Will It's Sales Suffer For The Same Reason The S9's Sales Have?

[sulla1965]

Sales suffer because there are so many other options now. Used to be the note series was the only one with larger Amoled screens. Now everyone makes similar large screens. The days of Samsung dominance is over. Its not Samsung's fault though, it's just how the market is now unlike just a few years ago.

 

[Nakrohtap]

Not necessarily. Perhaps for some people in some markets. Any user who does research on a product will know charging more for a product doesn't make it better. The other folks though, they probably do associate price with quality ..

Also, degree matters too. If they charged $899 for it instead of $1050, I doubt there would be many folks around the world thinking .. "Jeez it's only $899, it must be a cheap piece of junk". Now at $299 or something, that's another story. Degree matters ..

To my point, I deal with a company who does just this. They don't markdown their products to maintain their "premium" branding status.

 

[dsignori]

To my point, I deal with a company who does just this. They don't markdown their products to maintain their "premium" branding status.

Right, that's understandable, many companies do that.

Still, degree matters. It's also this is not a "markdown", it's the initial set price of the new phone. There zero people who will not buy a $899 phone because they perceive it to be too cheap. As I mentioned, perhaps for a $299 phone that might not stand.

 

[Nakrohtap]

If Samsung truly wanted to sell more phones, they could create new price points. Crossing that $1000 barrier is very risky. Apple did that, but only with one model. I understand they want to make the most powerful, fully featured phone out there and because of that, the price may rise. IMO, they are should keep the S line manageable, in the $720-840 range and Maybe just keep the Note line as the all out premium flagship where price is of no concern.
Another problem with their current portfolio is a lot of their lower cost J and A series are not available through the US carriers. Maybe everyone can't buy 5 Galaxy S9's for their household. If they could add J7's to their plan for like $15 per month, they may stick with all Samsung, increasing their revenue.

 

[Nostromo79]

Now I'm seeing a 64 GB Note9 as a base model. Larger battery or not, more exciting/capable S-Pen or not, a skimpy 64 gigs of built-in storage won't do it for me. That's just my opinion. Absent the utility of 128 GB of built-in storage I would not have any reason to rid myself of a flawlessly functioning Note8 just so I can say that I've bought the latest and greatest Note device out there.

 

[Nostromo79]

Sales suffer because there are so many other options now. Used to be the note series was the only one with larger Amoled screens. Now everyone makes similar large screens. The days of Samsung dominance is over. Its not Samsung's fault though, it's just how the market is now unlike just a few years ago.

A couple of weeks ago I switched my SIM card into my Note 4 and then my LG V20 for a few days each and recalling the experience now I was fine with the 5.7" screen and the wider bodies (only just) of both phones. The dark horse in this race, for me, is Red Hydrogen's phone if I'm looking for a radical departure of sorts but that device's viability remains to be seen let alone proven. I'm evaluating my perceived need for a new phone annually which isn't just an exercise in self-aggrandizement as I had noted in another discussion.

 

[Nakrohtap]

I love how the article about the Note line disappearing was linked to the sales of the Note9. Meaning, "If you want to still have Notes to buy in the future, you'd better buy the Note9, even though we know you you don't really need one".
Sorry. Not really feeling it yet. With JOD, I have until late February at least to upgrade. Could be an S10+ in my future. The new JOD down payment will probably affect T-mobile sales as well.

 

[Mr Segundus]

I had a Note 8 for a few weeks and I miss it. I'm using a Pixel 2 XL at the moment, and even though I love it because of the monthly security updates, I plan on trading it in for the Note 9. The Notes have always been my go-to phones and I didn't use the Note 8 much. I miss using a Note. So I'm going to get one on release day and use my Pixel 2 XL as a trade-in device.

 

[TurdRon_FergusonBurgundy]

I had a Note 8 for a few weeks and I miss it. I'm using a Pixel 2 XL at the moment, and even though I love it because of the monthly security updates, I plan on trading it in for the Note 9. The Notes have always been my go-to phones and I didn't use the Note 8 much. I miss using a Note. So I'm going to get one on release day and use my Pixel 2 XL as a trade-in device.

Wouldn't you make more by selling the 2 XL? Generally the amount for trade in is insulting

 

[Blues Fan]

If Samsung truly wanted to sell more phones, they could create new price points. Crossing that $1000 barrier is very risky. Apple did that, but only with one model. I understand they want to make the most powerful, fully featured phone out there and because of that, the price may rise. IMO, they are should keep the S line manageable, in the $720-840 range and Maybe just keep the Note line as the all out premium flagship where price is of no concern.
Another problem with their current portfolio is a lot of their lower cost J and A series are not available through the US carriers. Maybe everyone can't buy 5 Galaxy S9's for their household. If they could add J7's to their plan for like $15 per month, they may stick with all Samsung, increasing their revenue.

