Why do (Android) phones need so many cores?

[JeffDenver]

You are right in a sense. We are paying more for less. Fewer problems and issues overall, and the promise of an integrated solution which just works right out of the box. I am pay more upfront, but I can expect a more polished, hassle-free and streamlined computing experience, and in the long run, I don't expect to be any worse off.

At least, that has been my general experience with all the apple products I own ( and I do have quite a number of them).

More isn't always better or more desirable, especially when it is not more of what people want, but more that they need to contend with.

Which is fine. People who prefer dumbphones say the exact same thing about the iPhone.

But a lot of Apple people make the claim that iOS is objectively better, and it is clearly not. It is better for a minority who have limited needs.

 

[Haalcyon]

Which is fine. People who prefer dumbphones say the exact same thing about the iPhone.

But a lot of Apple people make the claim that iOS is objectively better, and it is clearly not. It is better for a minority who have limited needs.

Anyone that tries to make the claim that iOS or Android is OBJECTIVELY better clearly needs to be better educated. Its subjective, pure and simple. The priorities of one person are not the priorities of the next. To try to say one is OBJECTIVELY better seems...seems to imply that one person's priorities somehow outrank another's. I think you've read my drivel enough over the past months to know how I may feel about that.


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[abazigal]

Which is fine. People who prefer dumbphones say the exact same thing about the iPhone.

But a lot of Apple people make the claim that iOS is objectively better, and it is clearly not. It is better for a minority who have limited needs.

I would never say anything is objectively better, just that there are differing needs and different devices which best suit those needs. I have many friends and colleagues using android devices and it would be silly to engage in a meaningless platform war with them. We have better things to do than argue over which phone is better.

 

[Geodude074]

You are right in a sense. We are paying more for less. Fewer problems and issues overall, and the promise of an integrated solution which just works right out of the box. I am pay more upfront, but I can expect a more polished, hassle-free and streamlined computing experience, and in the long run, I don't expect to be any worse off.

At least, that has been my general experience with all the apple products I own ( and I do have quite a number of them).

More isn't always better or more desirable, especially when it is not more of what people want, but more that they need to contend with.

For me at least, complexity is not a key selling point which appeals to me. Simplicity is. And I willingly pay for it.

If you were smart, you'd pay less for less. That's what $20 feature phones are for. They work right out of the box, have a polished error-free experience. And hey, the battery life is phenomenal!

 

[JeffDenver]

Anyone that tries to make the claim that iOS or Android is OBJECTIVELY better clearly needs to be better educated. Its subjective, pure and simple.

I think I have demonstrated that the Nexus 5 is objectively better as far as capability. It actually does more at less cost.

Your preference for iOS and the iPhone is not based on capability.

 

[Haalcyon]

I would never say anything is objectively better, just that there are differing needs and different devices which best suit those needs. I have many friends and colleagues using android devices and it would be silly to engage in a meaningless platform war with them. We have better things to do than argue over which phone is better.

I agree, but on a forum like this, with iOS customers being the minority such conversations seems to keep developing. I think that's because you'll here how SUPERIOR android is to iOS. People seem to forget, especially teenagers, that what works great for one doesn't necessarily work great for another.


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[JeffDenver]

I would never say anything is objectively better, just that there are differing needs and different devices which best suit those needs. I have many friends and colleagues using android devices and it would be silly to engage in a meaningless platform war with them. We have better things to do than argue over which phone is better.

I keep hearing that, but then I see the same people saying this are also participating in threads which argue about which is better.

It's ok to have these arguments. Other people read them to become more informed about purchasing decisions. I don't think more knowledge is a bad thing.

 

[abazigal]

I agree, but on a forum like this, with iOS customers being the minority such conversations seems to keep developing. I think that's because you'll here how SUPERIOR android is to iOS. People seem to forget, especially teenagers, that what works great for one doesn't necessarily work great for another.


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I am here precisely to hear differing points of view and alternative opinions. I have handled the worst of the worst at cnet, this place is actually heaven by comparison.

 

[JeffDenver]

I agree, but on a forum like this, with iOS customers being the minority such conversations seems to keep developing. I think that's because you'll here how SUPERIOR android is to iOS. People seem to forget, especially teenagers, that what works great for one doesn't necessarily work great for another.

If a person who like dumbphones went to an iOS forum and made the argument that dumbphones were superior to iPhones, what do you think the reaction would be?

He would say "I know the iPhone does more, but I don't care...the dumbphone does what I need it to do and without all the extra crap running in the background....and I get great battery life. I don't mind paying $1200 for it" - He is paying twice as much for a phone that does less.

Do you think it would be unreasonable for people to tell him he is crazy for doing that? For paying $1200 for a dumbphone?

 

[Haalcyon]

If a person who like dumbphones went to an iOS forum and made the argument that dumbphones were superior to iPhones, what do you think the reaction would be?

He would say "I know the iPhone does more, but I don't care...the dumbphone does what I need it to do and without all the extra crap running in the background....and I get great battery life. I don't mind paying $1200 for it" - He is paying twice as much for a phone that does less.

Do you think it would be unreasonable for people to tell him he is crazy for doing that? For paying $1200 for a dumbphone?

Aaaah, but no one has said iOS is superior to Android here. You may actually get banned for that.


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[Haalcyon]

Also, because something DOES MORE for less does not make it objectively better even if true. It's HOW it does that something. I can get a $10 shovel and eat my breakfast cereal with it but I'd rather use a $20 spoon. OR, I can get a 5 cent plastic spoon to eat my cereal or a $5 metal spoon. Heck, I'd rather have the metal spoon. If I had to sell the both later which do you think would fetch the better price? ...and my point is that the HOW it does that something is more desirable in iOS for me. The last two words of that sentence are paramount. Without them it would seem I'm suggesting that iOS is better, with them, it's clear I'm saying iOS is better...for me, and I think I've been clear about why I feel that way.


