phones did. I did briefly miss the back button.

File Management? I'm lucky enough to have multiple computers, including laptops. I don't need to manage zip files while I'm in my car or walking down the street or riding my bike.

But guess what? I can remote control ANY of my computers, including my server, from anywhere I have internet access. Given that all my devices have LTE that's just about anywhere. I realize not everyone has or wants a setup like mine so they need to do more on their handsets than I need or want to do. Different strokes for different folks.

See, most the time I want simplicity and the iPhone is my choice for that. When I want a bigger screen I choose either my Air or my Retina Mini. Need to do something more complex? I remote to my choice of computers and accomplish whatever it is I wish. Instantly. Instantly. No need to transfer files. No need for OTG cables, file managers, etc.



PS, It has already been noted by myself and moderators to get back on thread topic, which has nothing to do with your post. Any reason we can't do that? You can PM me or start a new thread if you want to continue to discuss why I chose iOS but let's keep this thread on the proper track.


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[A895]

Android phones not only need multiple cores to speed things up, it`s also for differentiation and labeling the device with the most cores as the new and biggest and best (marketing reasons). Android for while unfortunately did not have a lot of optimization until Project Butter and then things sped up even more with 4.3 with TRIM and now KitKat allows even low end android phones to run very speedily. I`m just glad things are starting to be fast all across the board with android.

 

[abazigal]

Actually these features are all available on every platform for much less(free) . And work in a heterogeneous environment. Where your solution only works with Apple products.

You are excessively overpaying for such basic features.

Pray tell me how airplay mirroring was available in 2012, because when I was researching on options, only the Apple TV (to be replaced with a MacBook running airserver) turned up as a feasible option.

 

[A895]

Pray tell me how airplay mirroring was available in 2012, because when I was researching on options, only the Apple TV (to be replaced with a MacBook running airserver) turned up as a feasible option.

Samsung Galaxy S3 and the Samsung Hub media thingy I think or is that after 2012? I know microHDMI was always an option for android.

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[abazigal]

Samsung Galaxy S3 and the Samsung Hub media thingy I think or is that after 2012? I know microHDMI was always an option for android.

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I know that in some schools in Korea, they get airplay mirroring because Samsung backed a similar feature into their smart TVs.

However, our classrooms already have interactive whiteboards. Pray tell me how it is a better or even more feasible option if I have to pay for my own tv screen as well?

That is one thing I have noticed when people keep suggesting this or that as a "viable" alternative to Apple - they usually don't work as well, or plain don't work at all. People just keep quoting raw specs without factoring in the end user experience.

I have to credit Apple with implementing their technologies in such a manner that even I, a self-professed tech noob can easily figure out how to get airplay to work in my classroom. I don't even see my investments as a waste, since outside of the classroom, I still am able to use my iPad and MacBook Air meaningfully both for work and leisure.

 

[Haalcyon]

I know that in some schools in Korea, they get airplay mirroring because Samsung backed a similar feature into their smart TVs.

However, our classrooms already have interactive whiteboards. Pray tell me how it is a better or even more feasible option if I have to pay for my own tv screen as well?

That is one thing I have noticed when people keep suggesting this or that as a "viable" alternative to Apple - they usually don't work as well, or plain don't work at all. People just keep quoting raw specs without factoring in the end user experience.

I have to credit Apple with implementing their technologies in such a manner that even I, a self-professed tech noob can easily figure out how to get airplay to work in my classroom. I don't even see my investments as a waste, since outside of the classroom, I still am able to use my iPad and MacBook Air meaningfully both for work and leisure.

It often seems that if you cast 'Apple's end-user experience' in anything but a negative light it doesn't get comprehended too well. That could be because its hard to quantify and it's value is subjective (you can't assign a number to it).

Apple is able to provide a decent 'end-user experience' with....gotta bring this back on-topic...dual cores .