I sell cell accessories at a local flea market. Anyway a lot of people have iPhone 8s and the S9 line, and also I see quite a few people with the J7 and J3 series as well, in fact a lot of people because I have them coming to me looking for case and I don't have many for them because the suppliers don't make that many.

LG is another I see a ton of people carrying.

I think that was a mistake for the iPhone X to hit the $1000 barrier. It really hurt the sales I think. I see a number of people with that phone but not nearly the many I do see with the 8 Plus.

 

[hasasimo]

The more this device is leaked, the less excited I am about it for some reason. Probably the lackluster aesthetics. The least excited I've ever been for a Note device. Sticking with my S9.

 

[Mr Segundus]

Wouldn't you make more by selling the 2 XL? Generally the amount for trade in is insulting

I got burned once on Swappa and I'll never do it again. I haven't had an ebay account since 2003 so I'm not going to go that route either. If I can get $300 trade in for my Pixel 2 XL, I'll be happy.

 

[Nakrohtap]

I sell cell accessories at a local flea market. Anyway a lot of people have iPhone 8s and the S9 line, and also I see quite a few people with the J7 and J3 series as well, in fact a lot of people because I have them coming to me looking for case and I don't have many for them because the suppliers don't make that many.

LG is another I see a ton of people carrying.

I think that was a mistake for the iPhone X to hit the $1000 barrier. It really hurt the sales I think. I see a number of people with that phone but not nearly the many I do see with the 8 Plus.

I think Samsung loses a lot of sales to LG because they don't have cheaper options available. People don't want to fork out $300 for a phone. They'd rather lease now. These are great alternatives for teenagers on a family plan. At T-mobile, it's either the Galaxy S, Galaxy Note or LG for the most part.
The bottom line is convenience. Sure, people can look elsewhere for phones and activate them on the network. But, how many people actually do this?
The lower models with not compete with their own brand. They will just help more people stay with Samsung. Maybe this is a carrier decision.

 

[eshropshire]

Agreed. Pricing and promotions will most likely make my decision.

Considering how bad the Note 8 and S9 promotions were I don't expect anything great with the Note 9.

 

[TurdRon_FergusonBurgundy]

Considering how bad the Note 8 and S9 promotions were I don't expect anything great with the Note 9.

Samsung has some of the worst promotions out there and the very worst customer service. Especially post sale.

 

[Nakrohtap]

The carriers can run promotions as well. I remember years ago, you could get the phone for a cheaper price if you pre-ordered. Now, they just try to throw extra junk your way. How about, order before 8/24 and get $100 off, whether it's paying in full or lease? I think that might increase pre-order sales.

 

[Morty2264]

Sales suffer because there are so many other options now. Used to be the note series was the only one with larger Amoled screens. Now everyone makes similar large screens. The days of Samsung dominance is over. Its not Samsung's fault though, it's just how the market is now unlike just a few years ago.

You bring up an interesting point. Now that multiple manufacturers (LG, Google, Huawei, and even Apple; who seemed to be notorious for releasing smaller phones in its former years) are making phones with bigger screens, consumers do not have to stick to one specific brand. More choice is great for the smartphone population but not so great for manufacturers.

 

[Almeuit]

I love how the article about the Note line disappearing was linked to the sales of the Note9. Meaning, "If you want to still have Notes to buy in the future, you'd better buy the Note9, even though we know you you don't really need one".
Sorry. Not really feeling it yet. With JOD, I have until late February at least to upgrade. Could be an S10+ in my future. The new JOD down payment will probably affect T-mobile sales as well.

FYI --- https://forums.androidcentral.com/t-mobile/900088-psa-jod-0-down-going-away.html

 

[j_hansen]

Prices over 900 euro is what hurts sales I think, there's a lot less people ready to break the 7/8/900 barrier for a phone now, let alone the even smaller segment willing to drop over 1k, look at iPhone X sales as a very good example and that crowd used to camp outside shops for days in the snow

 

[Nakrohtap]

For T-mobile, their updated JOD will kill sales of the Note9. If the iPhone X is any indication, the Note9 will be like $220-230 down. No thanks. For some reason, they want to stick to the $30 per month threshold.
Putting down over 20% the price of the phone contradicts why JOD was created.
They seem to have no creativity when it comes to payments for their customers. I have plenty of ideas. It's not rocket science. Just don't insult our intelligence and tell us you're listening to your customers.