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[abazigal]

I think I have demonstrated that the Nexus 5 is objectively better as far as capability. It actually does more at less cost.

Your preference for iOS and the iPhone is not based on capability.

I can airplay my iphone and my iPad to my smart board in the classroom. This forms the core of my teaching practice in class.

I can prepare documents with iWork's and have then automatically sync to all my apple devices.

I can share photos with my pupils in a heartbeat using shared photostream.

Then there are integrated services like iMessage and optimized tablet apps and Amongst other things, I would say my apple devices are giving me quite the value for money.

 

[JeffDenver]

Aaaah, but no one has said iOS is superior to Android here. You may actually get banned for that.

People say it all the time. They make the exact same argument as that dumbphone guy did in my example.

And the obvious answer is, of course the dumbphone guy would be ridiculed. "OMG why are you paying $1200 for a phone that does only a fraction of what my $600 iPhone does??". He would be seen as insane for doing that.

And then what would happen if he responded with "well, the case is really pretty and I like the logo and my headphones work with it perfectly"?

 

[JeffDenver]

I can airplay my iphone and my iPad to my smart board in the classroom. This forms the core of my teaching practice in class.

Have no idea what airplay is...is that mirroring?

I can prepare documents with iWork's and have then automatically sync to all my apple devices.

Like I do with Google Drive? This is free and works on many platforms.

Bonus: I can share my docs with anyone as well, instantly. Even with you on your Apple device. We can even be working on the document at the same time, and modify it in real-time.

I can share photos with my pupils in a heartbeat using shared photostream.

Like I do with Box and Dropbox? (Drive will do that as well)

Can you do that with all your students or just the ones with Apple equipment? I can share stuff with box.com to anyone, on any platform, immediately.

 

[Haalcyon]

People say it all the time. They make the exact same argument as that dumbphone guy did in my example.

And the obvious answer is, of course the dumbphone guy would be ridiculed. "OMG why are you paying $1200 for a phone that does only a fraction of what my $600 iPhone does??". He would be seen as insane for doing that.

And then what would happen if he responded with "well, the case is really pretty and I like the logo and my headphones work with it perfectly"?

Suppose he responded with "I have enough money that the cost differential is irrelevant and I prefer the design". I still don't know what the Nexus 5 does that the iPhone doesn't. Don't say root and ROMing, the only folks that want that can HAVE IT. Don't say change launchers...because, IMO, that's necessary just to not be annoyed. Tell me what the Nexus 5 does that's important to me (if it's not important to me, why would I care) that my iPhone doesn't. Toilets: I've heard some toilets spray H20 on your @$$, and to some that's really really important, but I couldn't care less and that's not a feature I want.


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[Geodude074]

Also, because something DOES MORE for less does not make it objectively better even if true. It's HOW it does that something. I can get a $10 shovel and eat my breakfast cereal with it but I'd rather use a $20 spoon. OR, I can get a 5 cent plastic spoon to eat my cereal or a $5 metal spoon. Heck, I'd rather have the metal spoon. If I had to sell the both later which do you think would fetch the better price? ...and my point is that the HOW it does that something is more desirable in iOS for me. The last two words of that sentence are paramount. Without them it would seem I'm suggesting that iOS is better, with them, it's clear I'm saying iOS is better...for me, and I think I've been clear about why I feel that way.


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So according to your analogy, your decision to purchase the twice as expensive iPhone while knowing it has less features, is the same as someone paying $40 for a plastic shovel to eat their cereal when a $20 spoon would do the job better. Because the shovel to you is more desirable.

 

[Haalcyon]

Have no idea what airplay is...is that mirroring?


Like I do with Google Drive? This is free and works on many platforms.

Bonus: I can share my docs with anyone as well, instantly. Even with you on your Apple device. We can even be working on the document at the same time, and modify it in real-time.


Like I do with Box and Dropbox? (Drive will do that as well)

Can you do that with all your students or just the ones with Apple equipment? I can share stuff with box.com to anyone, on any platform, immediately.

See, my point is that I'd not be doing any of that anyways, so it doesn't matter to me. If I wanted to do that I'd prolly use my computers because I do have them, I'm not going to do that while I'm at Starbucks.


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[abazigal]

Also, because something DOES MORE for less does not make it objectively better even if true. It's HOW it does that something. I can get a $10 shovel and eat my breakfast cereal with it but I'd rather use a $20 spoon. OR, I can get a 5 cent plastic spoon to eat my cereal or a $5 metal spoon. Heck, I'd rather have the metal spoon. If I had to sell the both later which do you think would fetch the better price? ...and my point is that the HOW it does that something is more desirable in iOS for me. The last two words of that sentence are paramount. Without them it would seem I'm suggesting that iOS is better, with them, it's clear I'm saying iOS is better...for me, and I think I've been clear about why I feel that way.


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And look to the iPad vs the older tablet laptops for the best example of how user experience can trump raw specs when done right.

A tablet running a single - core processor, 256 mb ram and phone OS. Trouncing a full-powered laptop.

 

[Haalcyon]

So according to your analogy, your decision to purchase the twice as expensive iPhone while knowing it has less features, is the same as someone paying $40 for a plastic shovel to eat their cereal when a $20 spoon would do the job better. Because the shovel to you is more desirable.

I think you may need to reread my post. It looks like you misinterpreted what I wrote.


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[Haalcyon]

It's beginning to seem to me, from Jeff's responses, that he doesn't comprehend/acknowledge the point on user-experience being a value worth paying a PREMIUM for. I'm okay with that, it doesn't make user experience less valuable to me though.


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