Why don't people like HTC anymore?

[anon(94115)]

Did you see the rumor of the Incredible Nexus.

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Do you mean nexus superior? Check the rumored devices forum

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[dmmarck]

Did you see the rumor of the Incredible Nexus.

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With 64gigs internal storage? A dream.

Did AC run it? Then it wasn't credible.

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This x 1,000,000,000.

 

[ZachA]

With 64gigs internal storage? A dream.



This x 1,000,000,000.

It looks awesome.

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[iN8ter]

I'll believe it when I see it. HTC said the same thing about ICS for the DHD, and then went back on it.

Not sure why you'd want the update, though, since ICS so thoroughly screwed up the phone that you want to go back to GB.

A lot of the issues I had with the ICS update were actually server issues on Samsung's part (their SNS servers were having issues). I contacted their support and about 2 hours ago it started working and I added all my social accounts back into my phone.

As for the other issues I had with some of the changes in that update - that's an Android issue not a Samsung issue. Google's stock apps are terrible and Samsung used some of them in the ICS update for the skyrocket, replacing what was there in GB (which was superior). A good example is the contact app, and it's part of the reason why the Dialer + Contacts went from one unified app to two separate apps in ICS on those devices. Functionality was loss going from the GB Contacts app to that terrible ICS contacts app.

The IM issue has since been resolved. The Yahoo! PUSH issue is a Yahoo! issue that they say their engineers are aware of and working on a fix for (since this issue affects all Samsung devices with Social Hub premium on them, including a ton of lower end/mid range Android and Bada devices in emerging markets).

I'll likely have a new phone before the JB update for the GS2 devices is released, anyways, and the Skyrocket will likely be nothing more than a serviceless pocket cam and MP3 player, therefore I won't even bother going through the trouble of updating it.

The Desire HD has a 1GHz single-core Scorpion SoC with Adreno 205 and only 768 MB RAM (GS2 are Exynos or S3 and 1GB RAM). Sorry, but there's a huge difference between the hardware configuration of any GS2 variant and that phone. Given the level to which Sense is bloated compared to TW (Sense 3.6 uses easily more resources than TW4, and I'm assuming that's what the DHD would have gotten) it's perfectly possible that they were running into performance issue bringing *their* code over.

It's impossible for any phone that recieved an ICS update to have "performance issues" that hinder a JB update. The system requirements are basically identical.

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So since the back cover feels flimsy when you remove it.. It's poor build quality?.. Who's walking around with just the back cover? Most back covers had that air feeling when snapped in like you can press down and feel space or movement... Not with the GS3 is sold when snapped in.... Samsung has stepped up in a major way on build quality... Compare the S1, S2, to the GS3 and tell me there isn't a huge difference.. I'd never own an old Samsung but GS3 is solid... Just feels a lil slippery

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There are a lot of issues that come from those thin plastic back covers, and the GS3 feels no more solid than a GS2 which felt no more solid than a GS device, which is not really solid at all.

When you use something like an ion or Lumia 900 for a while and go to a Samsung phone it's impossible to use the word "solid" to describe the build quality without chuckling a bit.

I use their phones cause I like the deep social integration they added to their TW4 phones coupled with the extensive PUSH email/IM support built-in (I'm not a fan of loading up my smartphones with apps so I tend to get the best stock experience that suits me), but an Otterbox is mandatory.

And yes they all feel slippery because the plastic is glossy. No different than any other piece of electronics.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

A lot of the issues I had with the ICS update were actually server issues on Samsung's part (their SNS servers were having issues). I contacted their support and about 2 hours ago it started working and I added all my social accounts back into my phone.

As for the other issues I had with some of the changes in that update - that's an Android issue not a Samsung issue. Google's stock apps are terrible and Samsung used some of them in the ICS update for the skyrocket, replacing what was there in GB (which was superior). A good example is the contact app, and it's part of the reason why the Dialer + Contacts went from one unified app to two separate apps in ICS on those devices. Functionality was loss going from the GB Contacts app to that terrible ICS contacts app.

The IM issue has since been resolved. The Yahoo! PUSH issue is a Yahoo! issue that they say their engineers are aware of and working on a fix for (since this issue affects all Samsung devices with Social Hub premium on them, including a ton of lower end/mid range Android and Bada devices in emerging markets).