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[abazigal]

It often seems that if you cast 'Apple's end-user experience' in anything but a negative light it doesn't get comprehended too well. That could be because its hard to quantify and it's value is subjective (you can't assign a number to it).

Apple is able to provide a decent 'end-user experience' with....gotta bring this back on-topic...dual cores .


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To be honest, I think the original discussion has come to a standstill, until a more technologically savvy user is able to weigh in with a precise explanation of just how more cores help with the aforementioned tasks.

Currently, the discussion seems to be going around in circles anyways, with the argument that more cores are better, just because.

I myself am currently trying to read up more on the topic, but am admitably hobbled because of my own lack of technological knowledge.

Like I said, Apple isn't perfect, but they are not run by idiots either. They obviously have a very good reason for continuing to use the dual core processes on products like the iPhone and MacBook.

My conclusion is that Apple has done their research, and determined that going by their usage patterns, consumers are ultimately better served with a dual-core processor. Even if you give them quad or octa core professors, their usage patterns will unlikely change, nor will they see any improvement. If they were not excessive multitaskers before, or not using some particularly complex software, they are unlikely to start now.

I will post back when I have a better understanding of just how more cores help (and possibly hinder) a smartphones's operations.

Have a great weekend, everyone.

 

[Haalcyon]

To be honest, I think the original discussion has come to a standstill, until a more technologically savvy user is able to weigh in with a precise explanation of just how more cores help with the aforementioned tasks.

Currently, the discussion seems to be going around in circles anyways, with the argument that more cores are better, just because.

I myself am currently trying to read up more on the topic, but am admitably hobbled because of my own lack of technological knowledge.

Like I said, Apple isn't perfect, but they are not run by idiots either. They obviously have a very good reason for continuing to use the dual core processes on products like the iPhone and MacBook.

My conclusion is that Apple has done their research, and determined that going by their usage patterns, consumers are ultimately better served with a dual-core processor. Even if you give them quad or octa core professors, their usage patterns will unlikely change, nor will they see any improvement. If they were not excessive multitaskers before, or not using some particularly complex software, they are unlikely to start now.

I will post back when I have a better understanding of just how more cores help (and possibly hinder) a smartphones's operations.

I think its power management. I think Apple is still using dual cores in their phones due to power management. They decided to design a dual-core that was fast enough to give them the sought-after performance while providing the sought-after battery life even on a relatively small battery. That's just a guess since I don't scour the web researching these things.

As far as quad cores, my guess is that it's cheaper for Android OEMs to throw an off-the-shelf Snapdragon 80x at the wall than it is to design their own dual-core that would provide the same level of performance. That off-the-shelf quad core can better handle multi-tasking the UI/kernel and apps the user tosses in, at lower clocks, than most OEM-accessible dual-cores, me thinks.** That's just another guess, won't even call it a hypothesis.

** Are there dual-cores that perform as well as quad-cores in the same application, with the same or better power management that are accessible to most android OEMs?


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[A895]

To be honest, I think the original discussion has come to a standstill, until a more technologically savvy user is able to weigh in with a precise explanation of just how more cores help with the aforementioned tasks.

Currently, the discussion seems to be going around in circles anyways, with the argument that more cores are better, just because.

I myself am currently trying to read up more on the topic, but am admitably hobbled because of my own lack of technological knowledge.

Like I said, Apple isn't perfect, but they are not run by idiots either. They obviously have a very good reason for continuing to use the dual core processes on products like the iPhone and MacBook.

My conclusion is that Apple has done their research, and determined that going by their usage patterns, consumers are ultimately better served with a dual-core processor. Even if you give them quad or octa core professors, their usage patterns will unlikely change, nor will they see any improvement. If they were not excessive multitaskers before, or not using some particularly complex software, they are unlikely to start now.

I will post back when I have a better understanding of just how more cores help (and possibly hinder) a smartphones's operations.

Have a great weekend, everyone.