I'll likely have a new phone before the JB update for the GS2 devices is released, anyways, and the Skyrocket will likely be nothing more than a serviceless pocket cam and MP3 player, therefore I won't even bother going through the trouble of updating it.

The Desire HD has a 1GHz single-core Scorpion SoC with Adreno 205 and only 768 MB RAM (GS2 are Exynos or S3 and 1GB RAM). Sorry, but there's a huge difference between the hardware configuration of any GS2 variant and that phone. Given the level to which Sense is bloated compared to TW (Sense 3.6 uses easily more resources than TW4, and I'm assuming that's what the DHD would have gotten) it's perfectly possible that they were running into performance issue bringing *their* code over.

It's impossible for any phone that recieved an ICS update to have "performance issues" that hinder a JB update. The system requirements are basically identical.

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There are a lot of issues that come from those thin plastic back covers, and the GS3 feels no more solid than a GS2 which felt no more solid than a GS device, which is not really solid at all.

When you use something like an ion or Lumia 900 for a while and go to a Samsung phone it's impossible to use the word "solid" to describe the build quality without chuckling a bit.

I use their phones cause I like the deep social integration they added to their TW4 phones coupled with the extensive PUSH email/IM support built-in (I'm not a fan of loading up my smartphones with apps so I tend to get the best stock experience that suits me), but an Otterbox is mandatory.

And yes they all feel slippery because the plastic is glossy. No different than any other piece of electronics.

I have both devices. Touchwiz uses far more RAM than Sense. It honestly makes Sense look skinny.

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[iN8ter]

I had a vivid as well. No it doesn't. And even if it did, touchwiz adds a ton more usefulness than sense could ever hope to. Much of sense is just bloat. My mom has both a GS3 and a One X and I've checked them out as well.

Plus Samsung put 2GB ram in their US GS3 making it a non factor for that device while the one x will still aggressively manage your ram while multitasking due to sense's weight.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

I'm running a Jelly Bean AOSP ROM right now. My dealer app (which is stock Android) has my contacts in it in a separate tab. Are you saying that touchwiz separates these? I mean yes, I also have a people app, but I don't have to use it to find contacts.

When you're using a Touchwiz or Sense device with a stock-based ROM it's hard to say if the fault is android or the manufacturer. They make SO many framework changes that you're barely looking at Android at all.

Yes, the S2 has much better hardware than the DHD variants, but I was just using that as an example.

Sense 3.6 might be a resource hog, but Sense 4.X is much lighter than the new touchwiz.

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[crackberrytraitor]

I had a vivid as well. No it doesn't. And even if it did, touchwiz adds a ton more usefulness than sense could ever hope to. Much of sense is just bloat. My mom has both a GS3 and a One X and I've checked them out as well.

Plus Samsung put 2GB ram in their US GS3 making it a non factor for that device while the one x will still aggressively manage your ram while multitasking due to sense's weight.

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First of all, yes touchwiz takes more RAM, this isn't a debate it's a fact. I can take photos of them side by side. Second, what makes it even worse for touchiz, like 300mbs of the One X's RAM isn't even used by software. Even when you install a AOSP ROM it only registers like 637mb. It's being used by the GPU or something. What does that tell you when with sense, you usually have like 200+mb free? Touchwiz eats up way more Ram. Waaaaaaay more. Personally, I dislike touchwiz. It's "features" are clunky and for the most part, useless. I couldn't install AOKP fast enough.

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[tcm1969]

Random entry.... but I was just at at&t and held my HOX next to the GS3, both screens at 100% looking at the same Web pages and wow, the HOX just kills it! The GS3 looks grey and dim by comparison! Everything you do is through the screen and anyone who used this phone for a while would have a tough time switching to anything else! I honestly don't know how it could be argued.

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[dmmarck]

Random entry.... but I was just at at&t and held my HOX next to the GS3, both screens at 100% looking at the same Web pages and wow, the HOX just kills it! The GS3 looks grey and dim by comparison! Everything you do is through the screen and anyone who used this phone for a while would have a tough time switching to anything else! I honestly don't know how it could be argued.

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For my money, the HOX has the best screen I've ever seen.