I provided multiple examples myself along with others as to why android has multiple cores. Maybe you can add something too?

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[A895]

I know that in some schools in Korea, they get airplay mirroring because Samsung backed a similar feature into their smart TVs.

However, our classrooms already have interactive whiteboards. Pray tell me how it is a better or even more feasible option if I have to pay for my own tv screen as well?

That is one thing I have noticed when people keep suggesting this or that as a "viable" alternative to Apple - they usually don't work as well, or plain don't work at all. People just keep quoting raw specs without factoring in the end user experience.

I have to credit Apple with implementing their technologies in such a manner that even I, a self-professed tech noob can easily figure out how to get airplay to work in my classroom. I don't even see my investments as a waste, since outside of the classroom, I still am able to use my iPad and MacBook Air meaningfully both for work and leisure.

No one was trying to be offensive. No reason to try to justify your purchase. It's just a bunch of electronics and its your money to do what you want with it and buy whatever works best for you.

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[abazigal]

No one was trying to be offensive. No reason to try to justify your purchase. It's just a bunch of electronics and its your money to do what you want with it and buy whatever works best for you.

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I want trying to be offensive either. Someone asked a question, and I simply answered it to the best of my ability. Apologies if I have offended anyone.

 

[Haalcyon]

I want trying to be offside either. Someone asked a question, and I simply answered it to the best of my ability. Apologies if I have offended anyone.

Nope, me not offended by your non-offensive post.


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[A895]

I want trying to be offensive either. Someone asked a question, and I simply answered it to the best of my ability. Apologies if I have offended anyone.

I apologize, I felt you got a little offended.

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[abazigal]

I apologize, I felt you got a little offended.

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None needed. I will also try to pay more attention to how I respond in future as well.


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[A895]

I wonder what the specs will be on BlackBerrys and Apples next flagship. Those are the last two holdouts on higher end specs. Though I will say they both are very optimized and fast already.

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[garublador]

Apple is able to provide a decent 'end-user experience' with....gotta bring this back on-topic...dual cores .

FWIW, I watched my wife's iPhone 5 take 5 seconds to open up the home screen after she put in her PIN last night. The assumption that iPhones work "more smooth" and have "less lag" with two cores than Android phones do with four cores is false. They just handle how the lag looks differently in some situations.

Back in the GB days, iOS was way ahead of Android in terms of performance and "user experience." I've found that they're pretty much equal in all those same areas, but you have a lot more options in Android.

 

[A895]

FWIW, I watched my wife's iPhone 5 take 5 seconds to open up the home screen after she put in her PIN last night. The assumption that iPhones work "more smooth" and have "less lag" with two cores than Android phones do with four cores is false. They just handle how the lag looks differently in some situations.

Back in the GB days, iOS was way ahead of Android in terms of performance and "user experience." I've found that they're pretty much equal in all those same areas, but you have a lot more options in Android.

I remember how iOS apps force close by just sending you back to the home screen no dialog box. On android there was a dialog box so people made the assumption that android apps force close all the time. Apple hides a lot of stuff well, its what they do.

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[Haalcyon]

FWIW, I watched my wife's iPhone 5 take 5 seconds to open up the home screen after she put in her PIN last night. The assumption that iPhones work "more smooth" and have "less lag" with two cores than Android phones do with four cores is false. They just handle how the lag looks differently in some situations.

Back in the GB days, iOS was way ahead of Android in terms of performance and "user experience." I've found that they're pretty much equal in all those same areas, but you have a lot more options in Android.

Notice I wrote 'decent' and not 'better'. I think part of it is that iOS is doing much in the background whereas android may be, among other things, trying to solve world hunger in the background and that's where extra horsepower comes into play. Yes, of course a savvy user can control this. I am really looking forward to seeing the G Pro 2 as it seems like all it's horsepower will be available to end user processes and not be taken up the the OS and and UI (like the Note 3). I so hope that phone comes to AT&T.


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