 

[anon(94115)]

I like the hox screen, but I just want to say the most HTC screens are awesome. My best is the rezound... But the sgs3 is kinda close

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[nrm5110]

First of all, yes touchwiz takes more RAM, this isn't a debate it's a fact. I can take photos of them side by side. Second, what makes it even worse for touchiz, like 300mbs of the One X's RAM isn't even used by software. Even when you install a AOSP ROM it only registers like 637mb. It's being used by the GPU or something. What does that tell you when with sense, you usually have like 200+mb free? Touchwiz eats up way more Ram. Waaaaaaay more. Personally, I dislike touchwiz. It's "features" are clunky and for the most part, useless. I couldn't install AOKP fast enough.

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I'm on a rocket I can tell you tw blows on average a tw ROM takes up about 400+MB aosp at a whoping 184 tops I've seen ram usage on tw is trash making the phone almost stupid especially if your trying to multi task half the crap included on the rocket stock is useless if it wasn't for team chopsticks bringing cm to the phone it would have been utter crap I love it running paranoid android but Sammy really messed up on quality with screen blobs and lines cheap plastic so on I'm waiting for an HTC or Sony phone to really wow me I'm an og evo owner and miss HTC and I doubt Sony will ever pull their heads out with all the extra space in aosp you can afford to DL a few apps especially since everything you do in android is technically an app anyway

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[ZachA]

Here"s what HTC should ship your devices with Stock Android and have Sense available as a launcher. So you can decide if you want or not they don't force it on you. Also this would make updates roll out faster.

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[nrm5110]

Here"s what HTC should ship your devices with Stock Android and have Sense available as a launcher. So you can decide if you want or not they don't force it on you. Also this would make updates roll out faster.

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Sense isn't just a launcher its actually a very integrated very well thought out user experience not something you can just turn off

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[ZachA]

Sense isn't just a launcher its actually a very integrated very well thought out user experience not something you can just turn off

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No I'm saying it should come as a Launcher that you have the option to install or not install it would be your choice.

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[badbrad17]

I'm waiting for an HTC or Sony phone to really wow me I'm an og evo owner and miss HTC and I doubt Sony will ever pull their heads out with all the extra space in aosp you can afford to DL a few apps especially since everything you do in android is technically an app anyway

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I have never used a Sony device. Do they have added software like touchwiz or sense added to their phones? I swear that the next large phone manufacturer that decides to go pure vanilla like the Nexus lines would leap ahead of the competition and Sony would be a great candidate for that. Or I wouldn't be surprised if Asus went this route. It has been incredibly nice to be getting the updates on my Transformer Prime nearly as fast as the Gnex roll outs. The jellybean update is rolling out now.

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[Ry]

I swear that the next large phone manufacturer that decides to go pure vanilla like the Nexus lines would leap ahead of the competition and Sony would be a great candidate for that.

I seriously doubt that. The masses don't really care. I don't think any OEM can slow, let alone stop the roll Samsung is on now.

 

[nrm5110]

Sony's software is very well done the big issue is they never have the hardware to back it up. I personally love Sony's approach slightly more than sense I just never see the hardware or support

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[sofryj]

There ws a pretty revealing study done an out the effort companies put forth to track the source of raw materials used in production of their goods. Many raw materials are mined in conflict zones and, like so called "blood diamonds", these fund some pretty horrific groups and are mined with slave labor. There were quite a few varying degrees to which companies make an effort to ID the sources. HTC unfortunatly was revealed to make absolutely no effort whatsoever. Furthermore, out of the major electronics manufacturers, they were the only company to show such a dismal level of corporate responsibility. As much as people get on Apple and the likes about conditions in their Chinese facilities, HTC is funding far worse atrocities.

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[kkapoorr]

There ws a pretty revealing study done an out the effort companies put forth to track the source of raw materials used in production of their goods. Many raw materials are mined in conflict zones and, like so called "blood diamonds", these fund some pretty horrific groups and are mined with slave labor. There were quite a few varying degrees to which companies make an effort to ID the sources. HTC unfortunatly was revealed to make absolutely no effort whatsoever. Furthermore, out of the major electronics manufacturers, they were the only company to show such a dismal level of corporate responsibility. As much as people get on Apple and the likes about conditions in their Chinese facilities, HTC is funding far worse atrocities.

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